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BBC Question Time 22-10-09

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The lefties keep going on about the holocaust, for goodness sake change the record and study the political histories of those who are ruling us now! Most of em are ex communist party members, and Stalin was responsible for far more deaths than the nazi's ever were!

As far as I'm aware, none of 'them' were of the opinion that the Stalinist purges didn't happen, which was Griffin's view of the Holocaust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Anti-Semitism_and_Holocaust_denial
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5474620/Nick-Griffin-profile-of-BNP-leader.html
 
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In June 2009, some particularly miffed people threw eggs at Nick Griffin, sending him scrambling for cover. He was then whisked away to avoid a further beating. Frying with rage, he said it was no yoke and we could not afford to make an omelette out of the next election. He promised, one day, it will be all white.
 

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Just heard this one

LOL:lol:

As far as the BNP go, they would probably actually do better without the likes of Griffin. I read somewhere that he says gay people are "creepy" and london has been "ethnically Cleansed"...are these sorts of views really what a political party want to be about.

I am of the opinion that the amount of permanant immigrants coming into the country each year should be cut and we should have greater power to deport people but that is about all I have in common with the BNP.

Would be nice to have a government that doesnt tax us too death too but that aint ever gonna happen!:roll:
 

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As far as I'm aware, none of 'them' were of the opinion that the Stalinist purges didn't happen, which was Griffin's view of the Holocaust.

They just conveniently neglect to mention it.
It's all by the by anyway. I personally don't give a monkeys uncle whether someone believes in the holocaust or not, and i certainly don't think not believing is grounds for criminal prosecution as is the case in modern Germany and some other countries.
All i'm bothered about is that someone will address the problems we face in Britain today.

I'll stop voting BNP when another party pledges to.....

Withdraw from the EU or at least give the public a referendum on continued membership.

Stop any further immigration into this country.

Deport all criminals of overseas origin immediately on completion of sentence.

Punish criminals properly in a manner that is fitting for the crime and gaurentee immunity from prosecution for citizens who take steps to prevent a crime or apprehend a criminal irrespective of the outcome for the criminal.

Reinstate section 28.

Abolish the "Human Rights" act and replace with a "Human RESPONSIBILITIES" act.

Rearrest and return to prison for completion of sentence all terrorists released under the "Good Friday" agreement.

That'll do for starters.
 

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Withdraw from the EU or at least give the public a referendum on continued membership.
While having first explained that there are actually some benefits to membership, and withdrawing might damage the country in certain areas

...Stop any further immigration into this country.
Including the highly trained and skilled individuals who are propping up public services (eg NHS) because our country is not producing them

...Deport all criminals of overseas origin immediately on completion of sentence.
Including, presumably, people like the recent case of a lad born in Italy who lived here since he was two weeks old and was given a criminal record for having sex with his girlfriend who was a week younger than he was a few days before her sixteenth birthday.

...Punish criminals properly in a manner that is fitting for the crime...
Ah yes, Shariah law...
... and guarantee immunity from prosecution for citizens who take steps to prevent a crime or apprehend a criminal irrespective of the outcome for the criminal.
By gunning down drivers who use their mobile phones while driving?

...Reinstate section 28.
Because it is the governments role to legislate in this area

...Abolish the "Human Rights" act and replace with a "Human RESPONSIBILITIES" act.
Agreed that it isn't the world's best drawn up legislation, but as it deals mainly with how a government should behave and not individuals' rights it is not too bad a thing

...Rearrest and return to prison for completion of sentence all terrorists released under the "Good Friday" agreement.
Fair point - never really understood that one

...That'll do for starters.
Yep, keep voting BNP - that way these views will get the notice they generally deserve
 

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Withdraw from the EU or at least give the public a referendum on continued membership.

Do you have any idea the number of British people employed by companies that depend on close integration with the EU for their work?

Stop any further immigration into this country.

Why? Migration slows when the job market contracts. And before you roll out the usual rant about benefit scroungers, remember that EU immigrants have to work continuously for twelve months (and pay a fee to Home Office for the privilege) before they have make any claim to unemployment, housing benefits etc. Non-EU migrants can't even do that.

Deport all criminals of overseas origin immediately on completion of sentence.

Are foreigners statistically more likely to re-offend? Why not deport everyone on completion of sentence?

Punish criminals properly in a manner that is fitting for the crime and gaurentee immunity from prosecution for citizens who take steps to prevent a crime or apprehend a criminal irrespective of the outcome for the criminal.

You should try living in America. The right to bear arms, defend yourself etc. Oh, and approximately 25,000 gun related deaths last year. Since January alone, 47 school-age children have been murdered in Chicago (source). 47.

Reinstate section 28.

Why? Because 41 pregnancies per 1000 teenagers in 2007 isn't enough? (source) Are not enough teenagers already catching STIs and even HIV because of our cultural phobia of discussing family planning?

Rearrest and return to prison for completion of sentence all terrorists released under the "Good Friday" agreement.

Go to any pub or cafe in Northern Ireland, and say that out loud. Then come back and tell us what you've learnt. Don't worry. Belfast has some of the best knee surgeons in the world :D
 

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Answering some of the points above.

EU Membership

There is clear evidence to demonstrate that the EU is actually causing harm to those outside its trading block. Harmonisation of everything of Laws has led to the EU Arrest Warrant which is complete at odds with the presumption of innocence, and makes it possible to arrest in the UK for offences that are not crimes here, and under questionable circumstances. The latest Greek tragedy of a guy being arrested and deported for Political convenience by the Greeks even though the evidence proves him innocent has given rise to serious concern amongst the legal fraternity of this Country, Jack Straw and the remainder of the Government excluded.

The provision of a minimum common pension for all, and the operation of the Euro will result in a massive transfer of money from the Northern EU Nations to the Eastern and Southern Nations who have made no provision for pensions. This will come from increased taxes and will disadvantage the richer Nations.

EU Nations investment in the UK continued until the Recession BECAUSE the UK was outside of the Euro-Zone.


Immigration

Figures suggest that uncontrolled Immigration by people who have no job to come to and do not contribute to the UK is a major concern to the vast number of people in the UK, INCLUDING many of the ethnic minorities who have settled in this Country. An example was the question asked by the Black man on Question Time which was prompty cut off because it did not fit in with the BBCs Leftist views. They moved the camera to a Lesbian whinging about something and the question was not answered.

No other Country in the world lets people in without some form of control. The questions also needs to be asked as to why the UK is the principal destination of just about everyone from outside the EU who claims Asylum. International Law states they must request Asylum at the first SAFE Country, which is any Country in the EU. You cannot reach the UK without passing through an EU Country.

I wont repeat the often quoted statistics about illegals allowed to remain.

Remember these people use up resources without contributing in anyway whatsoever.


Deporting Criminals

The example wouted was disingenuous in the least. What would be more appropriate would be the Italian who has lived here since almost birth who murder the Teacher in London. Having been in prison he cannot be deported back to Italy, firstly because THEY don't want him (as a murderer) and second HIS Human Rights would be affected. There appears to be no Human Right to live without running the risk of being murdered or assaulted.

The comment about Shari Law was completely unnecessary and again disingenuous.

Currently if you apprehend a Criminal it is YOU who will end up being Prosecuted in many cases, not the Criminal. You appear to be happy to live with this. Pretty much the rest of the UK is not. It was not necessary to disparage the poster.

Again much Crime is not treated with the seriousness it deserves. Crime against the Government (such as reading out the names of the war dead or protesting peacefully about an illegal War), white collar crime, thefts of large sums of money, and middle class driving "offences" are ruthlessly applied, whilst violent crime, driving offences, and burglaries by scrotes, scumbags and ne'er do wells are rarely pursed to a proper outcome. Various Fly on the Wall Police series will demonstrate this.

Meanwhile the latest Government response to rising Crime is to issue instructions that Prosecutions should not be undertaken "to save money".


Human Rights Act

The writing of this into Statute Law has enabled this to be used to defend what most of us consider to be indefensible. Interestingly enough it talks of "Rights" without referring to the Responsibilities and Accountabilities such "Rights" should naturally carry.
 

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No other Country in the world lets people in without some form of control.

You have quite obviously not been out of the UK for some time. Every country in the 'Shengen' zone "lets people in without some form of control." Britain's refusal to join Schengen means we are one of the last countries in Europe to still maintain Home Office or Police controls at airports and the Eurostar terminals.
 

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Do you have any idea the number of British people employed by companies that depend on close integration with the EU for their work?

I said we should withdraw from the EU, not cease trading with European countries. Besides, there is a world beyond Europe to trade with!


Why? Migration slows when the job market contracts..

Have you been to Calais recently?


And before you roll out the usual rant about benefit scroungers.

A rant which happens to be TRUE, for both Brits and Foreigners. We've got enough of our own layabouts without importing more!


remember that EU immigrants have to work continuously for twelve months (and pay a fee to Home Office for the privilege) before they have make any claim to unemployment, housing benefits etc. Non-EU migrants can't even do that.

However you dress it up, you can't deny that they get a roof over their heads and money, at OUR expense.



Are foreigners statistically more likely to re-offend?.

Maybe, maybe not, who knows, who cares, simple fact is that if someone who comes here can't even live by our laws then why should we welcome them? Simple common sense really!


Why not deport everyone on completion of sentence?.

Now you're just being silly!



You should try living in America. The right to bear arms, defend yourself etc. Oh, and approximately 25,000 gun related deaths last year. Since January alone, 47 school-age children have been murdered in Chicago (source). 47..

What has that got to do with the point i made? I was talking about this country, not America! But seeing as you bring the subject up, those 25,000 gun related deaths? What percentage of the American population does that represent? where did they occur? Death Penalty or Non Death Penalty States? Not every State has mass gun ownership. Although the right to bear arms is gaurenteed in the Constitution some States have much tighter restrictions than others. What, also, have school massacres got to do with the right of self defence? What about Dunblane?



Go to any pub or cafe in Northern Ireland, and say that out loud. Then come back and tell us what you've learnt. Don't worry. Belfast has some of the best knee surgeons in the world :D

You've just made my point very well there! Violence is alive and kicking!
But if you're going on about spouting ones mouth off, then try spouting all that PIRA supporting c**p in Warrington or Brighton or even Derby, or to any Squaddie you meet!
 

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Lets face it this whole question time was a bit of a joke really and both sides wear as bad as each other it was facets v communists

We all know that the BNP are Nazi Scum and should be banned

But the BBC are no better, being a left wing liberal organization with no respect for traditional values and beliefs

the audience was no true reflection of UK folk them being young liberal minded people.

I wonder why we can't just have something that's a true reflection of Western society that normal British people live in not the BBC left wing view and political correct nonsense, where if you dont hold there beliefs then your a nutter!!!
 
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Lets face it this whole question time was a bit of a joke really and both sides wear as bad as each other it was facets v communists

We all know that the BNP are Nazi Scum and should be banned

But the BBC are no better, being a left wing liberal organization with no respect for traditional values and beliefs

the audience was no true reflection of UK folk them being young liberal minded people.

I wonder why we can't just have something that's a true reflection of Weston society that normal British people live in not the BBC left wing view and political correct nonsense, where if you dont hold there beliefs then your a nutter!!!

We all have a opinion I agree with most of the BNPs opinions,so am I a nazi?

Its not like they killed loads of people or gassed jews?

I think you either like them or you dont I do others dont,some may find them racist I dont some do.
 

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We all have a opinion I agree with most of the BNPs opinions,so am I a nazi?

Its not like they killed loads of people or gassed jews?

I think you either like them or you dont I do others dont,some may find them racist I dont some do.

Er have you looked at there policies? and they've not gassed or killed anyone because they have not got into power, but if they did they probably would..they are really not nice people at all!!!
 

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The example wouted was disingenuous in the least. ...
The comment about Shari Law was completely unnecessary and again disingenuous.....
The point being that all the areas that were put forward are hugely complex and sweeping "solutions" that appear to suit "traditional" sensibilities are daft. Yes, the comments were disingenuous, but should have prompted a further "yes, but..." response. It's all along the lines of "What have the Romans done for us?" There are problems in all teh areas outlined, but none that can be solved by a simplistic "flog 'em and deport 'em" programme.
 

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You have quite obviously not been out of the UK for some time. Every country in the 'Shengen' zone "lets people in without some form of control." Britain's refusal to join Schengen means we are one of the last countries in Europe to still maintain Home Office or Police controls at airports and the Eurostar terminals.
Read my signature ????

I can assure you that Schengen only applies to Countries who are party to the arrangement. If you are from outside those Countries then you still have to pass through Immigration when you enter the Zone. So my comment is quite valid.

I can also assure you that Schengen or no Schengen, everyone has to pass through Immigration control at Amsterdan Schiphol if you want to enter or leave the Airport.

Freedom to travel without passport control exists only within.

Try playing the Asylum seeker card there and see what happens.
 

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Er have you looked at there policies? and they've not gassed or killed anyone because they have not got into power, but if they did they probably would..they are really not nice people at all!!!

I dont think they would kill anyone even if they did come to power and cant see why they would.
 

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Well I Can only say thats the BNP for you and I agree with most of there opinions.
This is a serious question.
Do you like a takeaway now and again? Maybe a curry, or a Chinese, or a pizza?
If the BNP get into power, and deport anyone who is not a non-white Briton, who's going to cook your dinner?
 

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This is a serious question.
Do you like a takeaway now and again? Maybe a curry, or a Chinese, or a pizza?
If the BNP get into power, and deport anyone who is not a non-white Briton, who's going to cook your dinner?

Did not say I agreed with that one opinion but it would be quite simple go to tesco and buy the products and cook it myself?
 

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Do you agree with the policy of discrimination against gay people?

As I have said before I agree with MOST of there opinions that does not mean I agree with ALL of there opinions and as I am not homophobic I dont agree with that policy either.

Although I do agree with most of them.
 

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I wonder why we can't just have something that's a true reflection of Weston society

I assume you mean WESTERN society.

But if you mean Weston, as in Weston-super-Mare, then the place is full of chav scum. so you really wouldnt want an overall society like that.
 

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The BBC was right to air it - the BNP need publicity. Only when they're out there will people start to realise that, actually, they're a bunch of racist prats. The programme was absolutely hilarious.
 

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The BBC was right to air it - the BNP need publicity. Only when they're out there will people start to realise that, actually, they're a bunch of racist prats. The programme was absolutely hilarious.

Yeh i can see what you mean but most mentally sane people have established that the BNP are a bunch of jerks, but no matter what they do there will be some brain-dead people who vote for them!!!
 

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Well according to the various papers I have read somewhere in the vicinity of 20% of the voting population of the UK actually would vote for them anyway.

Bear in mind that Labour was voted in 21.6% of the population at the last election, and they had a majority.

This says much about how the ability to speak openly about controversial topics has been destroyed by the Left in this Country, since the 1970s.

What is needed in this Country is a complete overhaul of the electoral system such that controversial subjects such as immigration, asylum seekers, and the other issues that genuinely give rise to grievances amongst the wider population can be aired.

Until then, minority parties will always have a foothold and indeed continue to prosper and flourish because to discuss immigration (for example) is to end up pretty quickly with accusations of being a Nazi, and the Gas Chambers being mentioned.

We have already seen this thread degenerate in that manner (they always do) and it is those sorts of comments that make people reluctant to make the comment and then vote for a Party that is prepared to take their grievance seriously.

This is how the Nazi Party in Germany gained power.
 

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This is a serious question.
Do you like a takeaway now and again? Maybe a curry, or a Chinese, or a pizza?
If the BNP get into power, and deport anyone who is not a non-white Briton, who's going to cook your dinner?
Wow, thats some question huh? Have you watched these Rogue Restaurant TV programmes lately where your immigrant friends are cooking your food in absolutely unthinkable appalling conditions......rotten meat, cross contamination, rodents, cock-a-roaches, human excrement from unwashed hands, dirty crockery, layers of old grease and oil, maggots etc etc??? The undercover camera never lies huh?? Whats more, they hire illegal immigrant workers to cook your lovely takeaway too. How tasty mmmm!!
Well after that gastronomic comment, I would rather be a political corrective "rascist and BNP voter" than be slowly food poisoned by those horrible dirty so and so's.
By the way, enjoy your next E-Coli Special. I will enjoy my good old British Steak and Chips home cooked. :lol:
 
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