Can someone be banned from using the railway?

[bakedbanana]

I am certain that in 1999 the man I worked for was banned for life from using the railways. This is because he had a family rail card which entitled him to travel cheaper if a child was with him. He was travelling with another adult, but no child. When a ticket inspector asked him for his ticket and he produced the family rail card, he told the inspector that his son was in the toilet. The inspector waited for the son to come out, but obviously he didn't as my boss had lied and was not travelling with his young son. I am sure he received a ban (although I don't know how this could be enforced). Has anyone else heard of people being banned for fare dodging? I can't find anything about this anywhere.

 

[michael769]

Yes. The railway is private land and the owners and occupiers have an absolute right to refuse entry to anyone should they wish to do so.

In practice it would be impossible to effectively enforce a ban across the entire network.

 

[Flamingo]

I know a few people who have received ASBO's banning them from the railway, and it is a commonly imposed bail condition.

 

[Yew]

I have a friend who received a ban from his local line for... Being, with a lady. Although I doubt they have mughshots of him in the cabs..

 

[sonic2009]

A certain Mr Haywood received a banning order didn't he?

 

[TheEdge]

Like others have said there is no reason it couldn't be done, but enforcement, impossible I imagine.

 

[reb0118]

How about a small tattoo in a prominent place on the offender so officials will know to question this person further. These could be based on road traffic signs. e.g. A small BR logo in a white circle edged with red and a red stripe though it would mean banned from railway premises. Exchange the BR logo for a football - banned from football grounds. &c., &c..

If you think a tattoo is draconian then how about an electronic tag that will not allow you through railway barriers or football turnstiles - of course all stations/football grounds must be compliant.

Obviously the above is a bit tongue in cheek but it may stimulate some debate.

One aspect about a banning order is that, although enforcement is virtually impossible, it may focus the mind of the offender to behave on the premises and to keep under the radar so to speak because if caught misbehaving the banning order would become known to the authorities and the person may be for the high jump?

 

[Flamingo]

I have a friend who received a ban from his local line for... Being, with a lady. Although I doubt they have mughshots of him in the cabs..

There are, on occasions, mugshots in station offices and booking-on points. Although, the ones I know of are well known (and detested) by staff in their locale. By the time they get an ASBO they have usually been a pain in the arrse for a long time.

 

[bb21]

If you think a tattoo is draconian then how about an electronic tag that will not allow you through railway barriers or football turnstiles - of course all stations/football grounds must be compliant.

You mean one that sends a 50-volt minor shock through the offender's body when they enter any station?

 

[JamesRowden]

Someone in prison is banned from the railway because the railway does not enter the prison. This example is enforcable.

 

[AlexS]

There are, on occasions, mugshots in station offices and booking-on points. Although, the ones I know of are well known (and detested) by staff in their locale. By the time they get an ASBO they have usually been a pain in the arrse for a long time.

We've got a local arsehole who floats from banning order to banning order and he is the bane of our, and the local BTP (and I think local Home Office police)'s lives. Utterly mental, I believe he not too long ago was running around whooping, hooting and being abusive and someone ran him over at slow speed with their car. The courts won't do anything because 'he doesn't understand'. If only they'd hit him a little harder with the car!!

Another one of our regular darlings made the mistake of hassling the wrong person in our taxi rank and said someone took this chap's crutches off him and broke them over his head. He also hasn't been seen for a while.

I know which was more effective out of the banning order and the poetic justice!!

 

[insidetrack77]

I hear Peter Young is back on the scene in the Glasgow area, Disabled railcard at the ready. No cheques please!

 

[MP33]

I did see a TV programme about unlicensed taxis in London and it featured a struck off Black Cab driver who was banned from every taxi rank at the London termini.

I asked in the past. What happened to the man from Brighton who used to continually flout the smoking ban when all the smoking compartments were removed?

 

[bakedbanana]

Does anyone know if it is possible to check if someone is banned from using the railways? Does a list, accessible to the public, exist?

 

[Mojo]

Typically many of these people aren't that intelligent and tend to turn up at the same station(s) time and time again, usually near their home, so the local staff tend to get to know them, thus making those banned from travel easier to spot. It's unlikely, for example for someone banned for causing trouble every weekend at Dartford to suddenly pitch up at Newcastle one day.

 

[transmanche]

It's unlikely, for example for someone banned for causing trouble every weekend at Dartford to suddenly pitch up at Newcastle one day.

Because Newcastle is perfectly able to provide its own trouble-makers as required!

 

[Flamingo]

Does anyone know if it is possible to check if someone is banned from using the railways? Does a list, accessible to the public, exist?

There isn't a list accessible to staff! I guess there are data protection issues about making such a list, if it existed, accessible to the public.

Worried you are on it

 

[transmanche]

I guess there are data protection issues about making such a list, if it existed, accessible to the public.

That's probably true if they were just banned by the TOC. But surely it would be a matter of public record if someone was banned by an ASBO (or other court order)?

 

[Flamingo]

I would imagine so.

 

[Waldgrun]

The 6th paragraph of this article makes interesting reading.
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...opshire-shoplifter-to-serve-a-year-in-prison/

 

[Prairie_5542]

Does anyone know if it is possible to check if someone is banned from using the railways? Does a list, accessible to the public, exist?

There wouldn't be a list accessible to the general public, if they did a search on someone's name.

However if someone goes to court and receives an ASBO or a banning order/ bail conditions it would be reported in the local press that they have received them.

If a person has an ASBO or a banning order/ bail conditions, then this would show up on their PNC record when the Police would do a check on them.