Blockade to allow Waterloo upgrade to take place, resulting in timetable changes

[infobleep]

The timetable for Epsom, published this month, shows Southern services running to Guildford. However, they are not currently running due to the overtime ban. Will this still be the case next month?

It is until further notice so I guess as they don't know, they just add them in as if they are running.

 

[SWT_USER]

Apologies if this has already been asked/ answered but does anybody know what is being built on Leake Street at the moment? Looks like steps leading down from the platform but not sure if it is an emergency exit or access to (what will be) the shopping centre?

 

[swt_passenger]

Apologies if this has already been asked/ answered but does anybody know what is being built on Leake Street at the moment? Looks like steps leading down from the platform but not sure if it is an emergency exit or access to (what will be) the shopping centre?

I think it is more likely to be a relocated emergency escape. There is a mention of moving the escape from at least P23/24, as the former route was too far along the original platform length.

As fas as I recall from the various planning applications work on the future shopping centre is not part of the current project.

 

[nlogax]

Apologies if this has already been asked/ answered but does anybody know what is being built on Leake Street at the moment? Looks like steps leading down from the platform but not sure if it is an emergency exit or access to (what will be) the shopping centre?

Looking at it I'd assume it's related to the Leake Street Arches works.

Planning submission (one of many)
https://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/onl...s.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OHG3ZSBOFMB00

Scheme summary
https://www.corstorphine-wright.com/projects/leake-street-arches/

 

[Rick1984]

I will be travelling to Portsmouth Harbour on the 14th of August. Is my best plan to take the service from London Victoria instead.

The thought of putting my life in the hands of Southern gives me the fear of God!

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I will be travelling to Portsmouth Harbour on the 14th of August. Is my best plan to take the service from London Victoria instead.

The thought of putting my life in the hands of Southern gives me the fear of God!

Just sticking Waterloo to Portsmouth into SWTs booking page gives direct trains at half hour intervals, hopefully their booking engine has had all the blockade changes added

 

[yorksrob]

I notice that trains from Exeter to Waterloo on 29th Sept have an exclamation mark on NRE warning of possible service disruption, yet when I check the date for planned engineering work, nothing comes up. Anyone know if there's anything planned for then ?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I notice that trains from Exeter to Waterloo on 29th Sept have an exclamation mark on NRE warning of possible service disruption, yet when I check the date for planned engineering work, nothing comes up. Anyone know if there's anything planned for then ?

Can't see anything on RTT that would indicate any engineering works on that date. Are there any really big events happening in either London or Exeter on that day?

 

[infobleep]

According to National Rail Enquiries via the app, there will be a queue system in place and the potential queuing time will be 20 minutes.

Above that disruption notice is another notice saying the queuing time at Waterloo will be 30 minutes. The same at Vauxhall and Wimbledon; 45 minutes at Clapham Junction and 20 minutes at Surbtion.

Either someone mistyped the figure 2 instead of 3 of they are not sure how long the queuing time will be.

The issue comes down to will people heed their existing advice and go on holiday then or work from home? If lots don't travel then queues won't occur quite as much. I'm sure 8 to 8.30 will still be the pinch point as they say.

Now will the 45 minutes of queues at Clapham Junction affect every operator? If I look up Horsham to Clapham Junction, it just states the train will be busy, not that people will potentially have to queue for 45 minutes at Clapham Junction. Perhaps they will have away if just having 45 minute queues that don't affect other operators. Not sure how though, given it will affect multiple South West Trains platforms.

Image of below of the full disruption notices as appears in the National Rail Enquiries App when doing a search for train times on the South West Trains network during the disruption.

 

[yorksrob]

Can't see anything on RTT that would indicate any engineering works on that date. Are there any really big events happening in either London or Exeter on that day?

Ah cheers for looking.

I assume it's railway related as there's no warning showing for the Paddington services.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Could it be a contingency in case the engineering blockade doesn't goto plan?

 

[hwl]

According to National Rail Enquiries via the app, there will be a queue system in place and the potential queuing time will be 20 minutes.

Above that disruption notice is another notice saying the queuing time at Waterloo will be 30 minutes. The same at Vauxhall and Wimbledon; 45 minutes at Clapham Junction and 20 minutes at Surbtion.

Either someone mistyped the figure 2 instead of 3 of they are not sure how long the queuing time will be.

The issue comes down to will people heed their existing advice and go on holiday then or work from home? If lots don't travel then queues won't occur quite as much. I'm sure 8 to 8.30 will still be the pinch point as they say.

Now will the 45 minutes of queues at Clapham Junction affect every operator? If I look up Horsham to Clapham Junction, it just states the train will be busy, not that people will potentially have to queue for 45 minutes at Clapham Junction. Perhaps they will have away if just having 45 minute queues that don't affect other operators. Not sure how though, given it will affect multiple South West Trains platforms.

Image of below of the full disruption notices as appears in the National Rail Enquiries App when doing a search for train times on the South West Trains network during the disruption.

All southern trains will pass P12 at Clapham Jn between 1600 and 2000 due to the expected queues at P11 for SWT stopping services.

 

[swt_passenger]

Could it be a contingency in case the engineering blockade doesn't goto plan?

There is engineering work on the West of England line on some earlier weekends during September, it could just as easily be contingency for that, or just something yet to be confirmed as has been the case recently.

It is easy to assume everything is about Waterloo, but work goes on somewhere on the Wessex network on almost every weekend of the year irrespective of the Waterloo blockade.

 

[Rick1984]

That's the bit that's putting me off Waterloo.
Not the fear of not getting my train bit the suggestion of 30 min. ques and I'm sure I saw something about que lines.

Will just need to check how smoothly Southern are running on that day and make my decision

 

[infobleep]

All southern trains will pass P12 at Clapham Jn between 1600 and 2000 due to the expected queues at P11 for SWT stopping services.

I think they need to put a note to that effect on the online departure boards at Clapham Junction.

I doubt many Southern passengers would be aware.

 

[infobleep]

That's the bit that's putting me off Waterloo.
Not the fear of not getting my train bit the suggestion of 30 min. ques and I'm sure I saw something about que lines.

Will just need to check how smoothly Southern are running on that day and make my decision

Where is your end destination? One option is to start from another station but if you need to change platform islands on roite at all, by doing this, then you might end up in a queue anyway.

 

[Hophead]

I think they need to put a note to that effect on the online departure boards at Clapham Junction.

I doubt many Southern passengers would be aware.

First I've heard of it.

Although, now I've followed the link on Southern's website, the reduced service at Platform 12 between 16:00 & 20:00 is described:

There will be a reduced number of services calling at Clapham Junction towards London Victoria between 16:00 and 20:00 on Mondays to Fridays as certain services will not call at Clapham Junction to prevent overcrowding at the station. In general, only Mainline services (those that normally run non-stop between East Croydon and Clapham Junction) will be affected and Metro services will call as normal

There is also a dead link to TfL.

 

[infobleep]

First I've heard of it.

Although, now I've followed the link on Southern's website, the reduced service at Platform 12 between 16:00 & 20:00 is described:

There will be a reduced number of services calling at Clapham Junction towards London Victoria between 16:00 and 20:00 on Mondays to Fridays as certain services will not call at Clapham Junction to prevent overcrowding at the station. In general, only Mainline services (those that normally run non-stop between East Croydon and Clapham Junction) will be affected and Metro services will call as normal

There is also a dead link to TfL.

A dead link on Southern? Perhaps the link went on strike! Lame joke, I'll get me coat....

 

[swt_passenger]

A recent post by James H in the Southeastern diversion thread has a link to SE route learning videos that may be of interest:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3064477&postcount=99

 

[MatthewRead]

I received a leaflet about the Waterloo works it seems as though not on every day trains will be running via East Putney because I was planning to video some between there and Wimbledon could somebody please confirm?

 

[59CosG95]

I received a leaflet about the Waterloo works it seems as though not on every day trains will be running via East Putney because I was planning to video some between there and Wimbledon could somebody please confirm?

I can tell you that, if you're foolhard enough to be up at that time, this train is booked to run via East Putney without fail... http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W36911/2017/07/24/advanced

As for diversions, I haven't the foggiest. Just wanted let you & others know of WTT routing over the District Line.

 

[bb21]

I can tell you that, if you're foolhard enough to be up at that time, this train is booked to run via East Putney without fail... http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W36911/2017/07/24/advanced

I won't want to rely on that and getting up specifically for that train.

It has a pretty good record but a few times earlier in the year it ended up going up the mainline. Not sure whether it happened more recently.

 

[Olaf]

I will be travelling to Portsmouth Harbour on the 14th of August. Is my best plan to take the service from London Victoria instead.

The thought of putting my life in the hands of Southern gives me the fear of God!

Depending on where you live, you might want to look into booking flights via France to Southampton Airport.

 

[Dstock7080]

I received a leaflet about the Waterloo works it seems as though not on every day trains will be running via East Putney because I was planning to video some between there and Wimbledon could somebody please confirm?

"To maximise the number of trains in operation some South West Trains passenger services (10 or 12 cars) will be scheduled to operate non-stop over the District Line between Wimbledon and East Putney during peak periods on Mondays to Fridays, 7th to 25th August. During morning peak periods, South West Trains will operate 4 trains per hour towards London via the District Line route. During evening peak periods, South West Trains will operate 2 trains per hour from London via the District Line route."

 

[MatthewRead]

"To maximise the number of trains in operation some South West Trains passenger services (10 or 12 cars) will be scheduled to operate non-stop over the District Line between Wimbledon and East Putney during peak periods on Mondays to Fridays, 7th to 25th August. During morning peak periods, South West Trains will operate 4 trains per hour towards London via the District Line route. During evening peak periods, South West Trains will operate 2 trains per hour from London via the District Line route."

Won't that disrupt the District line service?

 

[Domh245]

Won't that disrupt the District line service?

Hopefully not, as explained here

 

[SpacePhoenix]

"To maximise the number of trains in operation some South West Trains passenger services (10 or 12 cars) will be scheduled to operate non-stop over the District Line between Wimbledon and East Putney during peak periods on Mondays to Fridays, 7th to 25th August. During morning peak periods, South West Trains will operate 4 trains per hour towards London via the District Line route. During evening peak periods, South West Trains will operate 2 trains per hour from London via the District Line route."

How much difference is there in the power drawn by either 3x450 or 2x444 and what an District Line S stock set would draw? Will the power supply need strengthening in that area?

 

[Malcolmffc]

How much difference is there in the power drawn by either 3x450 or 2x444 and what an District Line S stock set would draw? Will the power supply need strengthening in that area?

Presumably not given that 444s and 450s run over the route every day!

 

[swt_passenger]

I can tell you that, if you're foolhard enough to be up at that time, this train is booked to run via East Putney without fail... http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W36911/2017/07/24/advanced

As for diversions, I haven't the foggiest. Just wanted let you & others know of WTT routing over the District Line.

The number of additional trains over the District over the course of the whole day can be seen to be quite small on RTT, it is only about 12 trains spread over the whole day in addition to the normal, so was never going to massively impact the District. 34 up from the normal 22.

I already had this discussion with MatthewRead way back in post #44 this thread.

 

[swt_passenger]

How much difference is there in the power drawn by either 3x450 or 2x444 and what an District Line S stock set would draw? Will the power supply need strengthening in that area?

Not at all likely. There have been previous weekend engineering works when far more SWT services have run on that route than will run during the forthcoming blockade. There are differential speed limits for mainline units, and the restrictions in the SA limit power draw already.