Big pond

[marshman]

I decided to take time away from my whippets and pigeons and go to London for a day. My head is now spinning after searching.

Here is my plan.

2 adults and 2 kids under 11 travelling sat 16th April.
Plan is to start at Richmond (zone 4) and then do some sights in London (zone 1) then return to Richmond.

If I have this right, I buy two adult travelcards for zone 1-4 off peak at £7:30 each and this is all I need for unlimited travel for us all that day?

A quick yes or no or any pointers will be greatly appreciated with thanks and smilies given out as a thank you.

My heads a shed. Took me for ever to come up with this answer, which seems so simple but after the scouring so many sites it also seems too simple to be true.

 

[wintonian]

And 2 £3.00 child travelcards or buy Oyseter cards (£5 deposit) and be capped at £7.30 adult or £1.30 child.

TFL fares

 

[Mike395]

And 2 £3.00 child travelcards or buy Oyseter cards (£5 deposit) and be capped at £7.30 adult or £1.30 child.

TFL fares

So long so you don't use NR (i.e. TFL-managed transport only such as the buses, tube, and DLR) then children under 11 travel free (it also does state 'Some NR routes' on http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14554.aspx but doesn't make it clear which ones!)

 

[wintonian]

Didn't know that, it does seem to make the various 5-10 yr old fares rather pointless.

 

[MikeWh]

So long so you don't use NR (i.e. TFL-managed transport only such as the buses, tube, and DLR) then children under 11 travel free (it also does state 'Some NR routes' on http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14554.aspx but doesn't make it clear which ones!)

The NR routes are those coloured green on this map.

 

[island]

And 2 £3.00 child travelcards or buy Oyseter cards (£5 deposit) and be capped at £7.30 adult or £1.30 child.

TFL fares

The child cap only applies to Child Oyster photocards.

 

[FGWman]

Didn't know that, it does seem to make the various 5-10 yr old fares rather pointless.

Kids only travel free with an adult. If travelling on their own they they have to pay. They go free on Underground, Buses and London Overground. ON NR they have to pay.

 

[MikeWh]

Kids only travel free with an adult. If travelling on their own they they have to pay. They go free on Underground, Buses and London Overground. ON NR they have to pay.

That's too much of a simplification, unfortunately. Kids aged 5-10 go free when accompanied by an adult, or alone if they have a 5-10 zip Oyster card. They are free on buses with or without an adult or a card. On railways they are free (with either an adult or a card) if it is Underground, DLR, Overground or the other National Rail routes coloured in green on the map I linked to in my earlier post. These are the routes which accepted Oyster prior to November 2009.

 

[RJ]

And 2 £3.00 child travelcards or buy Oyseter cards (£5 deposit) and be capped at £7.30 adult or £1.30 child.

TFL fares

You can't buy a child Oystercard "over the counter" - they'd need a paper ticket.

 

[marshman]

Thanks everyone for the help, glad I was on the right path (or should that be track?).

 

[FGWman]

That's too much of a simplification, unfortunately. Kids aged 5-10 go free when accompanied by an adult, or alone if they have a 5-10 zip Oyster card. .

No thats not right. If they have a 5 - 10 oyster zip card they still have to pay if they travel alone on the tube. The max daily fare is £1. They are free if travelling with an adult but if they swipe their zip card they will be charged.

 

[MikeWh]

No thats not right. If they have a 5 - 10 oyster zip card they still have to pay if they travel alone on the tube. The max daily fare is £1. They are free if travelling with an adult but if they swipe their zip card they will be charged.

Not according to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx when you click on the 5-10 tab.

Free when with an adult (up to four children per adult) or when using a 5-10 Zip Oyster photocard

And I think you'll find that the maximum daily fare is now £1.30 and applies after 09.30.

 

[yorkie]

No thats not right. If they have a 5 - 10 oyster zip card they still have to pay if they travel alone on the tube. The max daily fare is £1. They are free if travelling with an adult but if they swipe their zip card they will be charged.

Can you provide a source for this please?

With respect, MikeWh would know this, so I'd be very surprised if he's not right.

 

[Mike395]

MikeWh is right, details are on the link I posted further up the thread (which MikeWh has also relinked to)

 

[sheika]

Whats an oyster card?

 

[SS4]

Whats an oyster card?

Short: A smart travelcard used on public transport in Greater London

Longer: A smart travelcard used on public transport in Greater London set to give a lower price than the equivalent paper ticket

Longest:
A smart travelcard used on public transport in Greater London set to give a lower price than the equivalent paper ticket on tube, bus, tram and NR services. Credit is loaded onto it at a station, online or by phone and this is pay as you go. Season tickets may also be loaded onto it for regular travellers, akin to one's bus or train pass outside London but you first must pay a £5 deposit (refundable on surrendering the card but it's easier to keep it IMO) for the card itself.


Pay as you go is best for occasional visitors

 

[sheika]

Ahhh I see. No wonder I've never
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heard of them before. lol Thanks
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Does anyone know why when I post it doesnt show me a list of smilies I can use?

 

[SS4]

I have one (I live outside London) because it's cheaper and I can load my railcard onto it. In addition I'm too lazy to hand it back in and it makes getting through gates much quicker.

 

[sheika]

I have one (I live outside London) because it's cheaper and I can load my railcard onto it. In addition I'm too lazy to hand it back in and it makes getting through gates much quicker.

Is it a card or some sort of wee electronic device?

 

[ainsworth74]

Does anyone know why when I post it doesnt show me a list of smilies I can use?

If you click "go advanced" it will take you to another page where you have more powerful tools for constructing your posts, this includes more emoticons

Also welcome aboard!

 

[sheika]

Oh i see Thanks

And thank you. Hope to get to know everyone on here shortly.

 

[SS4]

Is it a card or some sort of wee electronic device?

Both. It's an electronic device that is the shape of a credit card.

To say a thousand words:

http://images.google.com is a good source

 

[MikeWh]

Is it a card or some sort of wee electronic device?

A bit of both really. It's made of plastic, the same size as a credit card, and contains an RFID chip which stores the information about travelcards, journey history, PAYG balance etc etc. When you lay it flat on a reader (called touching) the reader detects the prescence of the chip and reads/updates the information.

I'm not quite sure why it's funny though. It's revolutionised travel in London and many people would never dream of using anything else when travelling about the capital.

 

[island]

A smart travelcard used on public transport in Greater London set to give a lower price than the equivalent paper ticket on tube, bus, tram and NR services.

Most of the time.

 

[sheika]

A bit of both really. It's made of plastic, the same size as a credit card, and contains an RFID chip which stores the information about travelcards, journey history, PAYG balance etc etc. When you lay it flat on a reader (called touching) the reader detects the prescence of the chip and reads/updates the information.

I'm not quite sure why it's funny though. It's revolutionised travel in London and many people would never dream of using anything else when travelling about the capital.

Laughing at my stupidity