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Blackpool often get involved in extensive rail replacement contracts, including on weekdays and Saturdays, so they clearly have a lot of spare capacity
It's a good job Blackpool are out on rail replacement contracts as the group of drivers who venture out when such work is on, are absolutely great. Really kind and helpful and really good at fixing issues. On the Greek Street blockade too they had full next stop screens and announcements working. Some firms struggled to provide a serviceable vehicle each day, and yet Blackpool Transport were really, really on the ball with it all.
 
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Not to sure whether their pre-programmed for any planned work but yes the next stop screens do work well when on any sort of Rail Work their employed on, even when Blackpool Transport have done Metrolink Replacement work in Manchester the next stop announcements and screens have worked perfectly.
 

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Any news of any fleet changes here?

I presume more ADL's are due with the Citaro's being advertised for sale?

Didn't the director several years ago state that after 5 years buses be replaced so even the baby E200's and some E400's must be well due replacement, unless that idea been scrapped now

There was talks of electric buses and the depot being rebuilt with new engineering facilities has any of this happened yet?

Seems to have all gone quiet over Blackpool Transport this year
 

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There was talks of electric buses and the depot being rebuilt with new engineering facilities has any of this happened yet?
In terms of electric buses the ADL order is (still o_O) pending, as per Blackpool Council's FoI reply to me. The ZEBRA grant is also unchanged since the 25-bus (£3,929,779) reduction two years ago.
 

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Their newest vehicles are 20-plate, so yeah the whole fleet should be due for replacement based on that 5 year statement! Guessing it has been quietly dropped now
 

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Their newest vehicles are 20-plate, so yeah the whole fleet should be due for replacement based on that 5 year statement! Guessing it has been quietly dropped now
But they have the 15 plate Citaro's and baby 18 plate E200's they should have been well replaced by now so guess that promise has been removed

Remember it was on Blackpool transports own YouTube account but looks like that account no longer exists
 

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But they have the 15 plate Citaro's and baby 18 plate E200's they should have been well replaced by now so guess that promise has been removed

Remember it was on Blackpool transports own YouTube account but looks like that account no longer exists
As mentioned further up this thread, all the citaro’s are for sale.

In terms of electric buses the ADL order is (still o_O) pending, as per Blackpool Council's FoI reply to me. The ZEBRA grant is also unchanged since the 25-bus (£3,929,779) reduction two years ago.
With this confirmed then, they’re hardly likely to go purchasing more diesel buses meantime as that’s counter productive, whatever (loose) rule they have in place for -5 year old vehicles. Once the mess is sorted out eventually the electrics will replace everything anyway - and they certainly won’t be renewing those every 5 years!!

On a side note, a reduction of 25 buses is quite substantial. Have they really lost/cut back on that much work?
 

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As mentioned further up this thread, all the citaro’s are for sale.


With this confirmed then, they’re hardly likely to go purchasing more diesel buses meantime as that’s counter productive, whatever (loose) rule they have in place for -5 year old vehicles. Once the mess is sorted out eventually the electrics will replace everything anyway - and they certainly won’t be renewing those every 5 years!!

On a side note, a reduction of 25 buses is quite substantial. Have they really lost/cut back on that much work?
Yes. PVR Jan 24 was 75 v 97 in 2018.
 

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It's interesting to see from the Annual Bus Statistics that patronage within the Blackpool Council area has dropped by 600,000 passengers in the 2024/25 financial year when compared to the 2023/24. This suggests either the North Station Tram has taken a lot of people from buses, or something quite big has changed on the bus network to heavily discourage passengers.

(data from Govt Annual Bus Stats https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...ata-tables#local-bus-passenger-journeys-bus01 Download file BUS01, table BUS01e)
 

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Just seen on Blackpool Transport's Facebook page they have been crowned UK bus operator of the year

Also a link to the article on there website

 

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Didn't the director several years ago state that after 5 years buses be replaced so even the baby E200's and some E400's must be well due replacement, unless that idea been scrapped now
Their newest vehicles are 20-plate, so yeah the whole fleet should be due for replacement based on that 5 year statement! Guessing it has been quietly dropped now

From what I can see online, that idea stems from before a rather major event that upended the bus industry (and much else) in Spring 2020. I don't think much store can be set by it now.
 

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From what I can see online, that idea stems from before a rather major event that upended the bus industry (and much else) in Spring 2020. I don't think much store can be set by it now.
I doubt Covid can be blamed. It was completely unrealistic well before that came about!
 

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It's interesting to see from the Annual Bus Statistics that patronage within the Blackpool Council area has dropped by 600,000 passengers in the 2024/25 financial year when compared to the 2023/24. This suggests either the North Station Tram has taken a lot of people from buses, or something quite big has changed on the bus network to heavily discourage passengers.

(data from Govt Annual Bus Stats https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...ata-tables#local-bus-passenger-journeys-bus01 Download file BUS01, table BUS01e)
Be interesting to see the tram passenger figures for the same period, as there's been a much improved timetable in place for most of the year. There seemed to be a fair few schoolchildren changing between bus and tram at North Station when i visited earlier in the year, but I can't imagine the North Station stop would've replaced many bus journeys as such.
 

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Wasn't the promenade bus service severely cut in 2024 and the service between Starr Gate & North Pier stopped altogether? There were an awful lot of pensioners using the bus for free between those stops and beyond. Not 600,000 I'll agree but probably several hundred journeys a day during the season.
 

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Wasn't the promenade bus service severely cut in 2024 and the service between Starr Gate & North Pier stopped altogether? There were an awful lot of pensioners using the bus for free between those stops and beyond. Not 600,000 I'll agree but probably several hundred journeys a day during the season.
Transpora run the bus along the prom now I believe
 

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Is Blackpool Transport still due there Electric Buses also has Rigby Road had the rebuild they were meant to have a year ago
 

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I live in Blackpool and so far, no electric buses are in traffic
I remember reading they had won a grant and buses were on order

Has the depot even been set up for electrics yet I believe they was going to rebuild the sheds at the side and back of depot
 

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Their MD Jane Cole is set to retire this year

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I remember reading they had won a grant and buses were on order

Has the depot even been set up for electrics yet I believe they was going to rebuild the sheds at the side and back of depot
Given the reported recent financial prop of half a million being needed “to pay the bills”, might it might be reasonable to suggest that BT would have problems meeting whatever their side of the bargain was meant to be currently?
 

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Given the reported recent financial prop of half a million being needed “to pay the bills”, might it might be reasonable to suggest that BT would have problems meeting whatever their side of the bargain was meant to be currently?
Are you able to share a link to that report?
 

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Blackpool's Network to change from next month. Highlights include

5 has been extended to Fleetwood from Cleveleys as BT has been awarded a tender from LCC from Cleveleys to Fleetwood replacing Transpora 24

5A/5B will no longer use Lytham Road and go straight down St Annes Road, and at the southern end of the routes

the 5A and 5B will run in a loop around: Highfield Road, Midgeland Road, Progress Way, Common Edge Road, Vickers Way (the new link road between Common Edge Road and the Enterprise Zone), Amy Johnson Way and past Morrisons to Halfway House.
The 5A runs anticlockwise around this loop, the 5B runs Clockwise.


7 been extended back to Lytham replacing the 11A

7A been renumbered the 8

11B renumbered to 10

12 withdrawn and replaced by an extended 18, between Blackpool Victoria Hospital to Bispham and Poulton

18 will now be extended to Poulton from the hospital and cover the withdrawn 12 from Hospital to Bispham to Poulton
It will also run direct down whitegate drive instead of West Park Drive and the 18 will serve Peel Park Monday to Friday
 

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Blackpool's Network to change from next month. Highlights include

5 has been extended to Fleetwood from Cleveleys as BT has been awarded a tender from LCC from Cleveleys to Fleetwood replacing Transpora 24

5A/5B will no longer use Lytham Road and go straight down St Annes Road, and at the southern end of the routes

the 5A and 5B will run in a loop around: Highfield Road, Midgeland Road, Progress Way, Common Edge Road, Vickers Way (the new link road between Common Edge Road and the Enterprise Zone), Amy Johnson Way and past Morrisons to Halfway House.
The 5A runs anticlockwise around this loop, the 5B runs Clockwise.


7 been extended back to Lytham replacing the 11A

7A been renumbered the 8

11B renumbered to 10

12 withdrawn and replaced by an extended 18, between Blackpool Victoria Hospital to Bispham and Poulton

18 will now be extended to Poulton from the hospital and cover the withdrawn 12 from Hospital to Bispham to Poulton
It will also run direct down whitegate drive instead of West Park Drive and the 18 will serve Peel Park Monday to Friday
It’s good to see the move back away from the multitude of letter suffixes after customer feedback… it never made sense all the A/B/C’s after so many years of simple numbering!

They could have taken this opportunity to re-number the 5C to 2 - it’s nothing like the rest of the 5 series anyway!

The revised 18 is quite some route… an absolute tour of Blackpool almost doubling back on itself at one stage.
 
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Looking at 18 route reminds me of the old Blackpool Transport Lifestyle Line, that was quite a long route from what I remember and used to link other routes together at the time.
 

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I wonder if they will use bigger buses on the 18.

The highfield road section will have its worse bus service for decades since the 5A/5B go straight down St Annes Road
 

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It’s good to see the move back away from the multitude of letter suffixes after customer feedback… it never made sense all the A/B/C’s after so many years of simple numbering!

They could have taken this opportunity to re-number the 5C to 2 - it’s nothing like the rest of the 5 series anyway!

The revised 18 is quite some route… an absolute tour of Blackpool almost doubling back on itself at one stage.

I disagree with that, renumbering routes for the sake of it has the potential to annoy regular passengers, i'm reminded when Yellow Buses in Bournemouth appointed a new MD, wanting to put his stamp on the network he changed the network including all the numbers in the 2017 network changes, the changes annoyed regular users so they voted with there feet, the MD later resigned after the accounts were released that Yellow Buses lost a great deal of money (pre tax loses of £124.000 which came to £193.000 after tax), largely because of the changes, the new MD made network changes in 2018, which reverted Yellow Buses back to the network before the infamous 2017 changes, however the 2017 changes started the rot, & Yellow Buses ended up going into administration summer 2022, Covid didn't help either.

Be careful what you whish for.
 

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I disagree with that, renumbering routes for the sake of it has the potential to annoy regular passengers, i'm reminded when Yellow Buses in Bournemouth appointed a new MD, wanting to put his stamp on the network he changed the network including all the numbers in the 2017 network changes, the changes annoyed regular users so they voted with there feet, the MD later resigned after the accounts were released that Yellow Buses lost a great deal of money (pre tax loses of £124.000 which came to £193.000 after tax), largely because of the changes, the new MD made network changes in 2018, which reverted Yellow Buses back to the network before the infamous 2017 changes, however the 2017 changes started the rot, & Yellow Buses ended up going into administration summer 2022, Covid didn't help either.

Be careful what you whish for.
To be fair I doubt Blackpool Transport could lose any more money than they have over the last ten years! They are a financial basket case.
 

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I disagree with that, renumbering routes for the sake of it has the potential to annoy regular passengers, i'm reminded when Yellow Buses in Bournemouth appointed a new MD, wanting to put his stamp on the network he changed the network including all the numbers in the 2017 network changes, the changes annoyed regular users so they voted with there feet, the MD later resigned after the accounts were released that Yellow Buses lost a great deal of money (pre tax loses of £124.000 which came to £193.000 after tax), largely because of the changes, the new MD made network changes in 2018, which reverted Yellow Buses back to the network before the infamous 2017 changes, however the 2017 changes started the rot, & Yellow Buses ended up going into administration summer 2022, Covid didn't help either.

Be careful what you whish for.
However in this case, it’s the customers themselves (so Blackpool Transport say anyway) that have requested the return to simple numbering.

Blackpool are arguably in a stronger position than Yellow Buses, and they also don’t really have a direct competitor across their network.

Interesting here also that the 7 has basically returned to what it was in Metro Coastlines days.
 

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