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Another good read Mr Train. A few more into the book of sights too.
I agree 66779 does carry that livery off for a shed, im not having a go at your pic here Mr Train but that shed will never look as as good looking as 47484, 47500 and 47628 looked. Here's 47500 looking stunning below, pic courtesy of Gary Holland.
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I'm also a big fan of the 68s and loco manufacturers will have to work hard to produce something that looks better in the modern era, particularly when looking as the one in Kites post does. However, there is and has been very little out there that can look as good as a well liveried 47 as proven by Mr 403s photos. Maintaining a classy look whilst looking beastly is not easy
 

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I'm also a big fan of the 68s and loco manufacturers will have to work hard to produce something that looks better in the modern era, particularly when looking as the one in Kites post does. However, there is and has been very little out there that can look as good as a well liveried 47 as proven by Mr 403s photos. Maintaining a classy look whilst looking beastly is not easy
Here here!!!!!
However kite, the 68s are brilliant and a joy to ride behind. I still maintain, they sound like a cross between a Western and a 47.
 

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The week gone by

Nothing too exciting to add as this week has just been a couple or trips to Stafford for specific workings. On Tuesday (14th August) I noticed there was a flask working, and with some intel front palmersears it appeared I may be on to winners, so I had a gentle stroll down to Stafford station to catch the 4pm-5pm rush of freight workings and I immediately benefited as I got to see 90029 heading into platform 6 as I walked alongside the station approach. Assume it has been having some work done as it was working as Crewe electric runaround. I also bagged 66733 GBrf working a rake of containers to Felixstowe from Trafford Park. Unfortunately the rest of the freight was hauled by duds until the flasks arrived and, palmersears was right, it was indeed winners 68004 and 68003 that were hauling them
68004 and 68003 entering Stafford by The_Train

Thursday (16th August) saw a few different movements listed on RTT so I was tempted into another wander down to Stafford station. It was around the same time as Tuesday that I got down there but there was nothing in the form of a winner until the first of the more unusual workings came by in the form of a West Coast Railway Company ECS movement from Carnforth to Southall and even though it was headed by dud 47832, it was being pushed at the other end by 47826 which was a definite winner.
47832 passing Stafford by The_Train
47826 at Stafford by The_Train

I also bagged 66429 which was working light to Toton and then 66760 which was heading in the opposite direction towards Crewe with an engineers train and then was really blessed with the next of the more unusual workings for the day as D1935/47805 came to a stand in the UDG line looking mighty fine in the early evening sunshine as she headed towards Crewe H.S.
D1935/47805 waits at Stafford by The_Train

I had planned to end my stint once this had passed by but the guy involved at the Great Central Railway, who'd I'd chatted to on a previous outing, appeared and yet again we got chatting about all things railway. This allowed me the opportunity to bag 66015 as it headed to Toton with a few empties. Freight seemed to dry up for a period but it didn't seem to matter as we chatted away but we had spotted something running to Wembley with a heavy load that had got beyond Crewe so we decided to hang around for that. This allowed me to edge closer to completing the 350s (excluding the 350/4 units) as 350256 passed by - all of the 350/1s and 350/3s are done, just 2 of the 2s and the 10 4s to go. The Wembley train was suddenly brought to a halt (according to Traksy) at Madeley but a pair of 90s did pass through with winner 90047 and dud 90049 doing the honours. We were chatting about 70s by now and the guy told me that someone 'in the know' on a Facebook group he uses had said that all 70s had been withdrawn from service. I said that not only had I seen 70005 as recently as Tuesday, I'd also heard one pass by as I sat in my lounge the previous night so that was news to me. And almost as though it wanted to prove a point, whilst we were chatting about them, dud 70005 made an appearance. A quick check of Tracksy showed that the Wembley train was still being held at Madeley and as it was now beyond 8pm (I'd missed Hollyoaks :|:frown:) we decided to call it a day.

11 winners over the few hours I spent out over the couple of occasions during the week so not bad, plus a few nice sightings in the form of the 47s and 68s. There are more pics from both days on my flickr at https://www.flickr.com/photos/141285005@N02/
 

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Not a bad day there Mr Train, 47805 looks resplendent but I would say that. 3 47s in a day, would be fantastic in my book. A good day for the book of sights too.
 

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Not a bad day there Mr Train, 47805 looks resplendent but I would say that. 3 47s in a day, would be fantastic in my book. A good day for the book of sights too.

I thought you'd appreciate the 47s as much as I did Mr 403. I can confirm that 805 sounded as good as she looked as well :)
 

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Looks like a very enjoyable day.
It will be interesting to see what the long term future of the FL 70s is.
47805 looks the bees knees with that paint-job.
 

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Not a bad day there Mr Train, 47805 looks resplendent but I would say that. 3 47s in a day, would be fantastic in my book. A good day for the book of sights too.

Nice to catch a few more Mr Train! Too many Duffs for my liking though. I'm looking forward to LSL getting its Peak back on the mainline! ;)
 

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Looks like a very enjoyable day.
It will be interesting to see what the long term future of the FL 70s is.
47805 looks the bees knees with that paint-job.

I don't think that the person claiming the 70s are all being withdrawn is far from the truth and it could be that they actually meant it is an ongoing withdrawal by FL as opposed to an immediate withdrawal. Interestingly, I've been told that the Colas 70s were actually manufactured differently to the FL ones and they don't have the same problems (I can't remember the difference now but maybe someone else knows).

47805 does indeed look good. Looks like a very fresh lick of paint as well - don't know if that's why it was at Barton Hill (do they do paint jobs there)?
 

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Nice to catch a few more Mr Train! Too many Duffs for my liking though. I'm looking forward to LSL getting its Peak back on the mainline! ;)

I don't know how long they've been going but LSL seem to be becoming big players in the preservation game which can only be a good thing, especially if they keep turning out 47s like 805 ;)

Your post here has reminded me of something I wanted to ask you superbly helpful people out there.....if you're having a quiet Saturday night, could someone kindly produce a list of classes and their associated names as it would be a good reference point as I get used to them all? :)

Each to their own. :rolleyes:;)

Indeed Mr 403, it's interesting how people favour different classes. My love for 47s is because they were the locos hauling a good chunk of XC services around my local area growing up and it was easy to generate a liking for them because of how they look and sound. Assume it's the same for a lot of people that they take a liking to a class purely based on their era and what locos they saw locally on a regular basis?
 

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Your post here has reminded me of something I wanted to ask you superbly helpful people out there.....if you're having a quiet Saturday night, could someone kindly produce a list of classes and their associated names as it would be a good reference point as I get used to them all? :)

For me, namers lost their appeal somewhat when things like "Top of The Pops" and "Mutual Improvement" started to appear - the mystique and glamour of a named loco disappeared (although the names on the 68s and 88s seem to be a return to tradition).
One of the highlights of being a young spotter was seeing a loco, then hearing someone shout "It's a namer!"
Once every second loco (not to mention units) started sporting a plate I stopped keeping up.

That's just a long-winded way of saying I don't know much about current named traction.
Anyway, if you want a list of current locos and units with associated names, you might find http://www.abrail.co.uk a useful (if somewhat garish) resource.
 

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For me, namers lost their appeal somewhat when things like "Top of The Pops" and "Mutual Improvement" started to appear - the mystique and glamour of a named loco disappeared (although the names on the 68s and 88s seem to be a return to tradition).
I think Mr. Train's question was more related to the names / nicknames bestowed on loco classes, most of them by enthusiasts rather than the manufacturer... Things like:

08 - Gronk
20 - Chopper
25 - Rat
37 - Tractor
40 - Whistler
44/45/46 - Peak (probably one of the most 'official' of this lot)
47 - Duff / Spoon
50 - Hoover
55 - Deltic (as per Peak, and so named because of its engine)
56 - Grid
57 - Bodysnatcher (57601 - Ronnie)
58 - Bone
60 - Tug
66 - Shed
67 - Skip

There is a long topic on this very forum covering the subject, albeit with seemingly no absolute list:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/train-nicknames.18742

Make of that what you will...

I don't know how long they've been going but LSL seem to be becoming big players in the preservation game which can only be a good thing, especially if they keep turning out 47s like 805
LSL are actually more into luxury charters than preservation as such. The assets include quite a number of steam locos (aka 'kettles') and it is now branching out into diesels. The firm has 47s already working the mainline, a 40 that has just complete its test runs, and a 37, 45 and two 55s on the way back to working order. It has also recently revealed that it plans to add at least one HST set and 2 class 90s to its inventory next year.

I don't think that the person claiming the 70s are all being withdrawn is far from the truth and it could be that they actually meant it is an ongoing withdrawal by FL as opposed to an immediate withdrawal.
All the FLR 70s were indeed in store for a couple of days last week - around 12 long term at Midland Road and the remainder in warm store at Basford Hall (Crewe). Since then at least a couple have sneaked back out. Exactly why remains largely the subject of platform-end wibble - it certainly seems that they are expensive to run (some saying they are on pay-when-used contracts, so if they are not needed and parked FLR don't have to pay for them) and maintain, while a lot of the heavy-haul work (coal) they were acquired for has gone over the last year or two. Whether they are set for a renaissance remains to be seen - I suspect if new contracts come up they will be put to work again, as I can't see any other operator wanting them. Maybe HS2 will be their salvation when it starts?

Indeed Mr 403, it's interesting how people favour different classes. My love for 47s is because they were the locos hauling a good chunk of XC services around my local area growing up and it was easy to generate a liking for them because of how they look and sound. Assume it's the same for a lot of people that they take a liking to a class purely based on their era and what locos they saw locally on a regular basis?
Hence why I like Peaks - they were the staple diet of the Midland Main Line in the '70s and '80s, which was the era I fondly remember. I think Mr. 403 hates them for precisely the same reason - albeit that he was in Geordieland rather than the Midlands. By the way Mr. 403, while I like Peaks a lot my favourite classics are 20s and especially 56s.
 
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D'oh!
Of course that's what he meant, my apologies (although abrail is still worth visiting).

Anyway, to Skymonster's list I can add the following:

20 - Wardrobe/whistling wardrobe
31 - Goyle, ped
33 - Crompton
37 - Syphon, growler
40 - Bucket
68 - Cat
81-85 - Roarer
86 - Can
89 - Badger
90 - Skoda
 

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Yeah maybe I should have put nicknames instead of names. I will certainly still check abrail out 55013 as I was certainly one of those who got very excited at seeing a named loco back in the day.

Thanks for the nicknames though guys, it helps to know these for a) when reading some reports on here and b) when having rail conversations particularly related to the past.
 

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LSL are actually more into luxury charters than preservation as such. The assets include quite a number of steam locos (aka 'kettles') and it is now branching out into diesels. The firm has 47s already working the mainline, a 40 that has just complete its test runs, and a 37, 45 and two 55s on the way back to working order. It has also recently revealed that it plans to add at least one HST set and 2 class 90s to its inventory next year.

Well they certainly must be doing well to be making such purchases. Long may it continue.

All the FLR 70s were indeed in store for a couple of days last week - around 12 long term at Midland Road and the remainder in warm store at Basford Hall (Crewe). Since then at least a couple have sneaked back out. Exactly why remains largely the subject of platform-end wibble - it certainly seems that they are expensive to run (some saying they are on pay-when-used contracts, so if they are not needed and parked FLR don't have to pay for them) and maintain, while a lot of the heavy-haul work (coal) they were acquired for has gone over the last year or two. Whether they are set for a renaissance remains to be seen - I suspect if new contracts come up they will be put to work again, as I can't see any other operator wanting them. Maybe HS2 will be their salvation when it starts?

That's where the withdrawal story came from then. I've had a couple of conversations regarding their use and I think it is clear that they are not designed for hauling long container trains about. HS2 could well be a saviour for them or maybe they'd be better served on the oil or steel trains that tend to be pulled by 60s (not that I have any reason to suggest the 70s are more suitable than the 60s). They just seem very wasted on our network at the moment, especially the FLR ones.
 

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I'm sure it'll help your platform-cred if you can rattle off the nicknames of the various classes in your conversations! ;)

Exactly, this game isn't about what you know, it's about what you can make it look like you know ;):E
 

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D'oh!
Of course that's what he meant, my apologies (although abrail is still worth visiting).

Anyway, to Skymonster's list I can add the following:

20 - Wardrobe/whistling wardrobe
31 - Goyle, ped
33 - Crompton
37 - Syphon, growler
40 - Bucket
68 - Cat
81-85 - Roarer
86 - Can
89 - Badger
90 - Skoda

And 88 - ElectroCat :)
 

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Your right Mr Train, I do think where your from has a bearing on your fave loco, it depends on what you saw on a regular basis. I was very fortunate to live just 10mins away from Tyne Yard. So loco wise 31s, 37s, 45s, 47s and 56s were the main stay down there, so 37s and obviously 47s became big favourites.
Sadly I only caught the diminishing years of Deltics but I remember standing on the bridge at Tyne Yard, you'd hear the infamous rumble of those Napier engines in the distance and it would stir a bit of commotion among those gathered at various points on the bridge. Sadly they were all too infrequent and disappeared completely only to replaced by Mr Granges, yellow and blue screaming MONSTROSITY.

My mates n I hated the HSTs or trams as they were nicknamed, I have no explanation as to why they were nicknamed trams, my assumption why, was because they could go either way, only the driver had to walk from one end to the other, just a modern day tram car. They later became zings, due to the noise they made when they went past. The 56s, aka Grids, made a similar screaming noise, hence me never being a big 56 fan too.

As regards Mr 13s topic of namers, I'm of the same opinion, as a kid, I'd look through my loco shed book, seeing locos with names like Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Robin Hood, Samson, Dreadnought, Superb, Peter Pan, Iron Duke, Hal o' the Wynd, Wolf of Badeoch, King Arthur, Howard of Effingham and Black Douglas, seemed to set the mind racing. A trip to Carlisle, not only were we going to see the leccys, the fact most of the 86s and 87s carried names, added to the excitement, hoping to see the likes of those was mentioned above. As it turned out, 86259 Peter Pan, was one I had to wait longest to see, it was my last 86 needed for sight, before renumbering got me not once but bloody twice, 86/4s then the 86/6s
At Tyne Yard, when a loco was coming, the odd shout amongst us would go up, its a namer, if it was a 47 with a white roof too, excitement would be fever pitch. Namers were held In such high regard then.

Some names were plain boring, normally carried by the zings, however Top of the Pops became a favourite, not because of its name but because when I actually saw it, on an afternoon Newcastle-Swansea turn, that left from a platform, at the Northern end of Newcastle that is now a car park,. 43002 Top of the Pops, was my last zing needed for sight, at last I thought, no need to look at these horrible things ever again. Of course renumbering bit me on the arse again.

Naming locos after a family of scallops, eg Pectinidae seemed pointless to me but it did greatly surprise my geography teacher, when I answered his question about if anyone could give him a collective name for marine life, when I answered, piscitororal, I erred with caution, pectinidae and Bullidae. I swear his eyes bulged and nearly fainted, especially when he asked, me to explain, what Pectinidae and Bullidae are please. When I said piscitororal was fish, Pectinidae is form of scallop or oyster and Bullidae are a form of snails, he was gobsmacked, as were some of my class mates, one whistling before adding, bloody hell listen you. My Geography teacher said to the whole class, 3 years I've been teaching him and whilst he's dumbfounded me on numerous occasions, for reasons known best to him, in 30 seconds he's just restored my faith in education.:lol: All because those in charge of the Petroleum sector, decided to name locos, dragging their oil trains with silly names.

As regards the locos nicknames,
03, 08 ,09 and 13s were just shunter, wasn't till about 10yr ago I heard the phrase gronk, for the first time when I got speaking to a lad whilst I was on an overnighter at Carlisle. He was on a 2 week ALR and said he'd roped in over 60 gronks in his first week. I had to ask what he meant by gronk.
20s were choppers
25s were rats. 26s and 27s McRats
31s were Goyles or Peds
33s were Cromptons, Baggies an abbreviation on Bag pipes for a 33/1 and slim Jim.
37s were always were and still are Syphons, in my book at least, the term tractors was never used amongst my friends and I, tractors is a term, that seemed to gather pace in the last decade.
40s were whistlers
43 are zings or trams
45s and 46s were either Peaks or Wagons
47s were Duffs and I know people say its a derogatory name for them, it's always been a term of endearment in my book.
50s were hoovers, although I heard the term Logs used for them too. I fear that was certainly a derogatory name given to them by duff bashers.
56s were and still are grids
58s were known as Bones, for reasons, I'm sure someone will tell me.
59s and 66s, are Sheds.
60s are tugs, again for reasons best known to others, who will no doubt explain later, maybe its because they sound like boats.
67s are obviously skips
68s are Cats and 88s clockwork Cats, the pantograph being like a key.
70s I've heard plugs, mainly cos of the light set on their fronts or cos they're plug ugly.
73s were EDs
81s-85s were roarers
86s and 87s, I can't ever remember having a nickname.
The 89 was nicknamed the badger
90s were skodas
91s maybe nicknamed differently but my friends and I always nicknamed them Blunts, I still do.
92s were always Dysons.
 
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Your right Mr Train, I do think where your from has a bearing on your fave loco, it depends on what you saw on a regular basis. I was very fortunate to live just 10mins away from Tyne Yard. So loco wise 31s, 37s, 45s, 47s and 56s were the main stay down there, so 37s and obviously 47s became big favourites.
Sadly I only caught the diminishing years of Deltics but I remember standing on the bridge at Tyne Yard, you'd hear the infamous rumble of those Napier engines in the distance and it would stir a bit of commotion among those gathered at various points on the bridge. Sadly they were all too infrequent and disappeared completely only to replaced by Mr Granges, yellow and blue screaming MONSTROSITY.

My mates n I hated the HSTs or trams as they were nicknamed, I have no explanation as to why they were nicknamed trams, my assumption why, was because they could go either way, only the driver had to walk from one end to the other, just a modern day tram car. They later became zings, due to the noise they made when they went past. The 56s, aka Grids, made a similar screaming noise, hence me never being a big 56 fan too.

As regards Mr 13s topic of namers, I'm of the same opinion, as a kid, I'd look through my loco shed book, seeing locos with names like Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Robin Hood, Samson, Dreadnought, Superb, Peter Pan, Iron Duke, Hal o' the Wynd, Wolf of Badeoch, King Arthur, Howard of Effingham and Black Douglas, seemed to set the mind racing. A trip to Carlisle, not only were we going to see the leccys, the fact most of the 86s and 87s carried names, added to the excitement, hoping to see the likes of those was mentioned above. As it turned out, 86259 Peter Pan, was one I had to wait longest to see, it was my last 86 needed for sight, before renumbering got me not once but bloody twice, 86/4s then the 86/6s
At Tyne Yard, when a loco was coming, the odd shout amongst us would go up, its a namer, if it was a 47 with a white roof too, excitement would be fever pitch. Namers were held In such high regard then.

Some names were plain boring, normally carried by the zings, however Top of the Pops became a favourite, not because of its name but because when I actually saw it, on an afternoon Newcastle-Swansea turn, that left from a platform, at the Northern end of Newcastle that is now a car park,. 43002 Top of the Pops, was my last zing needed for sight, at last I thought, no need to look at these horrible things ever again. Of course renumbering bit me on the arse again.

Naming locos after a family of scallops, eg Pectinidae seemed pointless to me but it did greatly surprise my geography teacher, when I answered his question about if anyone could give him a collective name for marine life, when I answered, piscitororal, I erred with caution, pectinidae and Bullidae. I swear his eyes bulged and nearly fainted, especially when he asked, me to explain, what Pectinidae and Bullidae are please. When I said piscitororal was fish, Pectinidae is form of scallop or oyster and Bullidae are a form of snails, he was gobsmacked, as were some of my class mates, one whistling before adding, bloody hell listen you. My Geography teacher said to the whole class, 3 years I've been teaching him and whilst he's dumbfounded me on numerous occasions, for reasons known best to him, in 30 seconds he's just restored my faith in education.:lol: All because those in charge of the Petroleum sector, decided to name locos, dragging their oil trains with silly names.

As regards the locos nicknames,
03, 08 ,09 and 13s were just shunter, wasn't till about 10yr ago I heard the phrase gronk, for the first time when I got speaking to a lad whilst I was on an overnighter at Carlisle. He was on a 2 week ALR and said he'd roped in over 60 gronks in his first week. I had to ask what he meant by gronk.
20s were choppers
25s were rats. 26s and 27s McRats
31s were Goyles or Peds
33s were Cromptons, Baggies an abbreviation on Bag pipes for a 33/1 and slim Jim.
37s were always were and still are Syphons, in my book at least, the term tractors was never used amongst my friends and I, tractors is a term, that seemed to gather pace in the last decade.
40s were whistlers
43 are zings or trams
45s and 46s were either Peaks or Wagons
47s were Duffs and I know people say its a derogatory name for them, it's always been a term of endearment in my book.
50s were hoovers, although I heard the term Logs used for them too. I fear that was certainly a derogatory name given to them by duff bashers.
56s were and still are grids
58s were known as Bones, for reasons, I'm sure someone will tell me.
59s and 66s, are Sheds.
60s are tugs, again for reasons best known to others, who will no doubt explain later, maybe its because they sound like boats.
67s are obviously skips
68s are Cats and 88s clockwork Cats, the pantograph being like a key.
70s I've heard plugs, mainly cos of the light set on their fronts or cos they're plug ugly.
73s were EDs
81s-85s were roarers
86s and 87s, I can't ever remember having a nickname.
The 89 was nicknamed the badger
90s were skodas
91s maybe nicknamed differently but my friends and I always nicknamed them Blunts, I still do.
92 were always Dysons.

What is it about HSTs that you dislike Mr 403? Got to be honest, you've surprised me a little there.

Love the story about trains helping you to impress your geography teacher, and to think that some say this is a pointless hobby.

Thanks for your list of nicknames as well, I think I need to create a file with them in as a reference point
 

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What is it about HSTs that you dislike Mr 403? Got to be honest, you've surprised me a little there.
The fact they replaced the Deltics, we loved to see them flash by Tyne Yard, plus the HST replaced many loco hauled turns. The trams replaced almost all cross country loco hauled diagrams, even summer Saturday turns, the Glasgow QS-Scarborough, went to Tram hauled, the Newcastle-Penzance also went HST, that really peed me off. I'd used to go to Carlisle and Preston, to get away from their whining screams. Loco hauled ruled on the WCML and lo and behold they even turned up there too.

I have what I'd call, a begrudging respect for them now, they've stood the test of time but I'm not exactly a huge fan of them. Mr Grange probably changed the Railway's for good. The HSTs design, probably paved the way for Pendolinos, Voyagers and now with the new Hitachi Fleet.
 
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The fact they replaced the Deltics, we loved to see them flash by Tyne Yard, plus the HST replaced many loco hauled turns. The trams replaced almost all cross country loco hauled diagrams, even summer Saturday turns, the Glasgow QS-Scarborough, went to Tram hauled, the Newcastle-Penzance also went HST, that really peed me off. I'd used to go to Carlisle and Preston, to get away from them, whining screams, loco hauled ruled on the WCML and lo and behold they even turned up there too. I have what I'd call, a begrudging respect for them now, they've stood the test of time. Mr Grange probably changed the Railway's for good. The HSTs design, probably paved the way for Pendolinos, Voyagers and now with the new Hitachi Fleet.

I like that response. Tells the story of how hatred can become respect (even begrudgingly) when rose tinted specs are not worn (that's not a dig at you Mr 403 but at society in general). Got to be honest I love HSTs even though they did affect the use of 47s on the XC routes I regularly travelled on during my younger years. I think the fact that as a youngster I never viewed them as 'sets' - they were still coaching stock with a loco at either end in my eyes (it's a view I've struggled to shake off to be honest) - so this didn't affect me in the way that Pendolinos and Voyagers taking over passenger services has
 

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Your right Mr Train, I do think where your from has a bearing on your fave loco, it depends on what you saw on a regular basis. I was very fortunate to live just 10mins away from Tyne Yard. So loco wise 31s, 37s, 45s, 47s and 56s were the main stay down there, so 37s and obviously 47s became big favourites.
Sadly I only caught the diminishing years of Deltics but I remember standing on the bridge at Tyne Yard, you'd hear the infamous rumble of those Napier engines in the distance and it would stir a bit of commotion among those gathered at various points on the bridge. Sadly they were all too infrequent and disappeared completely only to replaced by Mr Granges, yellow and blue screaming MONSTROSITY.

My mates n I hated the HSTs or trams as they were nicknamed, I have no explanation as to why they were nicknamed trams, my assumption why, was because they could go either way, only the driver had to walk from one end to the other, just a modern day tram car. They later became zings, due to the noise they made when they went past. The 56s, aka Grids, made a similar screaming noise, hence me never being a big 56 fan too.

As regards Mr 13s topic of namers, I'm of the same opinion, as a kid, I'd look through my loco shed book, seeing locos with names like Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Robin Hood, Samson, Dreadnought, Superb, Peter Pan, Iron Duke, Hal o' the Wynd, Wolf of Badeoch, King Arthur, Howard of Effingham and Black Douglas, seemed to set the mind racing. A trip to Carlisle, not only were we going to see the leccys, the fact most of the 86s and 87s carried names, added to the excitement, hoping to see the likes of those was mentioned above. As it turned out, 86259 Peter Pan, was one I had to wait longest to see, it was my last 86 needed for sight, before renumbering got me not once but bloody twice, 86/4s then the 86/6s
At Tyne Yard, when a loco was coming, the odd shout amongst us would go up, its a namer, if it was a 47 with a white roof too, excitement would be fever pitch. Namers were held In such high regard then.

Some names were plain boring, normally carried by the zings, however Top of the Pops became a favourite, not because of its name but because when I actually saw it, on an afternoon Newcastle-Swansea turn, that left from a platform, at the Northern end of Newcastle that is now a car park,. 43002 Top of the Pops, was my last zing needed for sight, at last I thought, no need to look at these horrible things ever again. Of course renumbering bit me on the arse again.

Naming locos after a family of scallops, eg Pectinidae seemed pointless to me but it did greatly surprise my geography teacher, when I answered his question about if anyone could give him a collective name for marine life, when I answered, piscitororal, I erred with caution, pectinidae and Bullidae. I swear his eyes bulged and nearly fainted, especially when he asked, me to explain, what Pectinidae and Bullidae are please. When I said piscitororal was fish, Pectinidae is form of scallop or oyster and Bullidae are a form of snails, he was gobsmacked, as were some of my class mates, one whistling before adding, bloody hell listen you. My Geography teacher said to the whole class, 3 years I've been teaching him and whilst he's dumbfounded me on numerous occasions, for reasons known best to him, in 30 seconds he's just restored my faith in education.:lol: All because those in charge of the Petroleum sector, decided to name locos, dragging their oil trains with silly names.

As regards the locos nicknames,
03, 08 ,09 and 13s were just shunter, wasn't till about 10yr ago I heard the phrase gronk, for the first time when I got speaking to a lad whilst I was on an overnighter at Carlisle. He was on a 2 week ALR and said he'd roped in over 60 gronks in his first week. I had to ask what he meant by gronk.
20s were choppers
25s were rats. 26s and 27s McRats
31s were Goyles or Peds
33s were Cromptons, Baggies an abbreviation on Bag pipes for a 33/1 and slim Jim.
37s were always were and still are Syphons, in my book at least, the term tractors was never used amongst my friends and I, tractors is a term, that seemed to gather pace in the last decade.
40s were whistlers
43 are zings or trams
45s and 46s were either Peaks or Wagons
47s were Duffs and I know people say its a derogatory name for them, it's always been a term of endearment in my book.
50s were hoovers, although I heard the term Logs used for them too. I fear that was certainly a derogatory name given to them by duff bashers.
56s were and still are grids
58s were known as Bones, for reasons, I'm sure someone will tell me.
59s and 66s, are Sheds.
60s are tugs, again for reasons best known to others, who will no doubt explain later, maybe its because they sound like boats.
67s are obviously skips
68s are Cats and 88s clockwork Cats, the pantograph being like a key.
70s I've heard plugs, mainly cos of the light set on their fronts or cos they're plug ugly.
73s were EDs
81s-85s were roarers
86s and 87s, I can't ever remember having a nickname.
The 89 was nicknamed the badger
90s were skodas
91s maybe nicknamed differently but my friends and I always nicknamed them Blunts, I still do.
92s were always Dysons.
I think the 60s were called tugs because of there superior haulage capabilities.
 

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Your right Mr Train, I do think where your from has a bearing on your fave loco, it depends on what you saw on a regular basis. I was very fortunate to live just 10mins away from Tyne Yard. So loco wise 31s, 37s, 45s, 47s and 56s were the main stay down there, so 37s and obviously 47s became big favourites.
Sadly I only caught the diminishing years of Deltics but I remember standing on the bridge at Tyne Yard, you'd hear the infamous rumble of those Napier engines in the distance and it would stir a bit of commotion among those gathered at various points on the bridge. Sadly they were all too infrequent and disappeared completely only to replaced by Mr Granges, yellow and blue screaming MONSTROSITY.

My mates n I hated the HSTs or trams as they were nicknamed, I have no explanation as to why they were nicknamed trams, my assumption why, was because they could go either way, only the driver had to walk from one end to the other, just a modern day tram car. They later became zings, due to the noise they made when they went past. The 56s, aka Grids, made a similar screaming noise, hence me never being a big 56 fan too.

As regards Mr 13s topic of namers, I'm of the same opinion, as a kid, I'd look through my loco shed book, seeing locos with names like Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Robin Hood, Samson, Dreadnought, Superb, Peter Pan, Iron Duke, Hal o' the Wynd, Wolf of Badeoch, King Arthur, Howard of Effingham and Black Douglas, seemed to set the mind racing. A trip to Carlisle, not only were we going to see the leccys, the fact most of the 86s and 87s carried names, added to the excitement, hoping to see the likes of those was mentioned above. As it turned out, 86259 Peter Pan, was one I had to wait longest to see, it was my last 86 needed for sight, before renumbering got me not once but bloody twice, 86/4s then the 86/6s
At Tyne Yard, when a loco was coming, the odd shout amongst us would go up, its a namer, if it was a 47 with a white roof too, excitement would be fever pitch. Namers were held In such high regard then.

Some names were plain boring, normally carried by the zings, however Top of the Pops became a favourite, not because of its name but because when I actually saw it, on an afternoon Newcastle-Swansea turn, that left from a platform, at the Northern end of Newcastle that is now a car park,. 43002 Top of the Pops, was my last zing needed for sight, at last I thought, no need to look at these horrible things ever again. Of course renumbering bit me on the arse again.

Naming locos after a family of scallops, eg Pectinidae seemed pointless to me but it did greatly surprise my geography teacher, when I answered his question about if anyone could give him a collective name for marine life, when I answered, piscitororal, I erred with caution, pectinidae and Bullidae. I swear his eyes bulged and nearly fainted, especially when he asked, me to explain, what Pectinidae and Bullidae are please. When I said piscitororal was fish, Pectinidae is form of scallop or oyster and Bullidae are a form of snails, he was gobsmacked, as were some of my class mates, one whistling before adding, bloody hell listen you. My Geography teacher said to the whole class, 3 years I've been teaching him and whilst he's dumbfounded me on numerous occasions, for reasons known best to him, in 30 seconds he's just restored my faith in education.:lol: All because those in charge of the Petroleum sector, decided to name locos, dragging their oil trains with silly names.

As regards the locos nicknames,
03, 08 ,09 and 13s were just shunter, wasn't till about 10yr ago I heard the phrase gronk, for the first time when I got speaking to a lad whilst I was on an overnighter at Carlisle. He was on a 2 week ALR and said he'd roped in over 60 gronks in his first week. I had to ask what he meant by gronk.
20s were choppers
25s were rats. 26s and 27s McRats
31s were Goyles or Peds
33s were Cromptons, Baggies an abbreviation on Bag pipes for a 33/1 and slim Jim.
37s were always were and still are Syphons, in my book at least, the term tractors was never used amongst my friends and I, tractors is a term, that seemed to gather pace in the last decade.
40s were whistlers
43 are zings or trams
45s and 46s were either Peaks or Wagons
47s were Duffs and I know people say its a derogatory name for them, it's always been a term of endearment in my book.
50s were hoovers, although I heard the term Logs used for them too. I fear that was certainly a derogatory name given to them by duff bashers.
56s were and still are grids
58s were known as Bones, for reasons, I'm sure someone will tell me.
59s and 66s, are Sheds.
60s are tugs, again for reasons best known to others, who will no doubt explain later, maybe its because they sound like boats.
67s are obviously skips
68s are Cats and 88s clockwork Cats, the pantograph being like a key.
70s I've heard plugs, mainly cos of the light set on their fronts or cos they're plug ugly.
73s were EDs
81s-85s were roarers
86s and 87s, I can't ever remember having a nickname.
The 89 was nicknamed the badger
90s were skodas
91s maybe nicknamed differently but my friends and I always nicknamed them Blunts, I still do.
92s were always Dysons.
I think the 60s were called tugs because of there superior haulage capabilities.
 

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No offence taken Mr Train.
Far North 37, are you doubly sure of that;):lol:
I'm sure your probably right, anyone any the wiser of an 87 nickname, 86s seemed to be nicknamed cans, can't say I honestly heard them being referred to that but I certainly don't doubt it. Why were 58s nicknamed Bones too, I heard egg timers too, I never saw a 58 shaped looking egg timer or was it a sand thing.
 
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