Brexit matters

[Vespa]

The sort of Brexiter that thinks "I don't need to go abroad, there's nothing wrong with holidays in this country" (translation: it scares me a little bit that I might have to deal with people not speaking English, so I'll holiday in Prestatyn instead)

This sarcastic tone is insulting the vast majority of Brexiters who do not conform to this negative stereotype of a Brexiter.

I'm a Brexiter I'm equally ok with having a holiday in the UK and the world, I've even travelled the world twice speaking Spanish, French, German, with some Japanese, Mandarin and Korean.

So that's one remainer myth busted !

 

[Ianno87]

This sarcastic tone is insulting the vast majority of Brexiters who do not conform to this negative stereotype of a Brexiter.

I'm a Brexiter I'm equally ok with having a holiday in the UK and the world, I've even travelled the world twice speaking Spanish, French, German, with some Japanese, Mandarin and Korean.

So that's one remainer myth busted !

Where exactly did I say all Brexiters were like that....?

I didn't say anywhere that most wouldn't indeed welcome an EHIC replacement, as a UK that still remains a fundamentally close partner with the EU27.

 

[najaB]

This sarcastic tone is insulting the vast majority of Brexiters who do not conform to this negative stereotype of a Brexiter.
...
So that's one remainer myth busted !

Some ≠ All.

 

[dosxuk]

This sarcastic tone is insulting the vast majority of Brexiters who do not conform to this negative stereotype of a Brexiter.

You won. Get over it.

Stop pretending like the leavers are some sort of persecuted group. And if you're going to complain about remainers tarring all the leavers with the same brush, don't go doing that straight back. It undermines your argument and makes you look silly.

 

[radamfi]

The UK has reciprocal healthcare with Bosnia, North Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, New Zealand and Australia so you can't even say it is special to the EU. It would be weird if Britain didn't have a healthcare agreement with its neighbours but did have one with most Balkan states.

 

[birchesgreen]

Last minute hitch to the deal due to... yes you guessed it... fish.

 

[westv]

The EHIC should never be considered a replacement for good travel insurance.

 

[radamfi]

The EHIC should never be considered a replacement for good travel insurance.

But many people can't get travel insurance, or not at affordable rates. Even if you've got travel insurance, there's no guarantee it will pay out.

 

[dosxuk]

The EHIC should never be considered a replacement for good travel insurance.

Right now it's a very good supplement to even good travel insurance - which mostly won't cover covid related healthcare if you pick it up while traveling in the EU.

 

[class ep-09]

Considering that Vote Leave leader ( Boris) secured a deal , where EU got what it wanted, and UK got few bits of what it wanted , I wanted to ask brexit supporters :


Is that the brexit you voted for?

If not, then please stop telling us that 17,4 million brexit voters knew what they were voting for, as it is YOUR MAN , who got the brexit done and got this deal.

If yes, how do you explain that it is worse deal we had?

Rule takers without ANY influence

 

[Vespa]

Considering that Vote Leave leader ( Boris) secured a deal , where EU got what it wanted, and UK got few bits of what it wanted , I wanted to ask brexit supporters :


Is that the brexit you voted for?

If not, then please stop telling us that 17,4 million brexit voters knew what they were voting for, as it is YOUR MAN , who got the brexit done and got this deal.

If yes, how do you explain that it is worse deal we had?

Rule takers without ANY influence

I would suggest waiting to see the details of the deal before actually speculating as to its contents.

 

[yorksrob]

Last minute hitch to the deal due to... yes you guessed it... fish.

Last minute negotiations over the saveloy catch !

Anyhow, I'm very relieved they've agreed something.

 

[Ianno87]

Pointing out that European Commission doing their press briefing in English and French.

For the benefit of the people who think the EU are somehow trying to screw us; they do, in fact, still care and want to be trading partners with us.

 

[radamfi]

This was announced in Parliament a few days ago:

Written statements - Written questions, answers and statements - UK Parliament

Information from UK Parliament on written questions & answers, written statements and daily reports.

questions-statements.parliament.uk

Current reciprocal healthcare arrangements enable large numbers of UK-insured individuals to access healthcare when they live, study, work or travel in the European Economic Area or Switzerland, and visa-versa when European Economic Area or Switzerland-insured individuals come to the UK. Although some people are covered under the Withdrawal Agreement, for everyone else these arrangements will come to an end on 31 December 2020.

Negotiations on future arrangements with the EU are ongoing and include necessary healthcare provisions. If agreed, such provisions would provide effectively the same healthcare cover as the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC). The Government continues to work hard to secure these arrangements.

This suggests that healthcare was part of the deal just agreed.

 

[Ianno87]

The UK Government rejected continuing in the ERASMUS scheme, which is incredibly disappointing, and a kick in the face for young people.


Still waiting to figure out what, if anything, is better about this deal than what we had as a full EU member. Any explanations gratefully recieved.

 

[dgl]

Deal is done,

Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU

The deal between the UK and EU ends months of arguments over business rules and fishing rights.

www.bbc.co.uk

The EU and UK have reached a post-Brexit trade deal, ending months of disagreements over fishing rights and future business rules.
Downing Street said: "We have got Brexit done and we can now take full advantage of the fantastic opportunities available to us".
Prime Minister Boris Johnson will shortly hold a press conference, confirming the agreement.
EU chief Ursula von der Leyen said it was a "fair and balanced" deal.

• LIVE: EU and UK agree trade deal

In a press conference in Brussels, the European Commission president said: "This was a long and winding road but we have got a good deal to show for it."
"It is fair, it is a balanced deal, and it is the right and responsible thing to do for both sides."
She added that now was "time to turn the page and look to the future" and that the UK "remains a trusted partner".
"The EU and the UK will stand shoulder to shoulder to deliver on our common global goals," she said.
Mr Johnson tweeted a picture of himself smiling with both thumbs lifted in the air.
In its statement, Downing Street said: "Everything that the British public was promised during the 2016 referendum and in the general election last year is delivered by this deal.
"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters."
The UK government had "delivered this great deal for the entire United Kingdom in record time, and under extremely challenging conditions," the statement added.

 

[Ianno87]

Still waiting to figure out what, if anything, is better about this deal than what we had as a full EU member. Any explanations gratefully recieved.

Found one! We can catch more fish now. Whoopee.


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Boris, asked by Laura Keunessberg what compromises made by both sides. Predictably the answer is about bloody fish!

 

[alex397]

As much as I think we never should have left the EU, I am glad a deal has been done. I’m relieved we haven’t had a No Deal which would have been pointlessly damaging. Still concerned about the future here but we shall see!

Yet again I’m still very confused about why so many people are obsessed with fish! It is such a ridiculously tiny part of our economy, but people get the impression it’s really important because politicians and media keep banging on about it!

 

[eoff]

Presumably there is still the small matter of parliaments voting on this (or at least the one that must sign it off, the EU one).

 

[Vespa]

As much as I think we never should have left the EU, I am glad a deal has been done. I’m relieved we haven’t had a No Deal which would have been pointlessly damaging. Still concerned about the future here but we shall see!

Yet again I’m still very confused about why so many people are obsessed with fish! It is such a ridiculously tiny part of our economy, but people get the impression it’s really important because politicians and media keep banging on about it!

The fish may be a small part of the economy, it's an emotional source national pride and sovereignty to both sides as such it forms part of the negotiations, a lot of international negotiations and treaties round the world have hinged on less, no one wants to lose face however insignificant the prize.

 

[Ianno87]

Presumably there is still the small matter of parliaments voting on this (or at least the one that must sign it off, the EU one).

Yes, it needs to be signed off by the various EU members (not sure if all of them, or just the ones with veto power such as Germany (like we used to have....))

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The fish may be a small part of the economy, it's an emotional source national pride and sovereignty to both sides as such it forms part of the negotiations, a lot of international negotiations and treaties round the world have hinged on less, no one wants to lose face however insignificant the prize.

Fish has absolutely bugger all to do with sovereignty, nor on national pride for most of the population (for whom it is basically irrelevant).

 

[deltic]

So the Government celebrates signing a trade deal that for the first time in history leaves both sides worse off than the situation pertaining before

 

[najaB]

The fish may be a small part of the economy, it's an emotional source national pride

I've heard some bovine excrement, but this takes the cake.

 

[DarloRich]

We need to see the detail and the nature and effect of operating this deal. It is good a deal was done.

I remain suspicious about the content of the deal and Johnson's usual wibbly performance doesnt help.

The speech givern, not in her native language, by ursula von der leyen was much more mature and sober.

 

[Ianno87]

We need to see the detail and the nature and effect of operating this deal. It is good a deal was done.

I remain suspicious about the content of the deal and Johnson's usual wibbly performance doesnt help.

Can't say I had any confidence he was taking it seriously when he made a point of apologising for his briefing interrupting Cars 3...

 

[DarloRich]

Can't say I had any confidence he was taking it seriously when he made a point of apologising for his briefing interrupting Cars 3...

Agreed. It is all a game to him. He doesnt give a stuff about impacts. He does not care.

 

[najaB]

Agreed. It is all a game to him. He doesnt give a stuff about impacts.

I don't understand. It's not going to have an effect on him...

 

[Journeyman]

I'm going to kiss my Irish passport.

 

[nlogax]

The fish may be a small part of the economy, it's an emotional source national pride and sovereignty to both sides as such it forms part of the negotiations, a lot of international negotiations and treaties round the world have hinged on less, no one wants to lose face however insignificant the prize.

Maybe you’ve missed the massive face-losing exercise we’ve been collectively bound to since 2016? Even with this deal we can fairly confidently say that Brexit is less than the sum of its parts. It was an asinine idea and now it’s an asinine reality. Nobody has won anything.

 

[cactustwirly]

The fish may be a small part of the economy, it's an emotional source national pride and sovereignty to both sides as such it forms part of the negotiations, a lot of international negotiations and treaties round the world have hinged on less, no one wants to lose face however insignificant the prize.

To who exactly? I would rather the fishing was sacrificed if it meant that it saved the financial and manufacturing sectors, who make up a significant impact of our GDP