Caledonian Sleeper discussion

[Blindtraveler]

Any ideas whats delaying the up FortBill?

 

[TimboM]

Any ideas whats delaying the up FortBill?

73971 failed on departure - moved about 20m then gave up apparently. 66737 sent to rescue and is now providing the traction. 971 still in train providing the ETS.

 

[TimboM]

Edinburgh is 4 vice 8. After Carstairs it will be 5 vice 8.

No idea about loading.

Will 92014 be able to cope with the Load 5 I wonder?

 

[TimboM]

1B01 still 100 Late (Dumbarton) - will delay 1M16 significantly.

1S25 76 Late at Crewe (was 104 Late at one point).

1S26 27 Late at Wolverton - stuck on the Slows by the looks of it until Hemel Hemstead, but now on the Fasts and starting to make up time.

 

[Scotrail84]

1S25 is 67 down now.

 

[Clansman]

1B01 still 100 Late (Dumbarton) - will delay 1M16 significantly.

1S25 76 Late at Crewe (was 104 Late at one point).

1S26 27 Late at Wolverton - stuck on the Slows by the looks of it until Hemel Hemstead, but now on the Fasts and starting to make up time.

...yet when I'm on it's always early!

Hope the passengers 'affected' by these delays enjoy their lie in.

 

[Scotrail84]

Now back to 74.

 

[TimboM]

Now back to 74.

Strong headwinds through Wigan??!

 

[Scotrail84]

Strong headwinds through Wigan??!

Following a 6XXX freight. T3's on as well at lostock - Preston so couldn't put it inside.

Freight was put inside at Barton and Broughton DPL.

 

[Mag_seven]

1M16 now 92 late at Stafford - suspect more time will be lost as it will almost certainly run slow line all the way now (and probably go via Northampton).

1S26 seems to have gained time en route only to lose it between Tebay and Penrith and between Abington and Carstairs South. Now 50L into the Well.

 

[Chrism20]

Stock was taken to Polmadie on 5B16 this afternoon. However, those coaches should have been at Wembley with the rest of 1M16, so about 400 miles out of position...!

Thanks I thought there was only lot of sleepers when I passed through but wasn't sure if the other lot were behind them as it was getting dark.

 

[TimboM]

1M16 now 92 late at Stafford - suspect more time will be lost as it will almost certainly run slow line all the way now (and probably go via Northampton).

1S26 seems to have gained time en route only to lose it between Tebay and Penrith and between Abington and Carstairs South. Now 50L into the Well.

You were right about 1M16 - ended up 123 Late in the end. One up-side of the delay was being able to see it in the sort of daylight (aka fog) going through Cheshire this morning - brief video here - was 91 Late as this point.

1S26 ended up 48 Late into Glasgow in the end (1B26 57 Late into Edinburgh) - not sure what the additional delays were as had pretty much got back on time by Preston/Lancaster.

1S25 was about an hour late at Waverley and ended up 42 Late at Inverness.

1M11 the only one managing to keep the end up last night, arriving 42 Early at Euston.

 

[leightonbd]

Walking over the South Sub line bridge at Morningside this morning, late for work at about 9.10 am I saw what I am sure was a CS class 73, heading in the direction of Niddrie/ Craigentinny. Not pulling any stock. Any idea what that was?

With the two class 68 ECS movements and a westbound freight inbetween, that's four trains in about a quarter of an hour - too much excitement on the Sub.

 

[Scotrail84]

Walking over the South Sub line bridge at Morningside this morning, late for work at about 9.10 am I saw what I am sure was a CS class 73, heading in the direction of Niddrie/ Craigentinny. Not pulling any stock. Any idea what that was?

With the two class 68 ECS movements and a westbound freight inbetween, that's four trains in about a quarter of an hour - too much excitement on the Sub.

Probably the failed 73 from Aberdeen that had moved the stock from clay hills to polmadie. That could have been it returning light to Craigentinny.

 

[TimboM]

Walking over the South Sub line bridge at Morningside this morning, late for work at about 9.10 am I saw what I am sure was a CS class 73, heading in the direction of Niddrie/ Craigentinny. Not pulling any stock. Any idea what that was?

With the two class 68 ECS movements and a westbound freight inbetween, that's four trains in about a quarter of an hour - too much excitement on the Sub.

Probably the failed 73 from Aberdeen that had moved the stock from clay hills to polmadie. That could have been it returning light to Craigentinny.

Reported elsewhere that (despite what TOPS thought) it was actually 73970 that worked the empty stock to Polmadie (5B16 yesterday) and then moved to Craigentinny this morning on 0Z73 (which is what leightonbd would have seen on the Sub).

970 had taken the northbound Aberdeen early hours of Monday morning after 967 had failed on the southbound Sunday night. 970 then worked the empty stock (5B16) back to Polmadie yesterday daytime.

967 was left in Aberdeen and presumably fixed as it worked the southbound Aberdeen last night.

 

[Far north 37]

any ideas what might be working tommorows northbound highlander yet

 

[TimboM]

any ideas what might be working tommorows northbound highlander yet

92018 and 92010 have been working the Highlander between them this last week.
92018 northbound tonight, 92010 southbound probably (as it's in Waverley) so could well be 92010 tomorrow night.

92014 is the other one likely to be working the services north tomorrow night (as probably on 1M11 tonight).

92033 is the other possible 'fly in the ointment' as its been to Craigentinny for attention of some sort but showing on TOPS as back in traffic - and still being at the depot, so that may get in on the act at some point. They probably need to transfer an extra loco South at some point as there's no real "spare" at Willesden at the moment as they usually like to have. Things have been out of kilter since 90043 rescued 92014 a couple of weeks back and so two locos ended up in Scotland via 1S25 that night rather than the usual one.

As ever, the locos switch around (sometimes last minute) so won't know for sure until tomorrow night... but 010 my best guess for now.

 

[Far north 37]

92018 and 92010 have been working the Highlander between them this last week.
92018 northbound tonight, 92010 southbound probably (as it's in Waverley) so could well be 92010 tomorrow night.

92014 is the other one likely to be working the services north tomorrow night (as probably on 1M11 tonight).

92033 is the other possible 'fly in the ointment' as its been to Craigentinny for attention of some sort but showing on TOPS as back in traffic - and still being at the depot, so that may get in on the act at some point. They probably need to transfer an extra loco South at some point as there's no real "spare" at Willesden at the moment as they usually like to have. Things have been out of kilter since 90043 rescued 92014 a couple of weeks back and so two locos ended up in Scotland via 1S25 that night rather than the usual one.

As ever, the locos switch around (sometimes last minute) so won't know for sure until tomorrow night... but 010 my best guess for now.

ah ok thanks its likely to be a 92 then any idea what might be doing the aberdeen portion

 

[Caleb2010]

67 022 is on the inverness portion as far as Edinburgh tonight - diverted after Perth due to engineering work. Has 7 vice 8 on tonight, provided there's still a coach B, I'm not worried.

 

[TimboM]

ah ok thanks its likely to be a 92 then any idea what might be doing the aberdeen portion

One 90 (047) is heading north tonight so rules that out, the other one (042) has done Carstairs portion last couple of nights, so unless they switch, yes, it'll most likely be a 92.

73967 has been working the Aberdeen recently (apart from when it failed the other night!). Again, they can swap them around, with 970 and 971 being the others out and about in Scotland at the moment.

 

[Deafdoggie]

Does the Northbound Lowlander usually use the new slow line at Norton Bridge? On it tomorrow night, and not travelled that cord yet

 

[TimboM]

Does the Northbound Lowlander usually use the new slow line at Norton Bridge? On it tomorrow night, and not travelled that cord yet

It's routed via the Slows normally I believe (see 1S26 22nd Sept) and went that way the last couple of nights. On that basis it would be using the new Down Slow chord at Norton Bridge.

The Slows between Stafford and Crewe were also upgraded to 100mph as part of that overall Stafford project, so I'd say that reduces the possibility of it being routed onto the Fasts on that stretch as the Sleeper cannot go any faster than 100mph anyway (or 87.5mph if it's a 92 as it'll probably be tomorrow night).

That said of course ultimately it's down to the signaller on the night and what else is going on.

 

[Surreytraveller]

The Caledonian Sleeper made an appearance on last night's One Show (21st September)

 

[Scotrail84]

any ideas what might be working tommorows northbound highlander yet

Probably 92 010. That's currently working 1M16.

 

[Scotrail84]

Ft William line shut. 11 veh going to inverness tonight with pass for stations to Ft William bused from Kingussie.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Whats wrong up there?

 

[High Dyke]

Ft William line shut. 11 veh going to inverness tonight with pass for stations to Ft William bused from Kingussie.

Whats wrong up there?

Planned engineering work. I was reading the posters about it last week whilst up there.

Friday 22nd September and Friday 29th September 2017
London to Fort William services

Due to engineering work, London to Fort William services will not operate on these dates.

Guests travelling to Tulloch, Roy Bridge, Spean Bridge and Fort William should travel on the London to Inverness service, changing at Kingussie for a replacement bus service.

Guests wishing to travel to Fort William, Tulloch, Roy Bridge and Spean Bridge should make bookings to Kingussie.

Kingussie dep 0730
Tulloch arr 0820
Roy Bridge arr 0835
Spean Bridge arr 0850
Fort William arr 0910

Sunday 24th September and Sunday 1st October 2017
Fort William to London services

Due to engineering work, Fort William to London services will not operate on these dates.

Guests travelling from Fort William, Spean Bridge, Roy Bridge and Tulloch should travel on the replacement bus service to Kingussie, for onward Caledonian Sleeper train service to London.

Guests wishing to travel from Fort William, Tulloch, Roy Bridge and Spean Bridge should make bookings from Kingussie.

Fort William dep 1940
Spean Bridge dep 2005
Roy Bridge dep 2020
Tulloch dep 2035
Kingussie arr 2120

Arrival in London is at 0747, with rooms to be vacated by 0800.

Source: https://www.sleeper.scot/service-alterations

 

[TimboM]

any ideas what might be working tommorows northbound highlander yet

Probably 92 010. That's currently working 1M16.

92014 the other loco that came south last night (on 1M11) and not a lot else at Willesden currently except 87002 (doing the ECS duties currently) and 86101 (stopped for exam/repair). So barring any failures or something from left-field, 010 remains the favourite and 014 the only other likely option.

 

[InOban]

Planned engineering work. I was reading the posters about it last week whilst up there.


Source: https://www.sleeper.scot/service-alterations

This is the normal practice whenever the WHL is closed for engineering. Except that,since the arrival of the 73, the train is diverted into Oban whenever the engineering is North of Crianlarich.

Of course, during the winter the trains, both day and sleeper, are much quieter during the week than at weekends, so they should really do the engineering midweek, but NR seem addicted to weekend working.

And in this case the engineering is within the Dumbarton to dalmuir area, so there's no alternative.

 

[Far north 37]

One 90 (047) is heading north tonight so rules that out, the other one (042) has done Carstairs portion last couple of nights, so unless they switch, yes, it'll most likely be a 92.

73967 has been working the Aberdeen recently (apart from when it failed the other night!). Again, they can swap them around, with 970 and 971 being the others out and about in Scotland at the moment.

cheers for that hopefully will get 73967 one of the ones i havent had previously