BBC TV and computer weather forecasting.

[simonw]

On that basis, mid summers day is the beginning of summer??, and midwinter's day is the beginning of winter??
Actually, the four seasons defined by meteorologists does fit in quite well, after all those seasons are primarily about weather anyway. Those seasons are centered on the solstices with a 1-2 week delay, which is appropriate in the UK to allow for weather change inertia.

Start and end of the seasons is also affected by altitude and how far North or South one is.

 

[Buzby]

Doesn't he do the weather on LBC News

I do recall hearing him on Boom Radio, so if he’s doing the usual rounds his ‘big audience’ days are over!

 

[AM9]

Start and end of the seasons is also affected by altitude and how far North or South one is.

and ...?

 

[43096]

Fondly still remember Caroline Aherne as part of the Fast Show spoof of a Spanish TV show…. Everything was ‘Scorchio’…..

The brilliant Caroline Aherne in the best Fast Show Chanel 9 sketch...

 

[simonw]

and ...?

The start and end date of each season is different for different places.

 

[AM9]

The start and end date of each season is different for different places.

But the BBC reports national weather for the UK, and correspondingly gives the same dates for each season, whereas midsummer's/midwinter's days are fixed by astronomical events. neither moves from decade to decade. There are many other ideas about the first day of a quarter (frequently emotionally linked - especially spring and summer), but the four seasons are primarily about weather.

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Does anyone remember the one a song was written about...John Kettley.

and it included a mention of Michael Fish!

 

[Bevan Price]

The brilliant Caroline Aherne in the best Fast Show Chanel 9 sketch...

I think it was Kenny Everett, when on Pirate Radio, who said that if they hadn't received a weather forecast, they would invent one....

 

[Mcr Warrior]

BBC1 just faded out the evening news weather forecast whilst only halfway through so that a couple of trailers could be run for upcoming programmes. What gives?!

 

[Buzby]

What gives?!

Depends which regional feed you were watching. Certain areas need to run their local trails, it would be unusual for the main network feed to do this (watch for regional logos under ‘BBC’) it is their controller wot did it.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Depends which regional feed you were watching. Certain areas need to run their local trails, it would be unusual for the main network feed to do this (watch for regional logos under ‘BBC’) it is their controller wot did it.

BBC1 in North West England. Trails were for upcoming national programmes, not regional ones.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

BBC1 in North West England. Trails were for upcoming national programmes, not regional ones.

They did the same thing in the London region ( I'm assuming it was the weather after the 18.30 bulletin to which you refer? ).

At a guess, they over-ran a bit on the news and decided to chop part of the weather forecast rather than their precious trailers...

 

[Mcr Warrior]

They did the same thing in the London region ( I'm assuming it was the weather after the 18.10 bulletin to which you refer? ).

About 18:58 ish. So, not just North West England?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

About 18:58 ish. So, not just North West England?

Clearly not.

I wonder if any members in other TV regions were also watching and can report on their areas?


...and I've just corrected my typo on the time of the news.

 

[AM9]

Clearly not.

I wonder if any members in other TV regions were also watching and can report on their areas?


...and I've just corrected my typo on the time of the news.

Yes Elizabeth Rizzini was cut off in the BC London area as well. Maybe she'll set Frank Gardner of to deal with the culprit.
It's been stated by the BBC before that the trailers for future programmes are preloaded into the scheduler and cannot be removed in runtime. Particularly irritating when sports overrun, where the pundits get their 15-30 minutes regurgitating their views, then there's trailers advertising the later repeat of the event, lastly followed by the news which has the sporting event as a major headline rather than in its sports slot at the end.

 

[Buzby]

BC1 in North West England. Trails were for upcoming national programmes, not regional ones.

It doesn’t matter - even nationally networked shows get the branding of their region (just watch Freesat) in any event it is the local controllers who are responsible for the programme junctions.

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that the trailers for future programmes are preloaded into the scheduler and cannot be removed in runtime.

This is true to an extent, but the local controller not only has oversight but can remove/amend trails that are ‘spent’ due to events, timing or locality. Our service in Scotland has slightly different running orders on certain days and local programming so there isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach that is workable. It is also fun to watch when the London Server goes down and the regions fill the gap.

 

[AM9]

It doesn’t matter - even nationally networked shows get the branding of their region (just watch Freesat) in any event it is the local controllers who are responsible for the programme junctions.

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This is true to an extent, but the local controller not only has oversight but can remove/amend trails that are ‘spent’ due to events, timing or locality. Our service in Scotland has slightly different running orders on certain days and local programming so there isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach that is workable. It is also fun to watch when the London Server goes down and the regions fill the gap.

It seems to be that skipping trails may well be done when events would make their mandated broadcast embarassing, but "timing" - as in running late doesn't seem to carry the same importance. I have always seen the BBC (and generally BBC1) as the default view but am getting increasingly irritated by their lax attitude to timing, presentation of interface fill-ins and the 6-day trails'* repetition.
*Usually for a series, - immediately an episode has been shown, the traills start for next week's programme.

 

[Buzby]

Usually for a series, - immediately an episode has been shown, the traills start for next week's programme.

I think this is probably why I watch live TV less and less, there is very little that we cannot watch streamed or catch-up, indeed linear television is becoming an endangered species - by skipping the presentation links and advertising trails it’s like blocking cookies on your PC. The youth have already abandoned this way of consumption and I’ve joined them, it’s only a matter of time!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Yes Elizabeth Rizzini was cut off in the BC London area as well. Maybe she'll set Frank Gardner of to deal with the culprit.

What's the BC London area? It was plain London that I was referring to - wasn't aware of a second local region round here?

That makes a third area affected, I guess...?

 

[AM9]

What's the BC London area? It was plain London that I was referring to - wasn't aware of a second local region round here?

That makes a third area affected, I guess...?

Sorry, typo - BBC London. But yesterday evening, it was at the end of the early evening news reports , (i.e. the national and local/regional). The national forecast is normally after the local (which includes its own forecast) at weekends and with the 10 O'clock news. The weekday early evening news has its national in between the national and local sections.
So Elizabeth Rizzini - usually a London forecaster presented the national forecast (from the BBC London studio). It seems that the London forecasts is the entry route for the national job.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Sorry, typo - BBC London. But yesterday evening, it was at the end of the early evening news reports , (i.e. the national and local/regional). The national forecast is normally after the local (which includes its own forecast) at weekends and with the 10 O'clock news. The weekday early evening news has its national in between the national and local sections.
So Elizabeth Rizzini - usually a London forecaster presented the national forecast (from the BBC London studio). It seems that the London forecasts is the entry route for the national job.

I've seen her presenting the national weather before quite a few times.

Don't really pay much attention to the order of the forecasts, but yes - that rings a bell because I usually prefer to watch the national forecasts and I do recall sitting through the locals at weekends normally.

 

[AM9]

I've seen her presenting the national weather before quite a few times.

Don't really pay much attention to the order of the forecasts, but yes - that rings a bell because I usually prefer to watch the national forecasts and I do recall sitting through the locals at weekends normally.

I think she's been with BBC London for about 10 years.

 

[johntea]

The best weather forecast on the BBC is on BBC Look North (East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire) where Paul Hudson attempts to wind up Peter Levy on a regular basis

 

[AM9]

The best weather forecast on the BBC is on BBC Look North (East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire) where Paul Hudson attempts to wind up Peter Levy on a regular basis

Not much use to those living in the south-east though. Nevertheless, a few years ago it was quite entertaining watching Tomasz Schafernaker with Simon McCoy

 

[3141]

Whatever faults there may be, the BBC weather forecasts are a million times better than those headlines that appear regularly on Microsoft Start announcing "These maps show the exact date when a 583 mile wall of snow will smash into Britain " or "....scorching heat-plume from Africa to cause sweltering 24 degree threat to elderly" [it was 24 because we're in mid-September so that's all we're likely to get now].

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The BBC computer weather hourly-based forecast for our local area said there would be a three-hour period from 1100 to 1400 today that would have heavy rain and wind speeds over 40mph. In that very same time period, no rain fell and just a gentle breeze. How can they get it so wrong, yet have their adverts on the BBC TV channels saying how reliable their forecasts are?

 

[Gloster]

The BBC computer weather hourly-based forecast for our local area said there would be a three-hour period from 1100 to 1400 today that would have heavy rain and wind speeds over 40mph. In that very same time period, no rain fell and just a gentle breeze. How can they get it so wrong, yet have their adverts on the BBC TV channels saying how reliable their forecasts are?

You are lucky: I have been unable to get the BBC forecast for a day or two. Not that I use it much except to look at the pressure map. I stick to the Met Office‘s site. (Are you sure you had today’s: that sounds like tomorrow’s forecast.)

 

[Mcr Warrior]

The BBC computer weather hourly-based forecast for our local area said there would be a three-hour period from 1100 to 1400 today that would have heavy rain and wind speeds over 40mph. In that very same time period, no rain fell and just a gentle breeze. How can they get it so wrong, yet have their adverts on the BBC TV channels saying how reliable their forecasts are?

Are you maybe located close to the leading edge of the incoming weather system? Fairly sure it'll be decidedly damp soon enough.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Are you located right on the leading edge of the incoming weather system? Fairly sure it'll be damp soon enough.

After 1400, that same forecast shows a dramatic drop in wind speeds for the rest of the day, but from what you say, shall I now expect three hours of high winds. Just been in the garden and the trees are barely affected and it is dry.

 

[Tetchytyke]

After 1400, that same forecast shows a dramatic drop in wind speeds for the rest of the day, but from what you say, shall I now expect three hours of high winds. Just been in the garden and the trees are barely affected and it is dry.

You'll be getting it soon enough, we've had it in the Isle of Man all morning. Very windy out and absolutely bucketing it down.

Sometimes the weather fronts don't move quite as quickly as expected.

I generally don't bother with the BBC weather now. It's never been the same since the BBC moved their contract from the Met Office to Meteo Group. The Met Office tend to be much more accurate.

 

[75A]

Where I live in Northern Ireland I can see the Isle of Man and we haven't had a drop of rain. Similarly we haven't seen one flake of snow this winter. We've given up with all the weather forecasters they'll all as bad as each other.