Catch them before they're gone

[43094]

Yes, apologies I somehow missed that from my post! Post now amended

 

[The exile]

A post today on the RDC Deutschland Facebook page states this Sunday (2 November) will be the last ever planned use of through traffic to Dagebull, off the DB service to Westerland, with the DMU hauling the IC coaches and a 4-wheeled wagon.

Shame (though operationally understandable) that all these quirky little workings are disappearing one by one.

 

[43096]

Shame (though operationally understandable) that all these quirky little workings are disappearing one by one.

It is persumably being primarily driven by the inrtoduction of the ICE-L, which are fixed formation sets, unlike an IC1 set.

 

[AdamWW]

It is persumably being primarily driven by the inrtoduction of the ICE-L, which are fixed formation sets, unlike an IC1 set.

Or indeed "Non traction multiple units"

 

[bluegoblin7]

I have genuinely by accident ended up on the last IC1 from Amsterdam this evening. A very jovial and friendly atmosphere and something being celebrated by all on board at each stop. Window labels with the stock depicted being available for purchase were also a nice touch.

Anyway, I'm on to Hannover, towards the very front - if anyone else is on board do say Hi! If every 'Last' was as civilised as this I'd be tempted to do more...

 

[186m40ch]

Hi- can anyone tell me which lines I will be able to find Czech railbuses on or any diesel loco hauled or old traction in Czechia. Thank you.

 

[The exile]

Hi- can anyone tell me which lines I will be able to find Czech railbuses on or any diesel loco hauled or old traction in Czechia. Thank you.

A bit laborious but a trawl through www.vagonweb.cz will reveal some gems!

 

[NCT]

Hi- can anyone tell me which lines I will be able to find Czech railbuses on or any diesel loco hauled or old traction in Czechia. Thank you.

Best bet is probably trawling through Vagonweb

vagonWEB » Řazení vlaků » 2025 » ČD Os

www.vagonweb.cz

Last time I had some decent railbus action was Opava - Krnov - Bruntal, then diesel hauled carriages Bruntal - Olomouc.

I'd try
1) Openrailwaymaps to identify unelectrified routes with possible railbus / diesel haul services
2) Run journey planner enquires on int.bahn.de
3) Check allocations on Wagonweb

 

[nwales58]

Best bet is probably trawling through Vagonweb …

and vagonweb will even show trains by coach or unit type. Either hack a vuz= query parameter yourself or on a train formation click on a magnifying glass.

 

[The exile]

Best bet is probably trawling through Vagonweb

vagonWEB » Řazení vlaků » 2025 » ČD Os

www.vagonweb.cz

Last time I had some decent railbus action was Opava - Krnov - Bruntal, then diesel hauled carriages Bruntal - Olomouc.

I'd try
1) Openrailwaymaps to identify unelectrified routes with possible railbus / diesel haul services
2) Run journey planner enquires on int.bahn.de
3) Check allocations on Wagonweb

Surprisingly the Central Bohemia region (the doughnut around Prague) has been quite tardy in replacing its diesel units. Certainly if you consider 814s as old there’s plenty of choice and quite a few lines still “boasting” the unrebuilt versions. A couple of months ago there were some 471 replacement loco workings to Milovice (including old DD stock).

 

[D7666]

Hi- can anyone tell me which lines I will be able to find Czech railbuses on or any diesel loco hauled or old traction in Czechia. Thank you.

Sledování nasazení vozidel

Sledování oběhů lokomotiv

www.55p.cz

All known diagrams there.

I'll have to leave you to self learn the navigation, apart from pointing out the obvious that you need to know the class numbers (which are in red); click leads you to the "aktuální nasazení" tab which is a month by month record of actual numbers and the second tab "přehled výkonů" brings up the actual diagrams.

Bear in mind upcoming timetable change in December - the site is usually speedy in getting the new one out - often in or even before the first week.

 

[43096]

Sledování nasazení vozidel

Sledování oběhů lokomotiv

www.55p.cz

All known diagrams there.

I'll have to leave you to self learn the navigation, apart from pointing out the obvious that you need to know the class numbers (which are in red); click leads you to the "aktuální nasazení" tab which is a month by month record of actual numbers and the second tab "přehled výkonů" brings up the actual diagrams.

Bear in mind upcoming timetable change in December - the site is usually speedy in getting the new one out - often in or even before the first week.

There is the ability to get at least a partial English translation: click on “Nastavení” (“Settings”) then the UK flag.

 

[AY1975]

Yes they are currently IC1 stock with Class 101 electric locos under the wires.

How soon is IC1 stock planned to finish on the Gera IC services, and (assuming that the service will survive past that date) what stock is planned to replace it? ICE-L, IC2, or what?

 

[duesselmartin]

What about the Obstetdorf to Dortmund IC, IC2012/IC2013. Hoping to catch that in March so would be interested if it's still IC1 as vagonWEB still shows it as that now.

The Obersdorf IC service is temporarly axed until ICE L comes in. Berchtesgaden is pernamently axed.

 

[YorkshireBear]

The Obersdorf IC service is temporarly axed until ICE L comes in. Berchtesgaden is pernamently axed.

Is that a recent thing? It is shown in the planners for next March.

 

[XAM2175]

It is persumably being primarily driven by the inrtoduction of the ICE-L, which are fixed formation sets, unlike an IC1 set.

Yes. It's also a contributing factor to the discontinuation of the IC 2082-2085 (Hamburg - Augsburg - Berchtesgaden/Oberstdorf) pairs.

How soon is IC1 stock planned to finish on the Gera IC services, and (assuming that the service will survive past that date) what stock is planned to replace it? ICE-L, IC2, or what?

This is currently down as 20 Sep 2026, which will make it the last use of IC1 stock with DB. I can't speak with any confidence on the replacement other than that I recall hearing something about ICE-T and IC2.

The Obersdorf IC service is temporarly axed until ICE L comes in. Berchtesgaden is pernamently axed.

Is that a recent thing? It is shown in the planners for next March.

IC 2012/2013 (Dortmund - Oberstdoft) has been suspended south of Stuttgart for a few sizeable chunks of the last few months but is back running again. I've seen conflicting information on when the changeover to ICE-L is meant to occur - some sources say the start of June, others a week into July.

The Westerland services are meant to go over to ICE-L on 01 May, though the IC 2374/2375 Stuttgart - Westerland pair is being cut south of Hamburg as of 14 Dec.

The IC1 shuttles between Hamburg and Binz also end on 30 Apr.

Also, having seen the mention of SBB's panorama wagons in the first post - I'm told that there are tentative plans to send three of them on the last EC 8 (Basel - Hamburg) on 12 Dec and thus also the last EC 7 heading south the next day.

 

[SeanG]

Also, having seen the mention of SBB's panorama wagons in the first post - I'm told that there are tentative plans to send three of them on the last EC 8 (Basel - Hamburg) on 12 Dec and thus also the last EC 7 heading south the next day.

Would this be using additional ones that are from the Gotthard sets?
After the discontinuation of the German ECs, am I right in thinking that only 2x Transalpin and 2x Graz - Przemysl are the only regular uses of the panoramawagons?

 

[nwales58]

After the discontinuation of the German ECs, am I right in thinking that only 2x Transalpin and 2x Graz - Przemysl are the only regular uses of the panoramawagons?

Only Transalpin, according to vagonweb.

EC106 Graz-Przemysl is replaced by EC206 Graz-Krakow using CD stock plus 2 ÖBB 2nd coaches Graz-Wroclaw. No more SBB stock running in Poland.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 18 Nov 2025 ==

Also MAV stock will no longer run to Berlin/Hamburg. EC172/3 replaced by CD ComfortJets 174/5.

 

[SeanG]

Only Transalpin, according to vagonweb.

EC106 Graz-Przemysl is replaced by EC206 Graz-Krakow using CD stock plus 2 ÖBB 2nd coaches Graz-Wroclaw. No more SBB stock running in Poland.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 18 Nov 2025 ==

Also MAV stock will no longer run to Berlin/Hamburg. EC172/3 replaced by CD ComfortJets 174/5.

That makes sense. I did always wonder why the Transalpine stock was sent up to Poland the next day.

 

[30907]

That makes sense. I did always wonder why the Transalpine stock was sent up to Poland the next day.

OeBB stock shortage plus SBB panorama surplus.

ISTR the Transalpin set will work Graz-Wien and return next morning from Dec..

 

[SeanG]

Excellent that will be good to have panoramawagen over the Semmering Pass

 

[peteb]

IC 2012/2013 (Dortmund - Oberstdoft) has been suspended south of Stuttgart for a few sizeable chunks of the last few months but is back running again. I've seen conflicting information on when the changeover to ICE-L is meant to occur - some sources say the start of June, others a week into July.

I'm searching DB website but cannot find this running?

 

[Segedunum]

Slightly further afield, there seems to be a single Class 81 in use at a time in Malaysia at the moment. If it looks familiar, that's because it was designed by Hunslet and is based on our Class 323s! Sadly they don't share the entertaining motor sounds of the British fleet.

They've been withdrawn from service several times already, but made a comeback recently and one comes out to play on the 18:45 KL Sentral to Tanjung Malim on weekdays at the moment. It'll have a morning working into Kuala Lumpur as well, though I'm unsure which that is.

Fares are daft cheap - up to about £1 if you want to go the whole way to Tanjung Malim - TVMs with card payment available, or you can tap a bank card/Touch-n-Go card on the gate.

It was substituted on one night by a Series 83 (also an older unit and rather rare in Kuala Lumpur) - so might require a couple of attempts. The majority of KTM Komuter services in Kuala Lumpur are in the hands of CRRC-built Class 92s (usually complete with shattered windows).

 

[Gag Halfrunt]

The Class 81s originally had GTO-VVVF propulsion equipment from Dutch manufacturer Holec, whose electrical equipemnt business was later acquired by Alstom. The surviving Class 81 units (only three, apparently) were refurbished in 2018 by South Korean company Woojin Industrial Systems and fitted with Woojin IGBT-VVVF propulsion packages.

KTM Class 81 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Pakenhamtrain]

Comeng and Siemens trains are approaching the end of thier time on the Sunbury Line in Melbourne.

The Metro Tunnel runs its full timetable with full HCMT usage from Feb 1.

 

[LUYMun]

The Westerland services are meant to go over to ICE-L on 01 May, though the IC 2374/2375 Stuttgart - Westerland pair is being cut south of Hamburg as of 14 Dec.

The IC1 shuttles between Hamburg and Binz also end on 30 Apr.

Koln-Westerland Intercity service looks to also be reduced, with one through daily service in each direction per day during the winter and spring season.

Staying with Germany, loco-hauled stock are currently operating the RE200 between Ulm and Wendlingen, running on the high speed line opened back in 2022, utilising Siemens Vectrons top-and-tailing former IC1 coaching stock until the arrival of new Alstom Coradia Stream HCs alongside the integration of the RE200 into the RE1 upon completion of Stuttgart 21.

TRI loco-hauled stock have also been covering Regional services on behalf of Arverio on the RE90 route between Stuttgart and Nuremburg, and this will cease at the December timetable change. TRI seems to, however, continue running on the MEX13 service between Aalen and Schorndorf. continue running, as pointed out by posters below.

https://www.arverio-bw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/content/unterwegs/fahrplaene/ABW_24_StrFpl_RE90_2412_web.pdf

 

[popeter45]

looks like IC's fully go from Westerland May 1st, with ICE-L's taking over from then on
the Loco change still happens at Itzehoe but from one Vectron (193 for 230km/h) to another (248.5 bi mode but limited to 160km/h)

 

[mountainpixel]

TRI loco-hauled stock have also been covering Regional services on behalf of Arverio on the RE90 route between Stuttgart and Nuremburg, and this will cease at the December timetable change. TRI seems to, however, continue running on the MEX13 service between Aalen and Schorndorf.

TRI is going to disappear on the MEX13 and RE8, but not on the RE90 to Nuremberg.

 

[stadler]

Slightly further afield, there seems to be a single Class 81 in use at a time in Malaysia at the moment. If it looks familiar, that's because it was designed by Hunslet and is based on our Class 323s! Sadly they don't share the entertaining motor sounds of the British fleet.

They've been withdrawn from service several times already, but made a comeback recently and one comes out to play on the 18:45 KL Sentral to Tanjung Malim on weekdays at the moment. It'll have a morning working into Kuala Lumpur as well, though I'm unsure which that is.

Fares are daft cheap - up to about £1 if you want to go the whole way to Tanjung Malim - TVMs with card payment available, or you can tap a bank card/Touch-n-Go card on the gate.

It was substituted on one night by a Series 83 (also an older unit and rather rare in Kuala Lumpur) - so might require a couple of attempts. The majority of KTM Komuter services in Kuala Lumpur are in the hands of CRRC-built Class 92s (usually complete with shattered windows).

The Class 81s originally had GTO-VVVF propulsion equipment from Dutch manufacturer Holec, whose electrical equipemnt business was later acquired by Alstom. The surviving Class 81 units (only three, apparently) were refurbished in 2018 by South Korean company Woojin Industrial Systems and fitted with Woojin IGBT-VVVF propulsion packages.

KTM Class 81 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Indeed they used to sound identical to our Class 323 trains as can be heard in these old videos.

I wonder if Malaysia has much railway preservation interest as it would be nice to see a KTM Class 81 preserved when they finally do get withdrawn.

Malaysia also has electric versions of the Irish Rail Class 22000 trains. They were built by Hyundai Rotem and are almost identical except for being electric instead of diesel. I think they are called KTM Class 91 trains.

 

[43096]

The Class 81s originally had GTO-VVVF propulsion equipment from Dutch manufacturer Holec, whose electrical equipemnt business was later acquired by Alstom. The surviving Class 81 units (only three, apparently) were refurbished in 2018 by South Korean company Woojin Industrial Systems and fitted with Woojin IGBT-VVVF propulsion packages.

The 323s were similarly re-engineered to use new Alstom IGBT traction packages, but retained the original switching strategy to make re-acceptance easier. Consequently they sound almost identical to how they did before conversion.