BBC Question Time 22-10-09

[Oswyntail]

The BNP don't "hassle" anyone. Their fight is via the ballot box. More than can be said for Labour's stormtroopers who hurl abuse and egg's at democratically elected BNP representitives, gather for more troublemaking at BNP get togethers and the BBC studio's, attempt to damage the reputations of law abiding BNP members (and Ex-BNP members) who had their names and addresses made public via the infamous "leaked list", by submitting bogus financial applications in those names along with downright violent threats! Also, it's Labours socialist stasi who violently manhandle pensioners out of the Labour conference for the crime of exercising their right of free speech!
Just remind me again, who are the thugs and fascist's here?

Yes, there are thugs and fascists on both sides. Let us not forget the so-called "English Defence league" and marvel at this ridiculous case of over-the-top safety worries http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8331312.stm

 

[SouthEastern-465]

There is no 'uncontrolled immigration'. The only people allowed free access to live and work in the UK are those from the EU. Now you can argue that that is amistake under Labour, and I'm inclined to agree. but it is not 'uncontrolled'.
There is a piece in tonight's Evening Standard discussing this, but unfortunately my work computer doesn't seem to like their homepage, so I don't know if it's in the online edition.

To be honest we are overun by illegal immigrants who get everything they can out the goverment and pulling the racist card out all the time (happens to me all the time) and to be honest I am fed up with it on a daily basis.

Not saying there all like that,there are some great people from ethnic minoritys who do a good hard days work and pay tax for people sitting on there a*** all-day like council chavs who also take everything they can off the goverment.

 

[Oswyntail]

To be honest we are overun by illegal immigrants ....

You call it honesty - I call it wild, over the top, extremely hyperbolic exaggeration.

 

[Swift-Deere]

You call it honesty - I call it wild, over the top, extremely hyperbolic exaggeration.

Yes well said in reality more people leave the UK, than Actually enter it!!!

 

[TrainBrain185]

Yes well said in reality more people leave the UK, than Actually enter it!!!

Errrr, I wonder why??? Now please don't brand me Nazi, Facist, Bigot Racist etc etc, but is there a term called "White Flight" for a large number of people moving away from London and would rather long distance commute to London to their work???? Same may apply for more folk deciding to emigrate perhaps??

 

[Swift-Deere]

Errrr, I wonder why??? Now please don't brand me Nazi, Facist, Bigot Racist etc etc, but is there a term called "White Flight" for a large number of people moving away from London and would rather long distance commute to London to their work???? Same may apply for more folk deciding to emigrate perhaps??

Yes white flight does exist in areas like Blackburn for example but i don't think that people move to another country because an Asian family moved in next door, I think people just move because they get a better quality of life elsewhere, or for employment reasons

 

[EM2]

Yes white flight does exist in areas like Blackburn for example but i don't think that people move to another country because an Asian family moved in next door, I think people just move because they get a better quality of life elsewhere, or for employment reasons

And also because they save what they pay in commuting costs by buying a much cheaper property.
For example, a friend of mine commutes from Bournemouth, which costs him about £4k, but his house cost £25k less than the equivalent in the London suburbs.

 

[BlythPower]

More than can be said for Labour's stormtroopers who hurl abuse and egg's at democratically elected BNP representitives, gather for more troublemaking at BNP get togethers and the BBC studio's, attempt to damage the reputations of law abiding BNP members (and Ex-BNP members) who had their names and addresses made public via the infamous "leaked list", by submitting bogus financial applications in those names along with downright violent threats!

And you have evidence that all these people you accuse are members of the Labour party? Though not...

 

[SouthEastern-465]

You call it honesty - I call it wild, over the top, extremely hyperbolic exaggeration.

Well thats your opinion.

I think my opinion was perfectly ok and was not over the top you probally live in a community where you are not "Branded" racist for no reason.

I for one am fed up with black/asian shouting racial abuse at my mates while I am out calling them and me "White N*****" and other racial abuse which is perfectly ok for them and if we say somthing back its racist and we will probally get stabbed its just getting worse and worse every day this country and going down hill.

 

[Geezertronic]

Well thats your opinion.

I think my opinion was perfectly ok and was not over the top you probally live in a community where you are not "Branded" racist for no reason.

I for one am fed up with black/asian shouting racial abuse at my mates while I am out calling them and me "White N*****" and other racial abuse which is perfectly ok for them and if we say somthing back its racist and we will probally get stabbed its just getting worse and worse every day this country and going down hill.

I agree to an extent, some parts of Birmingham are no go areas for White people and not just when it is dark.

 

[Kneedown]

And you have evidence that all these people you accuse are members of the Labour party? Though not...

Do you have evidence that everyone who commits a "white on black" racial attack is a BNP member or supporter?

 

[thefab444]

Yes it is from an unreliable paper (i much prefer the paper you have linked to)

Yes, as we know, the Daily Mail never print anything that has been over-exaggerated, blown out of the water or cooked up from nothing do they?

Only centre-left papers do that. :roll:

 

[BlythPower]

Do you have evidence that everyone who commits a "white on black" racial attack is a BNP member or supporter?

No! That would be why I've never claimed it!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

To be honest we are overun by illegal immigrants who get everything they can out the goverment and pulling the racist card out all the time (happens to me all the time) and to be honest I am fed up with it on a daily basis.

Not saying there all like that,there are some great people from ethnic minoritys who do a good hard days work and pay tax for people sitting on there a*** all-day like council chavs who also take everything they can off the goverment.

Of course, It's only illegal immigrants that fiddle the goverment for benefits, or that pull out the racist card. It seems to me, from reading the thread, that the BNP supporting morons (my opinion) are assuming that ALL black/asian etc are illegal immigrants, whereas they have probably lived in England all their life. Should they then be deported?

 

[SouthEastern-465]

Of course, It's only illegal immigrants that fiddle the goverment for benefits, or that pull out the racist card. It seems to me, from reading the thread, that the BNP supporting morons (my opinion) are assuming that ALL black/asian etc are illegal immigrants, whereas they have probably lived in England all their life. Should they then be deported?

I did not say that all black/asian are all illegal immigrants so you are putting words in my mouth.

 

[Swift-Deere]

Yes, as we know, the Daily Mail never print anything that has been over-exaggerated, blown out of the water or cooked up from nothing do they?

Only centre-left papers do that. :roll:

Both kinds of news papers exaggerate things the only difference id the daily mail highlight important issues such as the braking down of UK society and the overly PC and heath and safety nature of this country

whereas the left wing papers blow rubbish out of preposition like global warming and how peoples rights are being "eroded" plus they are inherently anti capitalism, anti American, anti Israeli, anti west and anti uk which is not good at all!!!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I did not say that all black/asian are all illegal immigrants so you are putting words in my mouth.

That part was not aimed at you specifically.

 

[Oswyntail]

Both kinds of news papers exaggerate things the only difference id the daily mail highlight important issues such as the braking down of UK society and the overly PC and heath and safety nature of this country

whereas the left wing papers blow rubbish out of preposition like global warming and how peoples rights are being "eroded" plus they are inherently anti capitalism, anti American, anti Israeli, anti west and anti uk which is not good at all!!!

A very level-headed and equal handed post

 

[thefab444]

Both kinds of news papers exaggerate things the only difference id the daily mail highlight important issues such as the braking down of UK society and the overly PC and heath and safety nature of this country

All of which are non-stories and just used to convince readers that the only person who can save society, Britain and the world is David Cameron.

Of course, the Guardian is run by Communists, and the Independant is just a bunch of hippies. :roll:

 

[Swift-Deere]

All of which are non-stories and just used to convince readers that the only person who can save society, Britain and the world is David Cameron.

Of course, the Guardian is run by Communists, and the Independant is just a bunch of hippies. :roll:

David Cameron would be a rubbish primeminister

and yes the Guardian and Independent are ran be Communist and Hippie sympathisers, the kind of people who act in a way to damage the moral fabric of our society, reading BOTH the daily mail and the guardian today i found the mail to offer a more realistic view of the world and found some of the foul language used in the guardian quite revolting and offensive to be honist!!!

 

[the sniper]

Yes, there are thugs and fascists on both sides. Let us not forget the so-called "English Defence league" and marvel at this ridiculous case of over-the-top safety worries http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8331312.stm

I can't stand the EDL or the 'anti-Fascists' that come out to greet them at these things. I'm all for freedom of speech but both these groups seem have no regard for the authorities or the general public who have to endure their thuggish behaviour while just out shopping.

To be fair to the EDL though, from my experience of witnessing their various protests in Birmingham over the last couple of months, most of the real civil disorder has been caused by young Muslim youths out to cause trouble, while the EDL have mainly just been wind up merchants, making a lot of noise but backing down when the Police decide enough is enough. This is most probably intentional on the part of the EDL though, as they manage to make the Muslims look like the bad guys, when they are just as bad as each other in reality...

I agree to an extent, some parts of Birmingham are no go areas for White people and not just when it is dark.

And where are these areas then?

I assume your talking about somewhere like Aston, Ladywood or Nechells, if so, I think it's a bit of an over exaggeration to say they're 24hr no go areas. I'd have no problem walking or driving through them in the day, (admittedly, I wouldn't walk through them at night, but I could say that for a lot of areas in Brum) though I probably would avoid venturing into random cul-de-sacs, the same as I would if I was on a BNP sponsored council estate.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

and yes the Guardian and Independent are ran be Communist and Hippie sympathisers, the kind of people who act in a way to damage the moral fabric of our society, reading BOTH the daily mail and the guardian today i found the mail to offer a more realistic view of the world and found some of the foul language used in the guardian quite revolting and offensive to be honist!!!

The Guardian and the Independent are run by Communists and Hippies?!? I might as well say the Daily Mail is run by the BNP for the amount of anti-immigration they put across. Of course, the Guardian damages people's moral fabric by warning about global warming. Probably to the same extent that the Mail doesn't damage any moral fibres by suggesting that immigrants are evil, and that Mi5 killed Diana.

So - you found the Mail to give a more realistic view of the world. How would you know what a realisitic view of the world is, considering that the only reason that we know what is happening is because of the media, which, will exaggerate points for their political spectrum, so what is your realistic view?

Foul and offensive language in the Guardian? Please! Some evidence perhaps? or are we to take it upon your word that a Guardian reporter used "foul and offensive" language?
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whereas the left wing papers blow rubbish out of preposition like global warming and how peoples rights are being "eroded" plus they are inherently anti capitalism, anti American, anti Israeli, anti west and anti uk which is not good at all!!!

Global Warming IS a problem.
Peoples rights ARE being erodeed.
Nowhere did I see anything abount anti capitalism, anti american, anti Israeli, anti-west, or anti UK.

 

[Swift-Deere]

The Guardian and the Independent are run by Communists and Hippies?!? I might as well say the Daily Mail is run by the BNP for the amount of anti-immigration they put across. Of course, the Guardian damages people's moral fabric by warning about global warming. Probably to the same extent that the Mail doesn't damage any moral fibres by suggesting that immigrants are evil, and that Mi5 killed Diana.

So - you found the Mail to give a more realistic view of the world. How would you know what a realisitic view of the world is, considering that the only reason that we know what is happening is because of the media, which, will exaggerate points for their political spectrum, so what is your realistic view?

Foul and offensive language in the Guardian? Please! Some evidence perhaps? or are we to take it upon your word that a Guardian reporter used "foul and offensive" language?
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Global Warming IS a problem.
Peoples rights ARE being erodeed.
Nowhere did I see anything abount anti capitalism, anti american, anti Israeli, anti-west, or anti UK.

1 The Daily mail often insults the BNP, and even if if it does talk about immigrants i don't follow there stance (or at least perceived stance) on the issue immigration is as we all know a good thing and extremely beneficial!!!

2Global warming is a natural process as we are coming out a mini ice age it is NOT coursed by humans and there is enough evidence to back this up!!!

3My realistic view is a traditional common sense values that MOST of the UK population adhere to

4Seen as you want some foul and offensive language from the guardian read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2009/nov/12/top-gear-bbc-jeremy-clarkson hardly contains the kind of language a civilised person would use in public does it?

5 Not ones rights are being eroded, the necessary precautions are being put in place to combat crime and terrorism!!!

6Anti capitalist: the guardian glorifies countries like Cuba and Venezuela and people like Chi Gavra and Hugo Chavez!!!
Anti American The Guardian disrespected G W Bush
Anti Israli the guardian favors palestine in the middle east conflicts
Anti West look at the above points
Anti UK guardians lack of support for Iraq and Afganistan

 

[thefab444]

Seen as you want some foul and offensive language from the guardian read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2009/nov/12/top-gear-bbc-jeremy-clarkson hardly contains the kind of language a civilised person would use in public does it?

Aww, are the words too long for you?

Anti American The Guardian disrespected G W Bush

What, and nobody else in the world did? I should think practically everyone has "disrespected" George Bush Jnr at some point.

Anti Israli the guardian favors palestine in the middle east conflicts

What is so brilliant about favouring Israel? They're not exactly finding a peaceful solution; they aren't beyond blame.

Anti UK guardians lack of support for Iraq and Afganistan

So the majority of UK citizens are anti-UK then are they? I suppose that ties with your immigrant "swarming the UK" theory. :roll:

 

[Swift-Deere]

Aww, are the words too long for you?




What, and nobody else in the world did? I should think practically everyone has "disrespected" George Bush Jnr at some point.




What is so brilliant about favouring Israel? They're not exactly finding a peaceful solution; they aren't beyond blame.




So the majority of UK citizens are anti-UK then are they? I suppose that ties with your immigrant "swarming the UK" theory. :roll:

I was talking about the swearing in the article

George Bush was a good leader and deserved more respect

Israel are closer allies to us than the Palestinians

and i think immigrations a GOOD thing so i don't know what your last point is all about

 

[thefab444]

The majority of UK citizens, according to recent polls, believe we shouldn't be in Afghanistan (and you know how unpopular Iraq was with all the demonstrations). So you're saying that because these people are anti-Iraq War etc., they are Anti-UK. The Daily Mail peddles a load of rubbish about immigrants swarming this country, I was half expecting you to believe that the majority of the UK population was of immigrant background.

Name one thing that George Bush did that was "good". This includes any kind of suspected election fraud.

How are Israel closer allies to us than the Palestinians?

 

[Swift-Deere]

The majority of UK citizens, according to recent polls, believe we shouldn't be in Afghanistan (and you know how unpopular Iraq was with all the demonstrations). So you're saying that because these people are anti-Iraq War etc., they are Anti-UK. The Daily Mail peddles a load of rubbish about immigrates swarming this country, I was half expecting you to believe that the majority of the UK population was of immigrant background.

Name one thing that George Bush did that was "good". This excludes any kind of suspected election fraud.

Iraq Afganistan yes unpopular but we shoulsd sepoort the troops all way and keep up good morale

about only 12% of UK people are of immigrant background which is hardly a problem and as i keep stresing Immagration is a GOOD thing!!!

Good things bush did

gave money to Africa

Kicked the Ass of the Terrorists

Re-introduced the traditional value of the States after they were destroyed by Clinton and Gore

Put a smile on all our faces (funny guy)

Increased the ethnic diversity of US Politics (Powell, Rice etc)

Was a proper American Pick up driving Ranch owning guy from Texa's

Refused to sign the Kyoto crap thing

United the UK and the US

and many more...

 

[thefab444]

about only 12% of UK people are of immigrant background which is hardly a problem and as i keep stresing Immagration is a GOOD thing!!!

Well I'm glad to see the Daily Mail indoctrination hasn't worked on you, which is rather suprising, but good.

Kicked the Ass of the Terrorists

Is that why the terrorist threat is greater now than it was 10 years ago?

Re-introduced the traditional value of the States after they were destroyed by Clinton and Gore

Traditional values such as "screw everyone else as long as I'm fine", "it's okay for people to carry guns around and shoot people willy nilly" and "hey we can lock people up without trial indefinately!".

Put a smile on all our faces (funny guy)

That I won't deny. He was more of person that you laughed at than with, though.

Increased the ethnic diversity of US Politics (Powell, Rice etc)

Fair enough, but I'd hope that neither of those two were appointed solely due to their race. People should be appointed to posts of such responsibility due to their experience and capability to do the task. Race should be totally irrelevant.

Was a proper American Pick up driving Ranch owning guy from Texa's

Oh dear. Just oh dear.

United the UK and the US

Yes, and look where that got us... an illegal war, a ruined economy. We should be uniting with Europe, not the USA.

 

[Swift-Deere]

Well I'm glad to see the Daily Mail indoctrination hasn't worked on you, which is rather suprising, but good.



Is that why the terrorist threat is greater now than it was 10 years ago?



Traditional values such as "screw everyone else as long as I'm fine", "it's okay for people to carry guns around and shoot people willy nilly" and "hey we can lock people up without trial indefinately!".



That I won't deny. He was more of person that you laughed at than with, though.



Fair enough, but I'd hope that neither of those two were appointed solely due to their race. People should be appointed to posts of such responsibility due to their experience and capability to do the task. Race should be totally irrelevant.



Oh dear. Just oh dear.



Yes, and look where that got us... an illegal war, a ruined economy. We should be uniting with Europe, not the USA.

Terrorest threat has increased because they have just started there campaign (in 2001) look how many terror attacks have been stopped in the UK lately

Your points about the traditional values maybe you should read the US constitution plus you only pointed out the negatives of the US after all countrys have good and bad points

I agree with you on your race point yes thats very true

I disagree that Europe are a closed allies (close friend ships and co-operation is a must though i.e. euro fighter) are closed allies should be the US, Canada Australia, the Nordic countries and Japan.

 

[the sniper]

2Global warming is a natural process as we are coming out a mini ice age it is NOT coursed by humans and there is enough evidence to back this up!!!

Wow, you better show this evidence to all the scientists and politicians who have somehow totally got the wrong idea! Only you can save us now chap!!!

4Seen as you want some foul and offensive language from the guardian read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2009/nov/12/top-gear-bbc-jeremy-clarkson hardly contains the kind of language a civilised person would use in public does it?

All of which are quotes from Top Gear's executive producer Andy Wilman. Would you have preferred them to use a load of f****** asterisks so you could use your imagination to work out what swear words he used...? :roll:

5 Not ones rights are being eroded, the necessary precautions are being put in place to combat crime and terrorism!!!

I'm not one to complain about the amount of CCTV in this country or the number of lovely yobs who have got their DNA on Government hard drives, but to say there is no issue with peoples rights being eroded is rather naive. Though the papers and great British public often overstate the issue, the Governments wish to control and monitor the public sometimes has a tendency to go to far these days. Just look at being a rail enthusiast these days, people jumping the Berlin Wall got less hassle then rail photographer's do now!

6Anti capitalist: the guardian glorifies countries like Cuba and Venezuela and people like Chi Gavra and Hugo Chavez!!!

Really? If so, maybe they just like berets?

Anti Israli the guardian favors Palestine in the middle east conflicts

Israel are closer allies to us than the Palestinians

Really, can you show some proof? Why would they be anti Israeli? Maybe their 'pro' neither, in which case, isn't that just good journalism?

I can't say I've noticed any bias in their coverage...

Anti West look at the above points

The Guardian, the PR department for Al-Qaeda?

Anti UK guardians lack of support for Iraq and Afganistan

Whereas everyone else is so pro? :roll:

Anti American The Guardian disrespected G W Bush

George Bush was a good leader and deserved more respect

The highlight of your posts, you've literally made me laugh out loud!