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So as many posts, I have been caught using my mum’s 60+ oyster card for free travel. I know it was wrong, I was stupid and honestly I just needed free travel to commute to my part time job for the time being to build up some money. I will save time by writing the generic stuff.

For my situation:
I will obviously plead guilty and admit to the charges.
I have been doing this for about two months.
I got caught at the station.

They confiscated the card and said TFL will investigate whether or not my mum can renew her card and also I will recieve a letter regarding the next steps.

Please advise on what to do as I have seen horror stories about imprisonment threats, etc. Do I actually need a solicitor? It is also near Christmas holiday time so will there be a delay?
 
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Hi, welcome to the forum.

I expect the specialists will be here a bit later but I'll try to give you information.

You won't be going to prison so don't worry about that. TfL do take Freedom pass misuse seriously though and usually go to court over this. If you look at other Freedom pass threads here, they will write to you and ask for your version of the story. They seem to do this quite quickly but you're right about Christmas slowing things down.

Once the experts see the letter they will let you know if a solicitor can help but I don't think you need one just yet.

I hope that helps a bit.
 

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So as many posts, I have been caught using my mum’s 60+ oyster card for free travel. I know it was wrong, I was stupid and honestly I just needed free travel to commute to my part time job for the time being to build up some money. I will save time by writing the generic stuff.

For my situation:
I will obviously plead guilty and admit to the charges.
I have been doing this for about two months.
I got caught at the station.

They confiscated the card and said TFL will investigate whether or not my mum can renew her card and also I will recieve a letter regarding the next steps.

Please advise on what to do as I have seen horror stories about imprisonment threats, etc. Do I actually need a solicitor? It is also near Christmas holiday time so will there be a delay?
Hi,

The letter should be sent out reasonably quickly, as Transport for London are very efficient with dealing with these cases. However, Christmas and New Year may affect when it is sent out, or received by yourself.

As mentioned by others, you won't go to prison. If it goes to court, you will get a fine, victim surcharge, court costs and compensation which you have to pay. Note that you could use a solicitor to try and persuade TfL to give you a warning, instead of a prosecution - however a solicitors costs would have to be paid regardless of the outcome.

Here's some more information usually posted by @Hadders who is well versed on giving help in these situations:

Transport for London take misuse of Freedom Passes very seriously and a prosecution under the TfL Bylaws is the usual outcome.

What happens next is TfL will send you a Verification Letter, normally within a couple of weeks. The letter will ask you to confirm or deny the incident and ask you to give any mitigating circumstances which you would like them to take into account when deciding how to proceed.

I suggest you mention the following in your reply:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and TfL's administrative costs in dealing with the matter

TfL do not offer out of court settlements although in some very limited circumstances they have been known to issue a final warning instead of prosecution. Prosecutions are normally done through what is called a Single Justice Procedure Notice. This means that if you plead guilty it is not necessary to attend court in person (unless you choose to do), you simply return the form to the court with any mitigation you want them to take into account and they will write to you with the details of the fine you have to pay.
 

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Hi,

The letter should be sent out reasonably quickly, as Transport for London are very efficient with dealing with these cases. However, Christmas and New Year may affect when it is sent out, or received by yourself.

As mentioned by others, you won't go to prison. If it goes to court, you will get a fine, victim surcharge, court costs and compensation which you have to pay. Note that you could use a solicitor to try and persuade TfL to give you a warning, instead of a prosecution - however a solicitors costs would have to be paid regardless of the outcome.

Here's some more information usually posted by @Hadders who is well versed on giving help in these situations:
I’ve seen this before where ‘if you choose to plead guilty you won’t go to court’ basically, but i also saw another forum on here in moreorless the same situation as me where they had to go to court even though they admitted to the charges.

I know what I did was wrong, but I fear in a court setting i would just freeze
 

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Hi, welcome to the forum.

I expect the specialists will be here a bit later but I'll try to give you information.

You won't be going to prison so don't worry about that. TfL do take Freedom pass misuse seriously though and usually go to court over this. If you look at other Freedom pass threads here, they will write to you and ask for your version of the story. They seem to do this quite quickly but you're right about Christmas slowing things down.

Once the experts see the letter they will let you know if a solicitor can help but I don't think you need one just yet.

I hope that helps a bit.
The first sentence is a huge relief and it is what i mostly see thank you!

I am trying to avoid court as much as possible because a) the further court costs but also b) i will definitely freeze when in court and that is what i am most worried about
 

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To add to what other posters have put:

1 TfL normally take those who misuse Freedom Passes to court.
2. This forum has seen a small number of cases where TfL has issued a warning instead. Why a warning has been given is by no means clear but those cases seem to have been where the user was not aware that use by them of the pass was not permitted.
3. Warnings seem to be more likely to be given where the person misusing the pass has employed a solicitor to explain the background circumstances to the misuse.
4. Using a solicitor by no means guarantees a favourable outcome.The cost of a solicitor ranges from £500 - £800 approximately.
5. IMHO it is very unlikely that you could write a response to TfL which would convince them to issue you a warning rather than going to court.
 

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Aren't these cases often (or usually?) dealt with by TfL using the SJPN process where it is not actually necessary 'to go to court' in person if you plead guilty. Part of going to court in person seems to be one of the reasons the OP does not want to be prosecuted / 'taken to court', which as @Titfield says is frankly fairly unlikely to happen (ie it is likely the OP will be prosecuted for what they have done wrong).

If / when the OP received papers from the court they can ask here what they then have to do with them and how to respond.
 

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Aren't these cases often (or usually?) dealt with by TfL using the SJPN process where it is not actually necessary 'to go to court' in person if you plead guilty.
That's correct. So you will be prosecuted but not usually need to attend.
 

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thank you so much guys it’s really reassuring to read these messages!!

i understand completely what i did was wrong and this was never going to be a permanent thing as i just needed to earn some money first from my part time job. stupid, i know.

i will definitely be pleading guilty as there is no point denying.

my one fear was seeing a post on a different website saying they’re a graduate, same story, pleaded guilty but was still told to go to court.

court for me, as for most people, is just a scary concept as i have never been put in this situation (and i will obviously try to never be in this situation again). i am scared i will accidentally say the wrong thing somehow
 

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thank you so much guys it’s really reassuring to read these messages!!

i understand completely what i did was wrong and this was never going to be a permanent thing as i just needed to earn some money first from my part time job. stupid, i know.

i will definitely be pleading guilty as there is no point denying.

my one fear was seeing a post on a different website saying they’re a graduate, same story, pleaded guilty but was still told to go to court.

court for me, as for most people, is just a scary concept as i have never been put in this situation (and i will obviously try to never be in this situation again). i am scared i will accidentally say the wrong thing somehow
If the prosecution asks you if you'd like other offences taken into consideration you will usually need to attend.
 

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update: i have recieved the first letter.

i assume if i do just say im guilty (which i will) and i will be prosecuted, fined and no court?
 

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update: i have recieved the first letter.

i assume if i do just say im guilty (which i will) and i will be prosecuted, fined and no court?
Not yet, but it's very likely, from previous posts about Freedom Pass abuse, it will come after you reply. They may also issue you a final warning, but it's extremely rare.

Please look at @Hadders posts for the correct way to respond
 

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update: i have recieved the first letter.

i assume if i do just say im guilty (which i will) and i will be prosecuted, fined and no court?
This is the Verification Letter that is often mentioned on here, and is your opportunity to tell TfL your version of events, give them any mitigating circumstances, ask them nicely for a warning instead of a prosecution, etc. Basically this is your chance to get the matter settled without court action (though with TfL you'd need a solicitor to stand a chance of getting a warning instead of a prosecution).

You don't need to enter a plea in response to this letter. That will come if TfL decide to progress to an SJPN, although as others have stated if it is dealt with via the SJPN then you won't need to appear in court in person (unless you choose to).
 

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Welcome to the forum!

Transport for London take misuse of 60+ Oyster Cards very seriously and a prosecution under the TfL Bylaws is the usual outcome.

TfL have sent you a Verification Letter which asks you to confirm or deny the incident and ask you to give any mitigating circumstances which you would like them to take into account when deciding how to proceed.

I suggest you mention the following in your reply:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and TfL's administrative costs in dealing with the matter

TfL generally do not offer out of court settlements although in some very limited circumstances they have been known to issue a final warning instead of prosecution. Prosecutions are normally done through what is called a Single Justice Procedure Notice. This means that if you plead guilty it is not necessary to attend court in person (unless you choose to do), you simply return the form to the court with any mitigation you want them to take into account and they will write to you with the details of the fine you have to pay.

If you are prosecuted and plead guilty (or are found guilty by the court) then you will have to pay:

- A fine based on your income, normally discounted by a third if you plead guilty at the earliest opportunity
- A surcharge of 40% of the value of the fine
- A contribution towards TfL's costs
- Compensation for the fares avoided

If you are found guilty then this is a criminal conviction. If you are prosecuted under the TfL Bylaws (which is what normally happens) then the conviction isn't normally recorded on the Police National Computer and won't normally appear on Basic DBS checks although we always advise people to be honest when asked if they have a conviction.

Here's a link to TfL's Revenue Enforcement & Prosecutions Policy which you might find worth reading:

 

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Hi guys,

since receiving the letter, i have written a draft. a general jist is i am sorry, what i done to rectify my behaviour (use the right card) and i am happy to pay fines.

is there more i should put? i dont want to put more in case they ask for evidence in court
 

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Hi guys,

since receiving the letter, i have written a draft. a general jist is i am sorry, what i done to rectify my behaviour (use the right card) and i am happy to pay fines.

is there more i should put? i dont want to put more in case they ask for evidence in court
Sadly unlikely to work as @Hadders says TfL policy is to always prosecute for these offences unless there is a very very compelling reason not to ( saying it was a mistake / didn’t have the necessary funds is most unlikely to be considered to be a sufficient compelling reason)
 

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Hi guys,

since receiving the letter, i have written a draft. a general jist is i am sorry, what i done to rectify my behaviour (use the right card) and i am happy to pay fines.

is there more i should put? i dont want to put more in case they ask for evidence in court
If you quote your letter then we will be able to provide advice. That said, as other members have already advised, TfL take freedom pass abuse extremely seriously and a prosecution is almost a certain outcome.
 

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Just spoke with a solicitor. The christmas period makes things difficult so I may ask for an extension of time (which apparently they are likely to grant). From his judgement, there is 60% of going to court. He is well knowledge in tfl as this is the main cases he deals with. He does cost £1k+. I’m just thinking if it is worth spending the money on him or if i should write my own letter if there really is a 60% of going to court
 

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Just spoke with a solicitor. The christmas period makes things difficult so I may ask for an extension of time (which apparently they are likely to grant). From his judgement, there is 60% of going to court. He is well knowledge in tfl as this is the main cases he deals with. He does cost £1k+. I’m just thinking if it is worth spending the money on him or if i should write my own letter if there really is a 60% of going to court
It really depends on how much the chances of avoiding a criminal record matters to you.

As something of an oversimplification*
- if you don't employ a solicitor this will go to court, you will be convicted and you will have a criminal record. You will incur the fine, court costs and compensation to TfL.
- if you do employ a solicitor it might not go to court, but you will have to pay your solicitor's bill. If the solicitor cannot keep it out of court, I would expect you to be convicted and you will have a criminal record and have to pay the fine, court costs and TfL's compensation as well as your solicitor's bill.

So the first thing to note is that there doesn't seem to be any way out of this without having to pay something to someone. And the next is that using a solicitor is not guaranteed to keep it out of court.

But the next thing to ask is how much damage would a criminal record do to your life? The quick answer may well be 'not much'. If you can avoid having a criminal record that's obviously a good thing, but you need to know that there is the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. That Act says that for most purposes you don't have to tell anyone about a conviction after a certain length of time - and I think that I am right to say that for fare dodging you don't have to mention it after a year (and sometimes less).

So after a year, most of the time you won't have to say that you were convicted of fare dodging. There are some exceptions - a lot of them are around jobs when you're in a position of trust, which includes things like being an accountants or a lawyer or working in banking, and because the Act doesn't apply abroad it may mean that you have to go to the American Embassy or Australian High Commission if you want a visa to go to those countries. But even for those exceptions (or in the year after being convicted) you might well find that it's embarrassing to have to admit that you were convicted in court, but there's no other consequence.

In short, for most people getting a criminal record for fare dodging is expensive - but it needn't be life changing. So before deciding to pay a lawyer, think hard about what you do in your life and what you will want to do: it might be that getting a criminal record won't wreck your life after all.


*While we have seen some cases where a final warning was issued, I think these were all cases where a solicitor was used. But of course it can't be clear of the use of a solicitor was the decisive fact. But I am taking this to be the case to try to give clear advice - and as I go on to say, avoiding a criminal record may not be absolutely essential for the OP, so this simplification doesn't necessarily destroy the logic I am following.
 

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Only you can decide whether it's worthwhile using a solicitor. A solicitor cannot change what has happened but they might be able to present your mitigation in a better way than you feel able to do yourself. As noted above you will need to pay their fee regardless of whether they manage to keep the case out of court.

I suggest reading section 8 of TfL's Revenue Enforecement & Prosecutions Policy I linked to in my previous post. Section 8.3 deals with factors TfL are likely regard against prosecution, and if you want to keep this out of court you need to think about how you can substantiate a response based around those points.
 

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i have a solicitor and i have been asked to do character references.
does anyone know if tfl will actually call these character references to verify?

my character references are true, but my worry is that because the case can take a couple months, what if my people forget what they wrote or just do not pick up the phone if they were to check?
 

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i have a solicitor and i have been asked to do character references.
does anyone know if tfl will actually call these character references to verify?
They probably will not give a toss, to be quite honest. TfL have no interest in your character or whether you choose not to commit other crimes apart from fiddling your fares, to be perfectly blunt. The criteria for considering prosecution is laid out in their prosecution policy.
 

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Any issues that TfL has will be raised via your solicitor. (That's the service you are paying for!)

At this stage it's a paper exercise - their written statements (which they will have declared to be truthful) are what matters and they should not get phoned up and quizzed about them. (And if this worries you, simply tell them that if they are called they should simply say that the enquiry must be handled via your solicitor, whose details they will already have, and hang up.)
 

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thank you so far for everyones input!
just wanted to say that I've requested for an extension of the deadline as it is Christmas holidays, bank holidays, etc. the new deadline should be january 6th
 

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i have a solicitor and i have been asked to do character references.
does anyone know if tfl will actually call these character references to verify?

my character references are true, but my worry is that because the case can take a couple months, what if my people forget what they wrote or just do not pick up the phone if they were to check?
I work in an industry where regulated individuals are subject to the fit and proper person test.

When individuals appeal against a decision by the regulator they often provide references as to their good character as part of their grounds of appeal.

Whilst these references are taken into account, they have to be weighed against the evidence that they are not a fit and proper person. In the industry I work in, we do not seek confirmation / verification that the references are true. I would also add that the law of diminishing returns apply and providing a whole sheaf of references would add very little to what a small number of high quality referees says about the character of an individual.
 
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