Xenophon PCDGS
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What is the reason for the traffic slowness on the M60 high-level bridge that you refer to above?
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That would be congestion.
Xenophon PCDGS
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How far in both directions from the high-level bridge does this congestion occur? Is it anything to do with any long-running roadworks?
Shaw S Hunter
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It's always been very busy, widening hasn't made that much difference. Remember the high-level means exactly that so long approach ramps either side which are almost guaranteed to snarl up with HGVs. Standstills are less common but heavy going is a regular experience. Tends to be the same story on similar bridges through much of Europe.
Statto
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I caught the 100 last year (the 13.30 Shudehill to Warrington) whilst the bus left Eccles on time, the bus got delayed by the time we reached the Trafford Centre, because of the traffic was very heavy down Barton Road & past the swing bridge, why i suggested rerouting the 100 away from that area.
pokemonsuper9
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How would you re-route it between Eccles and Trafford that wouldn't just end up in more traffic?
The only ways across the canal going in the same direction are:
M62 - Could be used but would skip a lot of stops and can get stuck in a lot of traffic.
Liverpool Road - As current
Barton Lane - Forcibly changes any double deckers to single deckers.
Xenophon PCDGS
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The problems discussed in recent postings do raise the point that those charged with public transport operations in the area in question have been aware of possible implications for many years.
I don't see diverting buses away from Barton Road (which doesn't even have the low bridge) being a goer. Going via the M60 or the lifting bridge looks like it'd add up to 10 minutes to the journey between the Trafford Centre and Eccles, and would be prone to delays due to frequent congestion on the motorway. And no doubt there would be many complaints from the residents around Barton Road at going from 10 buses per hour to nothing. It'd be a very expensive way to make the service worse.
WibbleWobble
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The only thing that I've seen publicised is a very minor change to some morning peak journeys on the 35.
Xenophon PCDGS
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But that sees a reduction from four buses/hour (15 minute service) to three buses/hour (20 minute service).
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I am 80 years of age and in my inbox, there is an email from TfGM (Bee Network) stating that holders of TfGM-issued ENCTS passes and disabled passes in the month of August 2025 can travel free on Bee Network administered bus services in the Monday to Friday pre-0930 embargoed time. It states this does not apply to passes issued by other authorities.
Has anyone else on this thread with a TfGM-issued pass received such an email?
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I saw something about this on x.... Link here https://news.tfgm.com/press-release...ee-round-the-clock-bus-travel-from-1st-august
Howardh
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Yes, looking forward to may 24-hour free travel! Ends the end of August but I understand it's experimental and may be extended. Not to bothered about the morning peak cut-off but would like the national weekday 11pm (midnight in Gtr Manchester) cut-off extended until 2am, so that young old night-owls like me can get home! Very few would use it I suppose, but then again extending wouldn't be that much of a loss - the majority would use it at weekends anyway so they "accept" the loss there, and it would put all of England under one system.
Statto
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I a'm surprised TfGM issued disabled ECNTS passes are time restricted in the GM area, were as on Merseyside, the Merseytravel equivalent doesn't have any time restrictions.
4cryingoutloud
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There's already a Disabled Plus version of the pass which isn't time restricted.
Xenophon PCDGS
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I do hope that all the drivers will be fully aware that today, 1st August is the start date of the one month trial.
Howardh
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Anyone travelling with Stagecoach 125 may find their card not accepted until 9.30am or after 11pm anyway, I've come across a service where the machine (and driver) won't accept my card after 11pm but before 12!
Xenophon PCDGS
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The 125 is not a Bee Network service, is it? The one month trial only applies to Bee Network services.
4cryingoutloud
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No, the trial is on all bus journeys within Greater Manchester but only for TfGM issued ENCTS passes https://tfgm.com/tickets-and-passes/discounted-and-free-travel/concession/trial
Xenophon PCDGS
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Thanks for that clarification.
Howardh
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Surely it's a Greater Manchester thing, and the trains have to accept them and they're not BeeNetwork? I've never had any issues using my pass on trains run by Northern between 11 and 12pm regardless of "trial" periods? The 125 runs between Bolton and the boundary at Horwich.
And the link adds this so Stagecoach should accept them anyway!
Forthcoming changes to Warrington - Lymm - Altrincham services with enhanced Bee Network 280 and 279 replaced by extended Warrington 5
https://www.warrington.gov.uk/news/more-bus-services-warrington-manchester
in summary:
5 (Altrincham - Sale - Lymm - Warrington) - Hourly
Service is diverted to run direct between Lymm and Altrincham via the current Bee Network 279 route, bringing back direct quicker links between Warrington and Altrincham. This will reduce end to end journey times by around 40 minutes.
5A (Lymm - Warrington) - Hourly
Service is extended beyond Lymm to Sale Metrolink via the current 5 route via Partington, Carrington and Ashton-on-Mersey.
279 (Lymm - Altrincham) Withdrawn
280 (Dunham Massey - Altrincham)
Service extended via Warburton to Lymm Cross running HOURLY
The 280 change means that for the first time since launch in January, people in Warburton will have access to a Bee Network operated bus as well as the £2 hopper ticket option, and tap and cap options. The change also means locals at Dunham Town/Massey/Woodhouse will have an hourly bus service (Currently every other hour)
https://www.warrington.gov.uk/news/more-bus-services-warrington-manchester
in summary:
5 (Altrincham - Sale - Lymm - Warrington) - Hourly
Service is diverted to run direct between Lymm and Altrincham via the current Bee Network 279 route, bringing back direct quicker links between Warrington and Altrincham. This will reduce end to end journey times by around 40 minutes.
5A (Lymm - Warrington) - Hourly
Service is extended beyond Lymm to Sale Metrolink via the current 5 route via Partington, Carrington and Ashton-on-Mersey.
279 (Lymm - Altrincham) Withdrawn
280 (Dunham Massey - Altrincham)
Service extended via Warburton to Lymm Cross running HOURLY
The 280 change means that for the first time since launch in January, people in Warburton will have access to a Bee Network operated bus as well as the £2 hopper ticket option, and tap and cap options. The change also means locals at Dunham Town/Massey/Woodhouse will have an hourly bus service (Currently every other hour)
daodao
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A welcome reversal (at least in part) of some of the suboptimal changes that occurred when the Bee Network was extended to areas formerly part of Cheshire on 5th January 2025.
Actual timetables and routes, and details of what (if any) services will be provided on evenings and Sundays/bank holidays, do not yet seem to be available.
A welcome reversal (at least in part) of some of the suboptimal changes that occurred when the Bee Network was extended to areas formerly part of Cheshire on 5th January 2025.
Actual timetables and routes, and details of what (if any) services will be provided on evenings and Sundays/bank holidays, do not yet seem to be available.
py_megapixel
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Does anyone know if there's a particular reason the 360 route exists? It runs only in one direction, only at 5:20am on weekday mornings.
It seems to be used to get a bus from Stockport in place for the first run of the day on the 358 from Hayfield. But the 360 only seems to be a few minutes shorter than the 358 anyway, so why not just run that move as a 358? Indeed the last 358 of the day does return from Hayfield as a 358 not a 360.
It seems to be used to get a bus from Stockport in place for the first run of the day on the 358 from Hayfield. But the 360 only seems to be a few minutes shorter than the 358 anyway, so why not just run that move as a 358? Indeed the last 358 of the day does return from Hayfield as a 358 not a 360.
markymark2000
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It's just there still from when the network was commercial. Stagecoach had the 360 as a commercial placement trip to save the bus running all the way to Hayfield not in service, and the 358 takes an extra 10 minutes than the 360.Does anyone know if there's a particular reason the 360 route exists? It runs only in one direction, only at 5:20am on weekday mornings.
It seems to be used to get a bus from Stockport in place for the first run of the day on the 358 from Hayfield. But the 360 only seems to be a few minutes shorter than the 358 anyway, so why not just run that move as a 358? Indeed the last 358 of the day does return from Hayfield as a 358 not a 360.
My guess that the 360 will be removed as/when Bee Network get around to revising the network.
mayneway
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Announced internally today that from the second week in September the 52 will slightly change route omitting the infamous canal bridge on Barton lane. Buses will still serve Trafford road but then use Cawdor street then go into and out of the Trafford centre like a 100.
Potentially it means double deckers could be used, however I doubt they will as IF the driver forgets to use Cawdor Street it’s another potential accident.
Potentially it means double deckers could be used, however I doubt they will as IF the driver forgets to use Cawdor Street it’s another potential accident.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Are the Bee Network running a "Spot the deliberate mistake" competition on their website? On the "Route and Timetable Changes" section, there is currently a very long list of changes, but near the end of the list, one entry headed
76 - Bus Service Changes, but underneath that heading, the reference refers to a school bus run by service 5 by Warrington's Own Buses....
UPDATE
After I rang TfGM about it, they thanked me and later updated the entry correctly. I did not win a prize.
76 - Bus Service Changes, but underneath that heading, the reference refers to a school bus run by service 5 by Warrington's Own Buses....
UPDATE
After I rang TfGM about it, they thanked me and later updated the entry correctly. I did not win a prize.
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Similarly, the 343 Oldham - Hyde says
More information and advice which takes you to the leaflet which says
"We’re making changes to the times of all journeys to improve reliability."
After all it is only a daily daytime route!!
343 - Bus Service Changes
Run by Bee Network. We are introducing new late night/early morning journeys from Thursday night/Friday morning to Saturday night/Sunday morning. This change is in place until further notice.More information and advice which takes you to the leaflet which says
"We’re making changes to the times of all journeys to improve reliability."
After all it is only a daily daytime route!!
Night bus services on the 343 would be one heck of an improvement!