On some roads though, for example the A406 in North East London the road is 3 lanes between junctions but only 2 lanes through the junctions. The junctions are often so close together that there isn't always time to keep go back into lane 1 after the junction as you need to be in lane 2 again for the next junction unless you are leaving the road.
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At these junctions, and I know the A406 well - just like the A10 near it - you simple merge in as you go. Lane 1 stays as lane 1. Lane 2 and Lane 3 merge.
In some exceptional cases, lanes 1 and 2 merge which is silly - as lane 1 users shouldn't need to worry about merging. Part of this problem is down to the design of junctions at the time, and different interpretations of the rules by different local authorities (now that they're generally responsible where the Highways Agency might have been before).
Believe me, there's plenty of time on a junction to merge and you should always move back to lane 1 if it's empty. If you're turning later on, change lanes near the junction - don't sit in the outside lane with your right indicator on for a mile or two, as plenty of people do which annoys the hell out of me.
Remember the rule: Keep left unless overtaking. Very simple! Would stop all middle lane hoggers in an instant if people adhered to that simple rule.
In some exceptional cases, lanes 1 and 2 merge which is silly - as lane 1 users shouldn't need to worry about merging. Part of this problem is down to the design of junctions at the time, and different interpretations of the rules by different local authorities (now that they're generally responsible where the Highways Agency might have been before).
Believe me, there's plenty of time on a junction to merge and you should always move back to lane 1 if it's empty. If you're turning later on, change lanes near the junction - don't sit in the outside lane with your right indicator on for a mile or two, as plenty of people do which annoys the hell out of me.
Remember the rule: Keep left unless overtaking. Very simple! Would stop all middle lane hoggers in an instant if people adhered to that simple rule.
Not quite sure what you are saying there, lane 2 and lane 3 do not merge they stay as separate lanes.
On the A406 with some of the junctions you see the get in lane signs for the next junction almost immediately as soon as lane 1 rejoins the formation. There isn't time to get back into lane 1 before you pass the sign telling you to get in lane for the next junction. Are you suggesting that you should go back into lane 1 again for a short time even when the signs are clearing showing lane 1 as the lane for the next junction and lanes 2 and 3 to remain on the road?
On some junctions you have three lanes going ahead at traffic lights, with just two soon after - so two lanes merge into one.
On some junctions it will be lane 1 stays and 2 & 3 merge. At others, it will be lane 1 & 2 merging and lane 3 staying on. The road markings may make this clear, but in traffic it can be easy to miss - especially if you're behind a van/lorry/bus etc.
Now I do know the North Circular well, but it's a long road and has many different ways of handling junctions and roundabouts as it crosses from one Borough to another.
Anyway, I think I've made it quite clear.
If two junctions are close together then it is somewhat different to what I said about driving a mile or two in the right hand lane isn't it!
On some junctions it will be lane 1 stays and 2 & 3 merge. At others, it will be lane 1 & 2 merging and lane 3 staying on. The road markings may make this clear, but in traffic it can be easy to miss - especially if you're behind a van/lorry/bus etc.
Now I do know the North Circular well, but it's a long road and has many different ways of handling junctions and roundabouts as it crosses from one Borough to another.
Anyway, I think I've made it quite clear.
If two junctions are close together then it is somewhat different to what I said about driving a mile or two in the right hand lane isn't it!
strange6
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On my way home from work tonight, I have nearly had 3 collisions with people either pulling out of a side street very late in front of me or had been in the wrong position at a roundabout. Not one of them waved their hand to apologise but instead just looked at me as though I was in the wrong. The standard of driving is getting worse and worse, that's for sure
Seacook
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If you nearly had three collisions in one journey, they could be right!
table38
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That sounds like an old Jasper Carrot joke about a little old lady who had been driving for 50 years and never had an accident. She'd seen thousands...
GearJammer
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lol, you all moan about other peoples standards of driving.... i bet your all as bad as each other!
strange6
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I knew stupid comments like this would come flooding in. How can it be your fault when somebody turns out in front of you from a side street and you're just going straight down the road. Do you people drive or are you just posting comments to P people off?
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And coming from somebody who boasts about driving at well in excess of 100mph, I'll treat your stupid comment with all the comtempt that it deserves
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Errrrr, I was there, you were not.
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And coming from somebody who boasts about driving at well in excess of 100mph, I'll treat your stupid comment with all the comtempt that it deserves
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Errrrr, I was there, you were not.
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90019
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You could be going too fast
He does, however, drive professionally, so I'd say he knows what he's talking about.
DaveNewcastle
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And surely what is more to the point, if the majority of people are agreed the standards actually are declining, (and if those same peoploe are motorists) then we'd expect most of them to also agree that their own standard is declining (or is worse than their predecessors' standards).
Or is this a matter on which people are only able to see poor standards in other people but are unable to see it in themselves?
Seacook
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Irrelevant. My comment was based on the information you provided. I cannot make any conclusion about your being a bad driver but I certainly can't rule it out either.
anthony263
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I do admit the hazard perception test is a bit stupid, when i was learning to drive a car it took me 4 attempts to pass it and only reason failed was that kept clicking too early or spotting another hazard thinking it was the 1 i had to click for.
I passed 1st time though when i did my PCV licence though.
I do remember when doing my pcv licence my instructer was very strict and would not hesitate at shouting at us, 1 problem i had a at times was not always checking my mirrors, i do remember 1 lad nearly ending up cliping a traffic light. while turning right at a junction.
That said i have seen some bad driving from some proffesional drivers, mind you most of these i have seen are foreign lorries . I had one of these actually start to pull into the lane right in front of me as i was about to pass him in the middle lane onmthe m4 just after Jct 34 , lets just say that driver certainly woke up after me blasting the horn.
I have always fancied getting a horn from a class 37 or hst and installing in on my car or bus which should give some people a bit of a shock if i have to use it.
I passed 1st time though when i did my PCV licence though.
I do remember when doing my pcv licence my instructer was very strict and would not hesitate at shouting at us, 1 problem i had a at times was not always checking my mirrors, i do remember 1 lad nearly ending up cliping a traffic light. while turning right at a junction.
That said i have seen some bad driving from some proffesional drivers, mind you most of these i have seen are foreign lorries . I had one of these actually start to pull into the lane right in front of me as i was about to pass him in the middle lane onmthe m4 just after Jct 34 , lets just say that driver certainly woke up after me blasting the horn.
I have always fancied getting a horn from a class 37 or hst and installing in on my car or bus which should give some people a bit of a shock if i have to use it.
anthony263
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Dont want to give myself any further idea's
90019
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anthony263
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I should have them on my car as i go through the brynglass tunnels in newport
GearJammer
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Yeah i had a set of those on my old tipper truck, best £50 i ever spent!
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Hope he uses that horn next time he sees some goon trying to jump the level crossing barriers
You can also fail your normal driving test for "hesitation" if you drive too slowly for the conditions, I know as i failed my first for this error,
If someone is going to break the speedlimits and overtake dangerously they will regardless of whether its a 50, 60 or 70 limit.
When i was doing some farm work a few summers ago, i had it drummed into me that if your in a 40 or greater limit area in a tractor, if you pass 3 opportunitys to pull over and let traffic pass but fail to, you can be charged for inconsiderate driving, unsure whether this is true or just the employer i was working for wanting considerate driving.
Indeed, i was in a row of cars today, and an oncoming car flashed my row through the gap, (not wide enough for oncoming cars to pass). he failed to notice that he had a row behind him, and that if he let more than 2 cars through, then he'd end up causing complete chaos, as there was not room for more than 3 cars to fill the gap, before being blocked by the cars behind him.
Although as i mention above you can fail a test for hesitation if you fail to keep up with the traffic flow,
But if the car you are taking the test in is only capable of 100 kmh (62.5 mph) and the other traffic is moving at 70 mph you would still pass?
Not correct, the standard is 100 kmh: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/PracticalTest/DG_4022543
ignore my above comment, regarding replying to this,
70mph is only permitted on dual carriageways, which would have a overtaking lane, so you are not holding anyone up, however if you go on a 60mph single carriageway, you need to be capable of keeping up with the flow,
Can you actually get a car that is as slow as a top speed of 62.5mph?
I had a courtesy car daewoo matiz a few years ago which was only an 800cc engine, and that could do 80+mph, and i'm sure was one of the slowest cars available in britain,
Probably not a modern one, but my mum once had a Citroen Visa that could barely do 60 and usually ended up being dragged down to 40-50 on the climb north of Welwyn on the A1(M).
Butts
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One of those Trabants they used to have in East Germany - if they did 80km /h never mind 80mph they'd fall apart I suspect
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