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Birmingham - Sandwell & Dudley - Wolverhampton this evening (Thurs 28th)

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Let's talk about Thursday evening peak out of Birmingham. :lol:

The line between Wolverhampton and Sandwell & Dudley closed at 3pm for engineering work until start of service on Tuesday. The diversion via Bescot is unavailable too as the work is close enough to Wolverhampton station. Nothing is able to run on tracks into or out of the south end of Wolverhampton for this entire time. For those unfamiliar with the line between here and Birmingham, it's double tracked, and Sandwell & Dudley is about half way along.

London Midland put on a woefully inadequate half hourly 2-car 170 shuttle between New Street and Sandwell & Dudley. If it wasn't for this, it would be busses the whole way. They are departing at the times the normal all-stops trains run from Birmingham.

The 1738 this evening was so full it left people on the platform with a hald hour wait until the next one. I understand from various reports on twiter, that trains through to 2038 were full and standing. There were queues for the replacement buses at Sandwell & Dudley at 1800 even after three had filled and left.

Many people making this journey will have been travelling beyond Wolverhampton, to places like Telford, Shrewsbury and those in between, and Penkridge, with no alternative option of the Midland Metro tram due to not having multi-modal season tickets. On Tuesday due to overhead line damage, LM arranged ticket acceptance on the Metro; they didn't do it tonight because they had put in their own alternative arrangements.

Remember, it's Maundy Thursday, the last working day before a bank holiday weekend, one of the busiest days of the year on the railway according to a recent television documentary. I don't have any figures for the number of commuters between Birmingham and Wolverhampton and beyond but given the crowding of peak hour services on a normal day, I'd put them in the tens of thousands.

Let's simplify this: a half-hourly two coach train service and a handful of buses taking the place of what's normally 10-11 trains per hour on one of the busiest days for travel in the year. Poor doesn't even come close.

LM got a lot of stick on twitter tonight for this shambles, and rightly so. By the evening they were admitting that they had underestimated the number of people that would be using this service. It might be fine for the rest of the long weekend, but it was completely inadequate this evening.

They claimed that they were using their rolling stock to capacity. If they knew this was what they'd have available, they could have informed their passengers in advance that they expected these services to be busy. I think many passengers expected longer trains to be used on the Sandwell Shuttle, as there's been no mention of electrics not being available.

It seems a shame that it should fall on one out of 4 TOCs to organise any kind of service. VT and ATW simply terminated short of their destinations, XC seemed to abandon Wolverhampton altogether (although I understand some of the late night buses are of ATW's organising).

Surely some of the responsibility should fall on other TOCs, who have spare rolling stock available, and a collaborative effort to run a better service should have been made. On the face of it they appear to have done bugger all and left everything to LM.

XC have a Voyager and a 170 sat at Birmingham New Street doing nothing most days, and all of ATW's rolling stock is diesel, perhaps some temporary loaning could have been done to strengthen the shuttle this evening.

I am told the works needed to start so early because of the time it would take to complete them. Surely it would be better for them to start later this evening and finish later on Tuesday morning, when services will be naturally quieter anyway with it being school holidays?

Also, Smethwick Galton Bridge was business as usual on the Snow Hill lines, yet people still took New Street trains to SGB, and were waiting for them in the other direction even though trains to Snow Hill are more frequent; perhaps the shuttle should have been non-stop to SAD?

What went right?
Use of Wolverhampton bus station rather than the rail station forecourt for the rail replacement buses was an excellent decision.
Extensive announcements and organisation by bus staff at Sandwell & Dudley who kept everyone calm and informed despite volume of passengers.
That's about it really.
 
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Just think if New street was ran by LM? :lol: Sounds like a typical Farce if you ask me but having all of their stock out sounds a bit strange tbh i think it could be a case of the invisible drivers!, i was coming back to Rugby this afternoon from New Street and the scheduled LM service (Might of been the 15.30 service to euston) was cancelled due to having No driver!

According to a Network rail staffer at the new street Lm were trying to find a driver, They never found him and i know that LM are/have been looking for qualified drivers to join them (not the invilsble drivers), but if LM seem to be serial offenders at cancelling trains accross their network due to a lack of drivers.

Lm need to get themselves back to favour with the public (Saying they have a franchise extention)why don't they simply look for a trainee drivers???,then surely trains from in and around Brum that start at new street would not be cancelled and be able to run extra trains in the peak hours!
 

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Lm need to get themselves back to favour with the public (Saying they have a franchise extention)why don't they simply look for a trainee drivers???,then surely trains from in and around Brum that start at new street would not be cancelled and be able to run extra trains in the peak hours!

It isnt as simple as just hiring drivers, it takes 1 YEAR to train each driver up, LM were recruiting last year too.
 

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You also need enough Driver Instructors to mentor all the new Trainee Drivers...
 

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It seems a shame that it should fall on one out of 4 TOCs to organise any kind of service. VT and ATW simply terminated short of their destinations, XC seemed to abandon Wolverhampton altogether (although I understand some of the late night buses are of ATW's organising).

Short of re-writing their entire timetables for the day across the entire country what do you expect XC and ATW to have done? XC could not call at Wolves without reversing and reversing again at Bushbury, they would never have contemplated that. The same goes for ATW, they wouldn't have been able to operate a normal weekday service by doing that.
 

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Surely for something like this if nothing else they could have borrowed a set of stock off the Severn Valley Railway to run up and down between New Street and Sandwell. As it would be the only stock on the line, a derogation against the rules on using Mk1's because of their lack of crash worthyness etc should be a nod through.
 

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Surely for something like this if nothing else they could have borrowed a set of stock off the Severn Valley Railway to run up and down between New Street and Sandwell. As it would be the only stock on the line, a derogation against the rules on using Mk1's because of their lack of crash worthyness etc should be a nod through.

Stock on the SVR isn't mainline registered, plus you have problems of crews signing locos. In your dreams...

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With a 2 car 170 being used on Birmingham New Street to Sandwell & Dudley shuttles, I presume that either LM hasn't any spare EMUs or the OHLE is isolated?


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I thought a better managment of resources would of been to use a 153 to do the shuttles ;) joke aside.

Maybe if someone tweets LM they may be able to give an answer as to why a 2 car is running the shuttles.
 

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Surely for something like this if nothing else they could have borrowed a set of stock off the Severn Valley Railway to run up and down between New Street and Sandwell. As it would be the only stock on the line, a derogation against the rules on using Mk1's because of their lack of crash worthyness etc should be a nod through.

Surely it would be (slightly) easier for virgin to have provided the pretendolino coaches hauled by a 57.
 

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I thought a better managment of resources would of been to use a 153 to do the shuttles ;) joke aside.

Maybe if someone tweets LM they may be able to give an answer as to why a 2 car is running the shuttles.

I asked last night, they told me that's all they had available. I assume they are from the Chase line as they're running reduced service there for example yesterday:
Due to planned engineering work the following alterations to train services between Birmingham New Street and Walsall/Rugeley Trent Valley will apply:

1347 Birmingham New Street -Walsall will not run
1431 Walsall-Birmingham New Street will not run
1539 Birmingham New Street-Rugeley Trent Valley will not run
1642 Rugeley Trent Valley-Birmingham New Street will not run
1812 Birmingham New Street-Rugeley Trent Valley will not run
1914 Rugeley Trent Valley-Birmingham New Street will not run

As I posted above, I don't know why any of the 3 other TOCs affected couldn't provide rolling stock for the Sandwell shuttle.
 

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I asked last night, they told me that's all they had available. I assume they are from the Chase line as they're running reduced service there for example yesterday:


As I posted above, I don't know why any of the 3 other TOCs affected couldn't provide rolling stock for the Sandwell shuttle.

You mean something like have Virgin run the service that normally runs to Wolves calling at Sandwell & Dudley terminate at Sandwell & Dudley instead, and maybe, if there was a lot of people doing Birmingham - Smethwick Galton Bridge, have the 'stoppers' call at Smethwick Rolfe Street then Sandwell & Dudley, and redirect the people for Galton Bridge to Moor Street/Snow Hill?
 

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Not sure they would be able to run through from Euston to Sandwell & Dudley as they would only be able to run Voyagers from Birmingham New Street.

I was thinking more along the lines of providing additional rolling stock for the shuttle, so it could run more frequently and with more coaches, VT or XC could probably provide a Voyager each for this, or ATW probably have stock not being used because of this work.

I'm pretty sure the platforms at Smethwick Galton Bridge are long enough for a 5-car Voyager. Not sure about Rolfe Street though, the longest things calling there currently are 4-car 350s.

You'd still have to call at SGB for people going to/from Sandwell & Dudley, but to ease capacity it could be pick-up/set-down only, encouraging Birmingham-bound passengers to use the Snow Hill lines.
 

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LM are probably the only TOC that signs the shunt at Sandwell and Dudley.

That's along the lines of what I was thinking.

So how do they turn back from the down to the up at S & D, do they have to go into the former oil siding spur at Albion (it's quite short) or has there been a X'over installed somewhere else in recent years?
 

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Albion itself is disconnected but the crossover is still there, they stop behind a dolly NS363 on the down main.
 

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Why didn't LM just replace the normal stopping service with buses fron Birmingham New Street to Wolverhampton, one only stopping at Sandwell & Dudley and another being non stop?

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One reason I'd imagine is because by the time you got out of Birmingham in the evening peak you'd have been quicker walking home to Wolverhampton.
 

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On Tuesday due to overhead line damage, LM arranged ticket acceptance on the Metro; they didn't do it tonight because they had put in their own alternative arrangements.

From tomorrow for two weeks the Metro is closed as the platforms are to be lengthened for the new trams. Wolverhampton is indeed cut off from Birmingham this weekend, except for the 126 bus and the meagre train and replacement bus via Sandwell and Dudley. Presumably there is only one train doing the shuttle as the journey is 12 minutes.

It all sounds like a botched job done on the cheap! I know LM can't pull trains out of thin air, but if they couldn't find the trains they could have arranged buses from New St to Wolverhampton in addition to the S+D services.
 

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Not sure where your coming from, whats happening is fully signaled as explained above.

I meant as in having a Pilotman to Pilot over the shunt at Sandwell and Dudley so that a driver from XC or Virgin could be used for longer rolling stock.
 
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I meant as in having a Pilotman to Pilot over the shunt at Sandwell and Dudley so that a driver from XC or Virgin could be used for longer rolling stock.

Where would you magic up these drivers from seeing as both operators are running a full service?
 

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I agree, where do you get extra drivers from when LM already have a shortage in train crew.

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LM are probably the only TOC that signs the shunt at Sandwell and Dudley.
If it's just a simple move through a trailing crossover from one running line to the other, surely anyone who signs the route can do the shunt in question? Fair enough if the turnback move takes them onto another route or otherwise beyond the extent of their route knowledge - but that's not the case here, is it?
 

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A 2 car class 170 was not enough to convey passengers, as much as I love the turbostars, at least a 3/2+2 was required, I hopped on/and later off, at Galton Bridge, there were no free seats, but many passengers with heavy/loads of luggage. For a railway line that sees 10TPH, the majority of trains relatively busy, I agree, this is quite poor
 
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I was on a Cross Country from Manchester to New Street on Thursday afternoon. Got to within a mile or so of Wolverhampton station then started on out magical mystery tour via Bescott-Tame Bridge Parkway-Hampstead, before passing over Midland Metro and rejoining the main line at the Midland Midland depot. Was quite curious and unusual, although it did arrive at New Street 15 minutes (or so) later than the usual route would have been.
 
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