Carriage cab view

[Gmac]

Reckon it would rather boring and nothing but fields and sheep

 

[northernrail]

The EWS Managers Train has camera's in the DVT and 67 wich can be watched in the coaches.
most people will never see that tho

 

[Striker]

I'm in Tokyo at the moment and the Keisei Skyliner Express train from Narita to Ueno had a TV in the carriage over the doors to the carriage and occassionally showed the view from the cab via a camera. Also, I rode on the Yamamote line behind the driver. There was a big glass window which allowed you to see everything. Cracking stuff.

 

[jopsuk]

I've heard tale that the Japanese drivers have to acknowledge every signal in a way that would be clear to anyone sitting behind them, just in case there's management/an inspector sitting behind them I'd got the impression the main reason forward-views dissapeared from UK MUs was drivers wanting a bit of privacy- something that they'd had when it was all locos.

 

[me123]

I'm in Tokyo at the moment and the Keisei Skyliner Express train from Narita to Ueno had a TV in the carriage over the doors to the carriage and occassionally showed the view from the cab via a camera. Also, I rode on the Yamamote line behind the driver. There was a big glass window which allowed you to see everything. Cracking stuff.

Famously, the 303s had this. I wish I'd been able to see this at some point.

Sadly, they were replaced with a slightly less interesting view:

 

[Freakofnature]

Presumably EC could make it available on their WiFi portal though, with the appropriate delay. Then people could access it on their laptop, phone or ipod etc.

Their wifi (last time I used it at least) is awful though.


Streaming a constant video of 100+mph running would surely push the wifi to the max??

 

[Striker]

I've heard tale that the Japanese drivers have to acknowledge every signal in a way that would be clear to anyone sitting behind them, just in case there's management/an inspector sitting behind them.

That would account for the driver today giving hand signals apparently for his own amusement. Now all is explained.


The statistic I found most astounding about the Yamanote line is the fact that it carries more passengers per day than the whole of the London Underground network.

An estimated 3.5 million passengers ride every day on Tokyo's Yamanote Line, with its 29 stations. For comparison, the New York City Subway carries 5.08 million passengers per day on 26 lines serving 468 stations[2] and the London Underground carries 2.7 million passengers per day on 12 lines serving 275 stations.

 

[notadriver]

Are you on holidays Striker? I wouldn't like to be a train driver in Japan. They are very strict in terms of late running and you could be demoted if you run late.

Many suburban trains in the America have a half cab arrangement like the Tyne & Wear metro. Should all MU trains be like this?

 

[Striker]

Are you on holidays Striker?

Yes I am. The crazy city of Tokyo is the only place I feel at home.

I wouldn't like to be a train driver in Japan. They are very strict in terms of late running and you could be demoted if you run late.

And also lose face.

This crash in Osaka was attributed to pressure not to be late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amagasaki_rail_crash


Drivers face financial penalties for lateness as well as being forced into harsh and humiliating "Nikkin Kyoiku" retraining programs. The final report concluded that the retraining system was the most probable cause of incident.

The Shinkansen is truly astounding in how it keeps time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen

The Shinkansen is very reliable, and in 2003, JR Central reported that the Shinkansen's average arrival time was within six seconds of the scheduled time. This includes all natural and human accidents and errors and is calculated over roughly 160,000 Shinkansen trips completed.

 

[jopsuk]

That would account for the driver today giving hand signals apparently for his own amusement. Now all is explained.

Aye. Not for his own amusement. It's for fear for his job.

These for example are designed spefically to have forward-viewing

 

[notadriver]

Yes I am. The crazy city of Tokyo is the only place I feel at home.

How the other half live! Did you fly the plane there - you're a pilot right?

I'm just wondering whether the Japanese strict work ethos extends to all jobs - not just train driving? I'm guessing it does.

 

[Striker]

How the other half live! Did you fly the plane there - you're a pilot right?

I'm just wondering whether the Japanese strict work ethos extends to all jobs - not just train driving? I'm guessing it does.

No, I'm an air traffic controller.

Japan is my favourite country in the world. "Respect" is highly valued, from the way they handle money to the pride everybody takes in their jobs, be it a train driver or a road sweeper. When entering the carriage, without fail, the guard will bow to everybody before checking tickets. Can you imagine asking British train staff to do that? In my many visits here I've never had so much as a slightly grumpy employee. What they must think coming to Britain to face a grunt from your average ticket inspector with his trousers half way down his backside. :roll: Britain is full of ignorant, lazy people. I can't remember seeing one in Japan.

 

[qpsnapper]

Famously, the 303s had this. I wish I'd been able to see this at some point.

Just old enough to remember those from the Newton line in the late 70's, used to love the long straight stretch between King's Park and Croftfoot and watching the speedometer to see how fast the train was going!

 

[the sniper]

Britain is full of ignorant, lazy people.

Oh thank you, you're too kind Sir... :roll:

Japan can't be that great, seeing how much time you spend on here talking to us ignorant, lazy people.

 

[Striker]

Oh thank you, you're too kind Sir... :roll:

Japan can't be that great, seeing how much time you spend on here talking to us ignorant, lazy people.

I feel I can comment because I am British. And Britain is full of ignorant people. But if you want to bury your head in the sand.....

And, even though I posting on here, it doesn't mean Japan isn't great. I was posting from the business lounge in the airport waiting for my flight.

 

[Flying Snail]

Their wifi (last time I used it at least) is awful though.


Streaming a constant video of 100+mph running would surely push the wifi to the max??

No. The problem with the WiFi is the 3G/Satellite link to the internet which is patchy and has too little bandwith to deal with a trainload of users at once.

An internal feed like this would not have the same problem, in fact the possibility that providing this could lessen the demand on the internet connection is about the only positive I can think of that could be used to put this as forward to TOCs as a viable investment.

 

[d1015fan]

i apologise if this has already been written. But when FGW was testing the VOLO TV in the grey and lime green coach with lime green seats I recall there was a forward facing view on the TV's. Never saw i though to confirm it

 

[colpepper]

Placing a camera on the front of a train was among the earliest film genres made, the so called 'phantom rides'. On narrow gauge or suburban stoppers it might be interesting but expresses would be a virtually unchanging shot of rails disappearing to infinity.

I dislike intrusive media in pubs, planes or anywhere else.