Back in the day...

[Kirkoswald]

I went to Norwich with a 40 a few times that year (40080 and 40172 and I think another one but my moves books are mostly non-existent from that year, I'm going on photographs!) but that day I think I was cash challenged and had 40195 to Sheffield and then went back to the Midlands for ... something or other

I *think* this (usual instamatic quality) photo is 40080 at Norwich!

40080 reached Norwich on 06/08/83. I travelled on 6 forties to Norwich that year.

 

[D1511]

Probably not, after 40-odd years of wear, tear and weathering!

I think you might be surprised.....humans have excellent facial recognition!

Tuesday 10th July 1984

2O08 07.40 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47705 xeh HA Haymarket - Glasgow QS
2O49 17.15 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh 47102 xb HA Glasgow QS - Haymarket

A humdrum day, and I was probably seated for the entirety of both journeys!

 

[D1537]

Saturday 12th July 1986
47545 1V22 Derby-Bristol TM

We didn't know what was on 1E58, although it became very clear when it got under the roof of Temple Meads. 404 was unwell and the fans were on continuously. It was extremely loud. Less welcome was noting that our guard forward was New Street's infamous "Butcher". However, he must have not been bothered about gripping at 2am, because we didn't see him.

47404 1E58 Bristol TM-Derby

At New Street the TOPS reports were being shared around, and the gods of new 47s were smiling on me for the second Saturday running.

43002+43012 1V30 Derby-B'ham NS
47538 1O01 B'ham NS-Banbury
47051 1M10 Banbury-B'ham NS
47461 1O05 B'ham NS-Oxford
47112 1E61 Oxford-B'ham NS
47491 1E22 B'ham NS-Derby
43093+43103 1M89 Derby-Leicester
47350 1M68 Leicester-B'ham NS
47350 1E82 B'ham NS-Nuneaton
86234 1P79 Nuneaton-Stafford
47503 1V99 Stafford-Coventry

 

[AJM580]

40080 reached Norwich on 06/08/83. I travelled on 6 forties to Norwich that year.

40s that I saw at Norwich that year were:

25/6/83 - 40152
2/7/83 - 40034
16/7/83 - 40129
30/7/83 - 40172
6/8/83 - 40080
13/8/83 - 40001

The other days that I saw the Manchester - Yarmouth without a 40 these were the locos

4/6/83 - 37249
23/7/83 - 37065
20/8/83 - 37082
27/8/83 - 47266
10/9/83 - 47074

Railgen Archive has some other workings listed

28/5/83 - 47194
11/6/83 - 47068
18/6/83 - 47325
3/9/83 - 40082

 

[Kirkoswald]

40s that I saw at Norwich that year were:

25/6/83 - 40152
2/7/83 - 40034
16/7/83 - 40129
30/7/83 - 40172
6/8/83 - 40080
13/8/83 - 40001

The other days that I saw the Manchester - Yarmouth without a 40 these were the locos

4/6/83 - 37249
23/7/83 - 37065
20/8/83 - 37082
27/8/83 - 47266
10/9/83 - 47074

Railgen Archive has some other workings listed

28/5/83 - 47194
11/6/83 - 47068
18/6/83 - 47325
3/9/83 - 40082

40082 was 09/07/83, not 03/09/83, but failed at Little Bytham. I was on that too but managed to recover the day by leaping Peterborough - York to have 40035 into KX.

 

[Magdalia]

3/9/83 - 40082

40082 was 09/07/83, not 03/09/83, but failed at Little Bytham.

The Manchester-Yarmouth on 03/09/83 was 40058.

 

[NorthWestRover]

Correct. I had it from Sheffield to Picc on the return (129 on the Skeg earlier).

 

[AJM580]

thanks for the corrections - I misread the entry in RailGen Archive - it was indeed 40058. I was on the North Wales Coast at the time so didnt see it.

 

[Falcon1200]

Friday 15th July 1983
50032 1605 Oxford-Paddington
37263 1650 Liverpool St-Lowestoft (to Colchester)

Thursday 15th July 1999
37519 1103 Weymouth-Bristol TM (from Bath)
37898 1646 Cardiff C-Rhymney (to Cardiff Queen St)
37407 1705 Cardiff C-Rhymney (to Lisvane)
47817 1818 Bournemouth-Manchester Picc (Didcot-Oxford)

Saturday 15th July 2000
47818 0738 Reading-Glasgow C (Oxford-Preston)
86242 0738 ditto (from Preston)

My children and I alighted to watch the loco change, not returning to our seats until well after the train had left Preston, causing the wife some concern....

 

[D1511]

Friday 15th July 1983

1M04 07.05 Edinburgh - Carlisle 47402 xd GD Edinburgh - Newcastle
1O19 09.50 Newcastle - Poole 45115 xe TO Newcastle - York
1M73 11.22 Newcastle - Liverpool LS 46011 xi GD York - Leeds
1E98 12.05 Liverpool LS - Scarborough 45059 xb TO Leeds - York
1M75 13.22 Newcastle - Liverpool LS 45020 xi TI York - Huddersfield
1E53 13.24 Llandudno - Scarborough 45056 xi TO Huddersfield - York
1E53 13.24 Llandudno - Scarborough 45063 xb TI York - Scarborough
1J12 19.10 Scarborough - Sheffield 31271 vo TI Scarborough - York
1A40 20.54 Newcastle - London KX 47107 xb BS Darlington - York
1V57 22.25 Newcastle - Paignton 47152 xb LE York - Doncaster

 

[D1511]

Saturday 16th July 1983

1N20 00.05 Kings Cross - Newcastle 47239 xos CF Doncaster - Newcastle
1V79 08.17 York - Tenby 47321 xos CD York - Leeds
1E00 07.05 Liverpool LS - Scarborough 40096 xo LO Leeds - York
2L24 08.05 Chesterfield - Scarborough 37101 xot TE York - Scarborough
IJ26 10.50 Scarborough - Sheffield 31204 vi TO Scarborough - York
1M69 12.00 Scarborough - Manchester V 47314 xos IM Malton - York
1N13 09.10 Yarmouth - Newcastle 37045 xot TE York - Newcastle (with @xotGD on board from Durham!)
1E63 09.40 Poole - Newcastle 37009 xot GD Darlington - Newcastle

 

[Donny Dave]

Not a bad day!

 

[D1537]

Saturday 16 July 1988
A couple of whoppers out on the Poole line today

86421 1V36 Rugby-Coventry
47316 1O06 Coventry-Brockenhurst (via Reading W curve)

The fact that the two trains stop at local shacks, but not the same one, makes this slightly odd move necessary

47466 1O07 Brockenhurst-New Milton
47308 1E35 New Milton-Birmingham NS (via Reading W curve)
87101 1M81 Birmingham NS-Wolverhampton
47052 1J33 Wolverhampton-Shrewsbury
dmu Shrewsbury-Birmingham NS
47624 1V99 Birmingham NS-Coventry
86413 1M82 Coventry-Rugby

 

[Falcon1200]

Saturday 16th July 1983
47188 0920 Manchester Picc-Poole (Reading-Basingstoke)
47198 1240 Poole-Manchester Picc (Basingstoke-Reading)
47482 1240 ditto (Reading-Oxford)

My day was not quite as exciting as @D1511's, thanks to working early shift at Reading Booking Office, but on finishing the required 47188 was seen and quickly taken to Basingstoke, and by good fortune the also required 47198 was on the train back!

 

[xotGD]

2L24 08.05 Chesterfield - Scarborough 37101 xot TE York - Scarborough

I never had 101

 

[D1511]

My day was not quite as exciting as @D1511's, thanks to working early shift at Reading Booking Office, but on finishing the required 47188 was seen and quickly taken to Basingstoke, and by good fortune the also required 47198 was on the train back!

Perhaps this day was not quite as exciting, but then again, I never had a required 47 turn up at my place of work!

I never had 101

Ah well, we all missed a few......
I got a few decent tractors on that Chesterfield service.....

 

[D1511]

Not a bad day!

I managed to have one or two back then!

Tuesday 17th July 1984

2O08 07.40 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47226 xos CF Haymarket - Glasgow QS
1Z11 09.05 Airdrie - Largs 37111 xb ED Easterhouse - Shettleston (not sure what this service was....perhaps someone knows? I have a vague recollection it was some sort of company or works outing but there's nothing in my book)
1O54 09.50 Glasgow C - Poole 85010 xe CE Glasgow C - Carlisle
1S41 09.30 Liverpool LS - Glasgow C 81011 xe GW Carlisle - Carstairs
1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 37125 xo ML Carstairs - Edinburgh

 

[D1537]

Friday 18 July 1986
47615 1O34 Coventry-Oxford
47472 1S39 Oxford-Coventry
87026 1S39 Coventry-Crewe
47549 1O46 Crewe-Wolverhampton

At this point it was suggested that we get off as "1G61 behind is 47049!". So we did. And then "due to a locomotive failure...". Thanks! However...

47162+47049 (dead) 1G61 Wolverhampton-Birmingham NS

The locomotive and stock off 1G61 used to do 1E78 to Leeds. 47162 dragged 47049 away, and Saltley were kind to us.

47249 1E78 Birmingham NS-Leeds (via Doncaster)
47425 1E59 Leeds-York
47417 1M41 York-Crewe

Saturday 18 July 1987
With apologies to @D1511 again...

47609 1M10 Leamington-Crewe
47598 1M70 Crewe-Stockport
47310 1M51 Stockport-Nottingham
47374 1M26 Nottingham-Blackpool North
47374 1M54 Blackpool North-Stockport
emu Stockport-Manchester Piccadilly

 

[D1537]

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[SW Rover]

Friday 18th July 1986
Start of 4 days on a Yorkshire Ranger Rover spotting trip.
45114 1E00 0703 Liverpool LS - Scarborough (Leeds to York) loco change for 45140 (York to Scarborough)
45140 1M63 1053 Scarborough - Holyhead (to York)
47569 1M73 1124 Newcastle - Liverpool LS (York to Huddersfield)
31419 1M38 1540 Hull - Liverpool LS (Doncaster to Sheffield)
45108 1E91 0933 Penzance - Newcastle (Sheffield to Leeds)

 

[D1511]

Saturday 18 July 1987
With apologies to @D1511 again.....
47310 1M51 Stockport-Nottingham

Despite being scrapped for almost a quarter of a century, it still pops up to taunt me today.....!

Wednesday 18th July 1984

2O08 07.40 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47231 xos CF Haymarket - Glasgow QS
1M22 16.20 Glasgow C - Liverpool LS 85032 xe CE Glasgow C - Carstairs
1G79 16.31 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47107 xb BS Carstairs - Edinburgh
1C84 18.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47711 xeh HA Edinburgh - Haymarket
2O49 17.15 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh 47231 xos CF Haymarket - Edinburgh

 

[D6130]

Despite being scrapped for almost a quarter of a century, it still pops up to taunt me today.....!

Wednesday 18th July 1984

2O08 07.40 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47231 xos CF Haymarket - Glasgow QS
1M22 16.20 Glasgow C - Liverpool LS 85032 xe CE Glasgow C - Carstairs
1G79 16.31 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47107 xb BS Carstairs - Edinburgh
1C84 18.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47711 xeh HA Edinburgh - Haymarket
2O49 17.15 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh 47231 xos CF Haymarket - Edinburgh

Don't wish to be a party pooper....but if you were on the 16 20 Glasgow-Carstairs, how could you have caught the 16 31 Carstairs-Edinburgh?

 

[D1511]

Don't wish to be a party pooper....but if you were on the 16 20 Glasgow-Carstairs, how could you have caught the 16 31 Carstairs
-Edinburgh?

There must have been a 20+ minute delay to the incoming WCML service at Carstairs, allowing me to catch it and get back to Edinburgh sooner. It certainly wasn't an intended -20 move!

 

[Falcon1200]

Saturday 18th July 1987
37403 0820 Glasgow Queen St-Oban
37410 1800 Oban-Glasgow Queen St

 

[SW Rover]

Saturday 19th July 1986
31425 1D20 0901 Leeds - Skegness (to Doncaster)
31446 1M44 1030 Hull - Liverpool LS (Doncaster to Sheffield)
47001 1E61 0940 Poole - Bradford Int (Sheffield to Leeds)
45148 1M79 1753 Scarborough - Liverpool LS (Leeds to Huddersfield)

 

[CW2]

There must have been a 20+ minute delay to the incoming WCML service at Carstairs, allowing me to catch it and get back to Edinburgh sooner. It certainly wasn't an intended -20 move!

I think the train in question was a through service from Poole, and was often in the region of 20+ minutes late by Carstairs.
I once had the same loco (a 26) on the 16:10 Edinburgh - Carstairs and returned with the 16:27 Carstairs - Edinburgh.
Carstairs portions were often good value for NB locos. Late running of the train from the south might cause disruption to the portion loco workings, so occasionally the Carstairs ballast loco would be fired up and put to good use.

 

[D1511]

I think the train in question was a through service from Poole, and was often in the region of 20+ minutes late by Carstairs.
I once had the same loco (a 26) on the 16:10 Edinburgh - Carstairs and returned with the 16:27 Carstairs - Edinburgh.
Carstairs portions were often good value for NB locos. Late running of the train from the south might cause disruption to the portion loco workings, so occasionally the Carstairs ballast loco would be fired up and put to good use.

I think you are right about that service being the Poole, or it may have been the Harwich PQ. A lot of scope for delays along either route! I will check my 1H8x's in storage to confirm.....
In addition to the Carstairs ballast loco being drafted into emergency passenger service from time to time, a loco failure would often result in a rescue engine being sent from Motherwell.....and what ML sent down was generally pretty tasty! I suspect that was what had happened in post #6887 above and again below - although they might have had the decency to send a different one!!

Thursday 19th July 1984

2O08 07.40 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47706 xeh HA Haymarket - Glasgow QS (2O08 wasn't always something decent!)
1E87 11.20 Glasgow C - Harwich PQ 86254 xe WN Glasgow C - Carstairs
1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 37125 xo ML Carstairs - Haymarket
2L44 14.18 Edinburgh - Dundee 40118 xb LO Haymarket - Kirkcaldy

 

[D1537]

Saturday 19 July 1986
81006 1V29 Crewe-B'ham NS
47418 1V29 B'ham NS-Cheltenham
43187+43008 1E04 Cheltenham-B'ham NS
47369 1J18 B'ham NS-Wolverhampton
87024 1A12 Wolverhampton-Coventry
47017 1M10 Coventry-B'ham NS
47113 1E72 B'ham NS-Norwich
47113 1M76 Norwich-B'ham NS
47444 1V99 B'ham NS-Coventry

A while back I was looking at the Rail-Gen page for this day. According to that, 47330 (which was at the time one of my last 15 or so 47s) did 1M88 Poole-Manchester from Reading. How did I not know about this? It would have arrived at New Street half an hour after I left to go to Norwich. Oh well, I did pick it up the year after, so nothing lost.

 

[D1537]

I think you are right about that service being the Poole. A lot of scope for delays along that route! I will check my 1H8x's in storage to confirm.....

The 16xx was indeed the portion off 1S39 from Poole up to May 1986, when the Poole was changed to run an hour or so later. In 1987 it was the 1727 Carstairs-Edinburgh.

 

[D1511]

The 16xx was indeed the portion off 1S39 from Poole up to May 1986, when the Poole was changed to run an hour or so later. In 1987 it was the 1727 Carstairs-Edinburgh.

Thanks for confirming! No great shock it was 20 late really!