Children in Seats - OAP's standing...

[Butts]

How far back do you want to go? Separate "Waiting Rooms" for "Ladies"?

You don't have to go back very far at all - If a Train was full I would still offer my seat to a lady of any age.

When I was young this is what I was taught to do and it has remained with me.

 

[4SRKT]

everyone has paid to get to their destination, no mention of having a seat!

The CHANCE of a seat for goodness' sake! Talk about splitting hairs.

 

[newbie babs]

I dont think its a simple as children under 5 giving up their seats.

I don`t drive and I travel on buses or trains every week, guys are worse than parents with children, they sit on the first seat put their bag on the seat near the window and won`t move it for anyone.

Mums with over 5`s pay for them and their children, old age pensioners don`t pay in Sheffield after they get their bus pass and believe me they can be just as ignorant as any passenger. Try working all day and waiting to get on a bus and they shove you out of the way in the queue using their age to get a seat first.

Your age does not mean you get a seat.

 

[Greenback]

Do you think it would also be reasonable for people travelling on discounted tickets to give up seats for full-fare paying standees? At what point does the line be drawn? How would we know who was on what ticket anyway? The ridiculous thing is, people travelling on the cheapest advance tickets are guaranteed a seat, whereas someone maybe paying many times the amount, isn't!

This threa dis not about that, it is about toddlers under the fare paying age taking up seats they are not entitled to.

I agree about toddlers on knees of parents just being common courtesy, but beyond that I can't see that this is a black and white matter. Everyone has paid for a seat, and it is de facto a first come first served system for unreserved seats. It's great that there are people who will give up seats (I do it myself), but it's a matter of choice and I don't think that we've any right to get sniffy about it.[/QUOTE]

We have every right to get sniffy as it is a condition of free travel that under 5's do not have the right to take up seats that could be used by those who have paid.

No, they've paid to travel.

As for children, its easy for have a young baby on your knee, but less simple with a five-year-old (as the OP suggests). No "one size fits all" way to do things...

If they are 5 then they are of fare paying age, and are entitled to a seat. Though I have seen some parents with children who look to be 6 or 7 move them off aseat so adults can use it.

How far back do you want to go? Separate "Waiting Rooms" for "Ladies"?

The problem with giving up seats for ladies is that it is implciit that females are in some way weaker than men and in greater need of a sit down!

It is an accepted fact now that men and women are physically equal, so there is no need to offer a lady a seat!

 

[4SRKT]

You don't have to go back very far at all - If a Train was full I would still offer my seat to a lady of any age.

When I was young this is what I was taught to do and it has remained with me.

When I was young I was taught to use a typewriter but it's been a very long time since I did so. People are clearly taught different things these days. You (and maybe I) may think that's regrettable but there's nothing you can do about it.
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We have every right to get sniffy as it is a condition of free travel that under 5's do not have the right to take up seats that could be used by those who have paid.

I said that we have no right to get sniffy at people beyond the age of 5 taking up a seat. Go back and re-read my post and you'll find that we agree.

 

[tony_mac]

I don't really buy the 'old person may be offended' line - while it is possible, I have certainly never seen anyone take obvious offence and I've been doing it for quite a lot of years! (Acceptance or polite refusal is what actually happens).

If they are offended, then that is their problem and they will soon get over it - it should be happening more often in the future.
I was also taught that it was good manners to give up your seat for an elderly person, and I think it is. If your manners are different, than that's your choice, but 'they might be offended' sounds like a poor excuse. (Apart from fat / possibly pregnant women - that can be a minefield!).

But, with small children, I understand that it is often better (for everyone!) for them to be sat at a table with something to do, rather than standing up and getting in everyone's way or wailing that they don't like standing.

Separate "Waiting Rooms" for "Ladies"?

They still have those. (Although, obviously, women don't have to use them). I don't think that is really relavant, though!

 

[Butts]

This threa dis not about that, it is about toddlers under the fare paying age taking up seats they are not entitled to.

I agree about toddlers on knees of parents just being common courtesy, but beyond that I can't see that this is a black and white matter. Everyone has paid for a seat, and it is de facto a first come first served system for unreserved seats. It's great that there are people who will give up seats (I do it myself), but it's a matter of choice and I don't think that we've any right to get sniffy about it.

We have every right to get sniffy as it is a condition of free travel that under 5's do not have the right to take up seats that could be used by those who have paid.



If they are 5 then they are of fare paying age, and are entitled to a seat. Though I have seen some parents with children who look to be 6 or 7 move them off aseat so adults can use it.



The problem with giving up seats for ladies is that it is implciit that females are in some way weaker than men and in greater need of a sit down!

It is an accepted fact now that men and women are physically equal, so there is no need to offer a lady a seat![/QUOTE]

I believe that if you were on a journey with Mrs Greenback and the situation arose that a lady standing near you had no seat that you would offer yours to her.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

It can also be impossible to tell when a 'normal' person needs a seat - what if a relatively healthy looking 20-something male has spinal problems or problems with standing for prolonged periods of time?

I have to say that putting an under 5 on your lap can be quite a job for an extended period of time - some kids can be a struggle to hold for ten seconds, never mind half an hour!

 

[starrymarkb]

Mums with over 5's pay for them and their children, old age pensioners don't pay in Sheffield after they get their bus pass and believe me they can be just as ignorant as any passenger. Try working all day and waiting to get on a bus and they shove you out of the way in the queue using their age to get a seat first.

I've noticed that old people seem to be worst for trying to push across queues in poundland, often they will walk up between the queues and then try and push into whichever is moving the faster...

I also had one demand that I gave up my seat by the window as she had an aisle seat and wanted to look out the window.

 

[richw]

It is an accepted fact now that men and women are physically equal, so there is no need to offer a lady a seat!

I think its probably sexual discrimanation in this politically correct day and age!
anyway i'm 23 and been brought up to give a seat to a lady, hold a door etc,

 

[Greenback]

I don't really buy the 'old person may be offended' line - while it is possible, I have certainly never seen anyone take obvious offence and I've been doing it for quite a lot of years! (Acceptance or polite refusal is what actually happens).

If they are offended, then that is their problem and they will soon get over it - it should be happening more often in the future.

But, with small children, I understand that it is often better (for everyone!) for them to be sat at a table with something to do, rather than standing up and getting in everyone's way or wailing that they don't like standing.


They still have those. (Although, obviously, women don't have to use them).

I have seen it, and quite recently! An elederly couple were standing in a packed West Wales train. A young girl got up and offered her seat tot he woman, who said she wa sOk thank you. After the girl had gone again, the elderly lady turned to her partner and asked if she looked so decrepit that she needed to sit down! (I actually thought she did, but there we are!).

Anyway, it turned out that they had bicycles with them(!) and were returnign to pembroke after runnign a youth hostel on the South Caost for a couple of months. Theyw ere in fact extremely active, so I can udnerstand why the woman was offended!

It just goes to show that people who politely refuse may do so out of good manners, and still be upset inside that they appear derelict to younger people!

 

[Butts]

I think its probably sexual discrimanation in this politically correct day and age!
anyway i'm 23 and been brought up to give a seat to a lady, hold a door etc,

Whats going on here - I didnt post that Greenback did

 

[Greenback]

I did indeed, and it was a little bit tongue in cheek, although it is also true - females wanted equality, it would not be right to make exceptions on the grounds of gender alone!

 

[4SRKT]

Whats going on here - I didnt post that Greenback did

You cocked up the quote formatting in post 38!

 

[richw]

Whats going on here - I didnt post that Greenback did

You used greenbacks quote, but the

was broken so didnt quote in your post but looks as you wrote it!

 

[Butts]

You cocked up the quote formatting in post 38!

I am a bit of a tool with respect to computers ( and most other things before anyone chips in )

 

[HST Power]

I am a bit of a tool with respect to computers ( and most other things before anyone chips in )

You've got to make sure the quote marks have brackets, otherwise it gets all messed up. See below.


QUOTE=Butts;787654]I am a bit of a tool with respect to computers ( and most other things before anyone chips in )[/QUOTE]

The first quote needs a bracket as has been highlighted in bold

 

[Butts]

You used greenbacks quote, but the

was broken so didnt quote in your post but looks as you wrote it!

I could be accused of impersonating a Welsh Toad -albeit a friendly and intelligent one

 

[richw]

You used greenbacks quote, but the

I could be accused of impersonating a Welsh Toad -albeit a friendly and intelligent one

indeed, that post has gone wrong somewhere too

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I would give my seat up to an elderly person, or someone with obvious difficulty. If I am in a priority seat then I will give it up if asked, as it IS their right to sit there!

However, at the moment, I won't, as I'm not particularly mobile at the moment.

 

[Butts]

I would give my seat up to an elderly person, or someone with obvious difficulty. If I am in a priority seat then I will give it up if asked, as it IS their right to sit there!

However, at the moment, I won't, as I'm not particularly mobile at the moment.

Thats a fair comment - if able would you give your seat up for a lady ?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

How far back do you want to go? Separate "Waiting Rooms" for "Ladies"?

I am glad you mentioned this as Bolton station, despite its new makeover, still has its original Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway etched glass windows showing how demarkation was viewed in Victorian days.

 

[4SRKT]

I'm not particularly mobile at the moment.

Oh how I wish you'd written this on Friday evening so I could have asked if you were on an EC train somewhere!! Oh, the missed opportunity!

 

[chris89]

Children in seats are not really a massive problem as most of them won't be able to stay on their parents laps for that long.

Bigger problem i think is people sitting in one seat or the other, and placing their bags on the other and refusing to move them, especially if it is busy.

Also what Newbie Babs said is quite true in my area. Waiting for the 890 to Wolverhampton and this old guy tapped me on the shoulder a few times and rudely told me 'theirs a queue' which i was in, the person in front said i was in it, but this person wouldn't have any of it. Just so they could secure a seat.

For me if i am kindly asked i will move and let people take my seat, if i am rudely spoken to i will not.

 

[Bungle73]

I'd never even consider giving up my seat for someone just because they are female; why should I? I don't hold doors open for them either - I will hold the door open for ANYONE if they happen to be coming through close behind me. Sometimes they don't even thank me, which really ****es me off!

I often put my bag on the seat next to me, but if someone wants to sit down I will move it.

 

[Butts]

I am glad you mentioned this as Bolton station, despite its new makeover, still has its original Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway etched glass windows showing how demarkation was viewed in Victorian days.

It is my contention that whatever feminists may espouse most ladies still like to have seats offered to them and doors opened or help with their luggage.

Just as well we don't have many female members....

 

[MidnightFlyer]

It is my contention that whatever feminists may espouse most ladies still like to have seats offered to them and doors opened or help with their luggage.

Just as well we don't have many female members....

They want equality, they can have it, they just shouldn't expect any special treatment such as this when they do have it!

 

[chris89]

I'd never even consider giving up my seat for someone just because they are female; why should I? I don't hold doors open for them either - I will hold the door open for ANYONE if they happen to be coming through close behind me. Sometimes they don't even thank me, which really ****es me off!

I often put my bag on the seat next to me, but if someone wants to sit down I will move it.

I do the eaxct same things for doors if im lucky i get about 3 or 4 thank you's if that honestly which is incredibly annoying. I know on my bus and the Wolvo' ones i can put my bag on the seat next to me, but if i spot it is getting busy or a lot at the stop we are arriving at i will move my bag to beneath my feet.

 

[Butts]

I'd never even consider giving up my seat for someone just because they are female; why should I? I don't hold doors open for them either - I will hold the door open for ANYONE if they happen to be coming through close behind me. Sometimes they don't even thank me, which really ****es me off!

I often put my bag on the seat next to me, but if someone wants to sit down I will move it.

Bungle my "chain smoking kitten" is going to have to come and teach that black and white moggie of yours some manners
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They want equality, they can have it, they just shouldn't expect any special treatment such as this when they do have it!

They want it both ways ....

 

[Bungle73]

Bungle my "chain smoking kitten" is going to have to come and teach that black and white moggie of yours some manners
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They want it both ways ....

Oooh my poor pussy.