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CAF class 197 Civity for TfW: News and updates on introduction.
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Jacob Porrett
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197050 at Crewe Carriage Sidings L&NWR
Bevan Price
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197033 & 197037 on Chester / Liverpool services. - My first ride on 197037; just 9 left to get.
tfw756rider
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Am I right, or am I missing something in the other sense?
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You've ridden on 61 of the 70 that have been in service? "Only" 54 for me
Jacob Porrett
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A number of 197s in Crewe South Yard at the moment. Can't identify them unfortunately.
Jamesrob637
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70/77 in service then
All in service by Christmas? Roughly one new unit a week.
All in service by Christmas? Roughly one new unit a week.
No chance of that. The last ones aren't expected for several months. Only reason so many newer ones are even out is that they are filling in because so many of the regular fleet are out of service.
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No you are correct, I just didn't see your other post before I hit reply!
Peter Sarf
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197028 just back into service after its long weekend out of service (worryingly) so soon after its return from Holyhead. Currently on 1V32 05:54 Crewe to Milford Haven throughout.
Realtime Trains | 1V32 0554 Crewe to Milford Haven | 28/10/2025
Real-time train running information for 1V32 0554 departure from Crewe to Milford Haven on 28/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Came off Chester depot about 04:30 this morning.
If I read that right, this means that 46 class 197s were out earning revenue for TfW yesterday (Monday 27th October 2025) - can't remember if anyone has posted the number of units that have booked work on a weekday to see whether 46 units is more or less than that.
It was posted upthread a while ago.
51 units rings a bell but may have increased since.
Its decreased down to 47 Monday to Friday currently.
Some interesting nuggets regarding the 197s in the Green Signals interview with James Price, CEO of TfW:
Sorry if this has already been posted, this thread moves fast!
- A few of the 197s are suffering with cracks around what James describes as the anti roll bars, which he likens to what happened with the IETs. The good news is that it is not currently affecting service delivery and a fix has been agreed.
- TfW and CAF have moved from an adversarial relationship to more of a partnership. TfW is now satisfied with the service being received from CAF.
- There are lessons to be learned about reading and understanding what is actually in the contracts with rolling stock manufacturers, rather than relying on the interpretation of consultants or engineers.
Sorry if this has already been posted, this thread moves fast!
The_Train
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More new trains suffering with cracking? At this point they might as well start making them out of lego
And as for the 3rd point, I am by no means a businessman or business owner, but I would guess that the reading and understanding of contracts before signing them off is pretty basic stuff.
Anonymous10
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At least lego would be easy to repair with its "modular design" and "pre-trained" staffMore new trains suffering with cracking? At this point they might as well start making them out of lego
And as for the 3rd point, I am by no means a businessman or business owner, but I would guess that the reading and understanding of contracts before signing them off is pretty basic stuff.
197035 back out today currently on 2D15 Blaenau - Llandudno197028 just back into service after its long weekend out of service (worryingly) so soon after its return from Holyhead. Currently on 1V32 05:54 Crewe to Milford Haven throughout.
Realtime Trains | 1V32 0554 Crewe to Milford Haven | 28/10/2025
Real-time train running information for 1V32 0554 departure from Crewe to Milford Haven on 28/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Came off Chester depot about 04:30 this morning.
3Q81 Crewe South Yard - Machynlleth test down to run tonight
Thanks for the confirmation.
197032 and 197039 should also be there and possibly 197005 if you viewed the yard later than 15.37 after its return from the Barton route learning trips.
Anyone know what worked the 3Q81 - 3Q84 test runs last night please?
tfw756rider
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Thanks197039+197025 again
(then 2nd night cancelled)
tfw756rider
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Welcome
An mk4 set has been sat in Stockport since Friday Morning. Will this be out for a while because lots of services yesterday were short formed and extremely busy even for a Saturday. I couldn’t get on my train as people were stood down the middle and sat on the floor at doors and that was with 4 cars.
Jamesrob637
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I think it moved very slowly from Platform 1 to Platform 0. It was still in Stockport around 11am today.
MP393
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Plan is for it to be moved tonight after services finish on a very slow run to Crewe and then over to Crewe ETD
Very slow is being generous. You could probably walk it quicker! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:25084/2025-11-03/detailed
tfw756rider
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I've been informed of the following two schedules:
Realtime Trains | 3C10 0420 Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs to Machynlleth Carr. Sdgs | 10/11/2025
Real-time train running information for 3C10 0420 departure from Shrewsbury Abbey Frgte Cs to Machynlleth Carr. Sdgs on 10/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Departing on Monday 10th November 2025
and
Realtime Trains | 3C11 0423 Machynlleth Carr. Sdgs to Holyhead Car. M.D. | 14/11/2025
Real-time train running information for 3C11 0423 departure from Machynlleth Carr. Sdgs to Holyhead Car. M.D. on 14/11/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Departing on Friday 14th November 2025
I take it that whatever's happening in-between those hasn't yet gone onto the system?
Anonymous10
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What speed is it likely to go? Why so slowly?
Philip Roberts
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If it's a flat wheel problem, it will need to run really slowly
Normally 20mph max, 5mph over points and there's quite a few of those on this move. It's on a wheel skate
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Does seem only The moves onto and off the system are so far inputted with the rest to follow.
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There's large amounts of 197s stopped too at the moment, 14 was the total last night. Cambrian sets just about keep the show on the road but short forms are really mounting.