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[37166]

Day 6 - Thursday 31 May 2018 - All Line Rover

43158/017 Liskeard - London Paddington *
Taxi - Paddington - Marylebone (courtesy of a chap id sat next to for the Pullman Breakfast)
68010 London Marylebone - Birmingham Moor Street
170109 Birmingham New Street - Newport
800028/023 Newport - Cardiff Central
143625/142010 Cardiff Central - Cardiff Queen Street
153323 Cardiff Queen Street - Cardiff Bay
153323 Cardiff Bay - Cardiff Queen Street
143622/150213 Cardiff Queen Street - Cardiff Central
67010 Cardiff Central - Chester **
67022 Chester - Crewe
390002 Crewe - Watford Junction ***

* This was the "Armada" and I sat in 1st and enjoyed a Pullman Breakfast from Plymouth to Swindon as the train got diverted via Bristol Temple Meads which we ran through without stopping!
** Sat in 1st and enjoyed a 3 course Meal - sat opposite 2 chaps who were also on All Lines and they shared their wine with me!
*** Was planning to go to Euston but a farce near Watford meant i had to get off at Watford!

 

[nw1]

Saturday 8th May 1982

I posted most of this a year ago, but I've now got the 87 and the details of the services I was on. Not a bad day, well afternoon and evening really.

87022 WBQ to Crewe, 1A40 09.35 Carlisle to Euston
85012 Crewe to Birmingham NS, 1V41 11.20 Liverpool to Paddington
50036 Birmingham NS to Leamington Spa, 1V41 11.20 Liverpool to Paddington
50049 Leamington Spa to Banbury, 1V48 14.38 Birmingham to Paddington
50026 Banbury to Birmingham NS, 1M15 15.50 Paddington to Birmingham
50032 Birmingham NS to Leamington Spa, 1V64 16.23 Manchester to Paddington
50035 Leamington Spa to Birmingham NS, 1M16 17.41 Paddington to Birmingham
One or two Cans back to WBQ

Sorry, this is a bit of a late reply.

There appear to be a lot of 50s on the Reading-Birmingham section. Was this typical for the 1981/82 timetable? I do remember there were perhaps just one a day in each direction by 1983/4 and 1984/5. Not sure about 82/83 - this was the year of my first XC trip but didn't really start noting traction until summer 1983.

 

[nw1]

It's odd how some locos become rare for haulage. 90025 has always been elusive. I think there may have been some technical reason that kept it off passenger workings for some time - can anybody remember? I haven't had it since 1991, which suddenly seems a very long time ago.

As I said in an earlier post "The Burma Star" (33 056) seemed to be considered rare for haulage, or even to see, on the Southern Region. Not sure if there was anything in that, for example maybe it focused on Crewe-Cardiff services? Or perhaps it was just an urban myth.

 

[nw1]

Monday 1st May 1989

50040 14:41 Birmingham NS-Birmingham Int

(Again sorry for late reply, going back over these)

Was this booked? I thought sectorisation meant the end of 50s on the Birmingham-Reading section (I presume this was headed towards Reading) by around 1986/7 or so.

 

[nw1]

Thursday 26/04/90
Attending some form of railway exhibition at the NEC:
50024 0946 Reading – Coventry

Again (see last post, replying to @Harvester) was this booked?

 

[D6130]

TUESDAY 31st MAY 1983:

Day 5 of a seven day All Line Rover:

7822/7057/7405 Petersfield-Waterloo (09 55 from Portsmouth Harbour)
43 116+43 055 12 00 Kings Cross-Darlington (to Edinburgh. Consist: E44058/42179/42181/42182/40306/41092/41091 Load 7 AB/EH) Lunch taken in restaurant car.
E53165/54219 Darlington-Eaglescliffe (14 25 Bishop Auckland-Saltburn)

Overnight with my grandmother on Teesside.

 

[nw1]

TUESDAY 31st MAY 1983:

Day 5 of a seven day All Line Rover:

7822/7057/7405 Petersfield-Waterloo (09 55 from Portsmouth Harbour)

Another day I remember what I was doing, as I spent the day at Woking. Conceivable I may even have taken this train, as I tended to arrive there mid-morning. Way too long ago to remember any of the actual allocated units/locos, and I certainly don't have records these days, but I would have presumably noted the unusual VEP on this diagram, as it repeated every 4 hours.

 

[Harvester]

(Again sorry for late reply, going back over these)

Was this booked? I thought sectorisation meant the end of 50s on the Birmingham-Reading section (I presume this was headed towards Reading) by around 1986/7 or so.

It was a regular service train, 1V96 14:41 Birmingham NS-Paddington (via Coventry and Leamington), and was the return working of the 09:40 Paddington-Birmingham NS. Class 50s regularly worked the diagram, up until the 1989 May timetable change. After that IIRC, it was retimed to a 13:45 departure, but still Class 50 worked until May 1990.

 

[nw1]

It was a regular service train, 1V96 14:41 Birmingham NS-Paddington (via Coventry and Leamington), and was the return working of the 09:40 Paddington-Birmingham NS. Class 50s regularly worked the diagram, up until the 1989 May timetable change. After that IIRC, it was retimed to a 13:45 departure, but still Class 50 worked until May 1990.

Ah ok, thanks for that. This (about 1987-95) is my "blank" period for XC.

 

[1971martin]

Saturday 31st May 2003 - Crewe Works open day

90007 0655 Euston - Crewe
90018 1650 Crewe - Euston (approx 3 hrs late arriving into Euston due to earlier OHLE problems south of Milton Keynes and a later major signalling failure also south of MK. Can't complain though as I went to the buffet car for something to eat and got sandwiches and beer for free!)

Saturday 31st May 2008

91122 0900 Kings X - Doncaster
91127 1055 Doncaster - Retford
91132 1250 Retford - Kings X

 

[D6130]

Today is the first anniversary of my earliest contribution to this thread, apart from commenting on other peoples posts. As stated upthread, I don't intend to repeat any dates, but I shall continue to contribute more recently-discovered data and any further dates which come to light in the future.

WEDNESDAY 1st JUNE 1983:

Day 6 of a seven day All Line Rover:

E53149/59085/53265 Thornaby-Darlington (09 25 from Saltburn)
43 103+43 078 Darlington-Edinburgh (08 00 from Kings Cross. Consist: E44074/42234/42233/42232/42169/40318/41114/41113 Load 8 AB/EH)
47 402 13 22 Edinburgh-Inverness via Ladybank (Consist: SC5325/M5273/SC5401/9463/6518/13553/5271/W81226 Load 8 AB/EH
37 261 17 40 Inverness-Brora (to Wick/Thurso. Consist: SC9007/4903/4771/80965/E4896/SC4221 Load 6 VB/SH)
37 262 Brora-Inverness (18 00 from Wick/Thurso. Consist: E80785/SC4775/9012/4341/4704/81152 Load 6 VB/SH)

Overnight in a B & B in Inverness.

 

[Harvester]

Friday 1st June 1990

47488 12:16 Newcastle-Darlington
47422 14:35 Darlington-Newcastle

Tuesday 1st June 1993

47812 11:39 Derby-York
47845 17:25 York-Derby

 

[xotGD]

47 402 13 22 Edinburgh-Inverness

On my first Freedom of Scotland, doing the overnight from Edinburgh to Inverness I opened my eyes at Perth to see 47402 trundling past. There was no escape from the Generators!

 

[NorthWestRover]

Sorry, this is a bit of a late reply.

There appear to be a lot of 50s on the Reading-Birmingham section. Was this typical for the 1981/82 timetable? I do remember there were perhaps just one a day in each direction by 1983/4 and 1984/5. Not sure about 82/83 - this was the year of my first XC trip but didn't really start noting traction until summer 1983.

I think so. 81/82 and 82/83.

 

[37166]

Day 7 - Friday 01 June 2018

90045 Watford Junction - Carstairs
90047 Carstairs - Edinburgh Waverley
170471 Edinburgh Waverley - Inverkeithing
68006 Inverkeithing - Edinburgh Waverley (scored)
91110 Edinburgh Waverley - Newcastle Central
91131 Newcastle Central - Edinburgh Waverley
43320/319 Edinburgh Waverley - Berwick Upon Tweed
43367/277 Berwick Upon Tweed - Leuchars
43274/306 Leuchars - Inverkeithing
68006 Inverkeithing - Glenrothes for Thornton
68006 Glenrothes for Thornton - Edinburgh Waverley*
86401 Edinburgh Waverley - Glasgow Queen Street
37025 Glasgow Queen Street - Ayr
86401 Ayr - Largs

*Last Move on All Line, dropped nicely into the SRPS Routes and Branches Tour
** Scored 9 loco's for haulage which i thought was pretty impressive!!

1 845.65 miles
2 852.50 miles
3 838.81 miles
4 1103.23 miles
5 1205.08 miles
6 797.19 miles
7 911.86 miles

6554.32 route miles - how does that compare to others mileage for a weekly All Line?

 

[Cheshire Scot]

1st June 1963

The Jacobite

08.41 Helensburgh Upper to Mallaig (07.53 from Glasgow Queen Street).

Load 9 coaches throughout. The first of many trips to Fort William and Mallaig.

Helensburgh Upper to Gorton 256 ‘Glen Douglas’ + 64632 (J37). At Gorton 64632 was detached ‘overheating’ .
Gorton to Rannoch – 256 unassisted (and obviously built up enough momentum on the falling gradients across the Moor to conquer the final rise at 1in 50 from The Gaur Viaduct up to Rannoch!)
45 min late passing Bridge of Orchy became 1 hr 39 late departing Rannoch
Rannoch to Fort William – D6137 + 256
Fort William to Mallaig – 64636 + 64592 (by now two and a quarter hours late from FW).
On arrival at Mallaig both locos ‘unfit to return’. Fortunately there was a diesel on hand.

14.30 Mallaig to Helensburgh Upper (to Glasgow Queen St). Departed at 17.12 – D5351 throughout with shunt to release loco at Fort William by D4097
Lateness departing Fort William reduced to just over two hours from Fort William and reached Helensburgh Upper just after 23.00 (due at 21.04)
With acknowledgments to Six Bells Junction for much of the fine detail which has leaked from my memory over the 59 years which have elapsed since that day although I do have some photographs somewhere.

Without the detail from Six Bells Junction the various legs would have been summarised as ‘256 + a J37’ / ‘256’ / ‘NBL Type 2 + 256’ / ‘2 x J37’ and for the return, ‘BRCW Type 2’, arriving home approx. 2 hrs late around 23.00! And with no mention at all of the long forgotten role of the Fort William yard pilot.

 

[xotGD]

1st June 1963

The Jacobite

08.41 Helensburgh Upper to Mallaig (07.53 from Glasgow Queen Street).

Load 9 coaches throughout. The first of many trips to Fort William and Mallaig.

Helensburgh Upper to Gorton 256 ‘Glen Douglas’ + 64632 (J37). At Gorton 64632 was detached ‘overheating’ .
Gorton to Rannoch – 256 unassisted (and obviously built up enough momentum on the falling gradients across the Moor to conquer the final rise at 1in 50 from The Gaur Viaduct up to Rannoch!)
45 min late passing Bridge of Orchy became 1 hr 39 late departing Rannoch
Rannoch to Fort William – D6137 + 256
Fort William to Mallaig – 64636 + 64592 (by now two and a quarter hours late from FW).
On arrival at Mallaig both locos ‘unfit to return’. Fortunately there was a diesel on hand.

14.30 Mallaig to Helensburgh Upper (to Glasgow Queen St). Departed at 17.12 – D5351 throughout with shunt to release loco at Fort William by D4097
Lateness departing Fort William reduced to just over two hours from Fort William and reached Helensburgh Upper just after 23.00 (due at 21.04)
With acknowledgments to Six Bells Junction for much of the fine detail which has leaked from my memory over the 59 years which have elapsed since that day although I do have some photographs somewhere.

Without the detail from Six Bells Junction the various legs would have been summarised as ‘256 + a J37’ / ‘256’ / ‘NBL Type 2 + 256’ / ‘2 x J37’ and for the return, ‘BRCW Type 2’, arriving home approx. 2 hrs late around 23.00! And with no mention at all of the long forgotten role of the Fort William yard pilot.

That's quite a eventful day out - and is this the furthest back in time we've been on this thread?

Seven locos for haulage on the one trip, not a bad haul.

 

[D6130]

1st June 1963

The Jacobite

08.41 Helensburgh Upper to Mallaig (07.53 from Glasgow Queen Street).

Load 9 coaches throughout. The first of many trips to Fort William and Mallaig.

Helensburgh Upper to Gorton 256 ‘Glen Douglas’ + 64632 (J37). At Gorton 64632 was detached ‘overheating’ .
Gorton to Rannoch – 256 unassisted (and obviously built up enough momentum on the falling gradients across the Moor to conquer the final rise at 1in 50 from The Gaur Viaduct up to Rannoch!)
45 min late passing Bridge of Orchy became 1 hr 39 late departing Rannoch
Rannoch to Fort William – D6137 + 256
Fort William to Mallaig – 64636 + 64592 (by now two and a quarter hours late from FW).
On arrival at Mallaig both locos ‘unfit to return’. Fortunately there was a diesel on hand.

14.30 Mallaig to Helensburgh Upper (to Glasgow Queen St). Departed at 17.12 – D5351 throughout with shunt to release loco at Fort William by D4097
Lateness departing Fort William reduced to just over two hours from Fort William and reached Helensburgh Upper just after 23.00 (due at 21.04)
With acknowledgments to Six Bells Junction for much of the fine detail which has leaked from my memory over the 59 years which have elapsed since that day although I do have some photographs somewhere.

Without the detail from Six Bells Junction the various legs would have been summarised as ‘256 + a J37’ / ‘256’ / ‘NBL Type 2 + 256’ / ‘2 x J37’ and for the return, ‘BRCW Type 2’, arriving home approx. 2 hrs late around 23.00! And with no mention at all of the long forgotten role of the Fort William yard pilot.

That sure was some day out! I never managed to get D6137 for haulage as a class 29 rebuild - let alone in its original form - and I'm pretty sure that I never had any of the steam locos. I'm quite impressed that it managed that onerous task without failing/going on fire/exploding, etc, etc. As for D5351, I had it for haulage on numerous occasions and it still lives on to this day as 27 005 at Bo'ness.

 

[1971martin]

Monday 1st June 1998 - day 1 of a 14 day all line rover

1588+1584 0546 Folkestone W - Ashford (13.25)
1588+1584+1562 0610 Ashford - Tonbridge (26.50)
1557 0650 Tonbridge - Redhill (19.50)
3533+3517 0727 Redhill - E Croydon (10.50)
319007+319004 0748 E Croydon - Clapham Jn (7.75)
319013 0813 Clapham Jn - Milton Keynes (50.75)
90010 0934 Milton Keynes - Stockport (loco on rear propelling northbound) (128.00)
90015 1138 Stockport - Macclesfield (terminated Macclesfield due to loco fault) (12.00)
90010 1255 Macclesfield - Stoke (loco on front leading southbound) (19.75)
90014 1345 Stoke - Manchester P (37.75)
90009 1430 Manchester P - Stoke (37.75)
86244 1517 Stoke - Stafford (16.00)
47841 1625 Stafford - Wolverhampton (15.25)
37069 1649 Wolverhampton - Birmingham NS (12.75)
37069 1721 Birmingham NS - Chester (via Aston, Bescot ,Crewe) (74.50)
L840 (Class 101 DMU) 1938 Chester - Crewe (21.00)
90001 2015 Crewe - Euston (158.00)
1559+3584 2300 Charing X - Ashford (56.00)
1559 0021 Ashford - Folkestone W (13.25)

Day 1 - 730.25 miles

 

[Harvester]

1st June 1963

The Jacobite

08.41 Helensburgh Upper to Mallaig (07.53 from Glasgow Queen Street).

Load 9 coaches throughout. The first of many trips to Fort William and Mallaig.

Helensburgh Upper to Gorton 256 ‘Glen Douglas’ + 64632 (J37). At Gorton 64632 was detached ‘overheating’ .
Gorton to Rannoch – 256 unassisted (and obviously built up enough momentum on the falling gradients across the Moor to conquer the final rise at 1in 50 from The Gaur Viaduct up to Rannoch!)
45 min late passing Bridge of Orchy became 1 hr 39 late departing Rannoch
Rannoch to Fort William – D6137 + 256
Fort William to Mallaig – 64636 + 64592 (by now two and a quarter hours late from FW).
On arrival at Mallaig both locos ‘unfit to return’. Fortunately there was a diesel on hand.

14.30 Mallaig to Helensburgh Upper (to Glasgow Queen St). Departed at 17.12 – D5351 throughout with shunt to release loco at Fort William by D4097
Lateness departing Fort William reduced to just over two hours from Fort William and reached Helensburgh Upper just after 23.00 (due at 21.04)
With acknowledgments to Six Bells Junction for much of the fine detail which has leaked from my memory over the 59 years which have elapsed since that day although I do have some photographs somewhere.

Without the detail from Six Bells Junction the various legs would have been summarised as ‘256 + a J37’ / ‘256’ / ‘NBL Type 2 + 256’ / ‘2 x J37’ and for the return, ‘BRCW Type 2’, arriving home approx. 2 hrs late around 23.00! And with no mention at all of the long forgotten role of the Fort William yard pilot.

Excellent day out, few reports get posted on this thread from that period. I saw the “Glen“ 256 stored inside Haymarket shed, alongside a couple of A4s six weeks prior to that tour.

The furthest back in time I have gone on the thread (post #1576), was a trip to York on 22nd August 1962 when I was a young teenage. Maybe a few more from the steam era will appear?

 

[Cheshire Scot]

The furthest back in time I have gone on the thread (post #1576), was a trip to York on 22nd August 1962 when I was a young teenage. Maybe a few more from the steam era will appear?

Courtesy of Six Bells Junction I have found another Steam Tour I was on, this time from 1965 - I could already quote loco numbers and route but could not recall the date. Watch this space for a couple of Gresley Pacifics in the coming days.

 

[37166]

Friday 01 June 1984

43116/117 Kettering-Leicester
DMU Leicester-Derby
45123 Derby-Birmingham New Street
81022 Birmingham New Street-Crewe
33031 Crewe-Shrewsbury
47603 Shrewsbury-Crewe
86255 Crewe-Nuneaton
31102 Nuneaton-Leicester
43054/104 Leicester-Kettering

*Spotting day out

 

[D6130]

THURSDAY 2nd JUNE 1983:

Day 7 of a seven day All Line Rover:

26 032 06 55 Inverness-Kyle of Lochalsh (Consist: SC4909/81330/24436/25296 Load 4 VB/SH)
M.V. "Kyleakin" Kyle-Kyleakin
Bus: Kyleakin-Broadford
Bus: Broadford-Armadale
M.V. "Pioneer" Armadale-Mallaig
37 178 12 25 Mallaig-Arisaig (to Fort William. Consist: SC1998/1999/24427/9005/4428/9360 Load 6 VB/DH)
37 012 Arisaig-Fort William (16 10 from Mallaig. Consist: SC4772/34923 Load 2 VB/DH)
37 012 18 22 Fort William-Dumbarton Central (to Glasgow QS LL/Euston. Consist: SC34923/4772/9005/M21242/4918/2006/2830 Load 7 VB/SH)
314 211 Dumbarton Central-Hyndland via Singer (21 38 Balloch Central-Airdrie)

The lengthy stop in Arisaig enabled me to enjoy a leisurely lunch and a couple of pints at the Arisaig Inn.

 

[37166]

Saturday 02 June 1984*

43121/160 Kettering-Leicester
53076/59598/53118 Leicester-Nuneaton
86209 Nuneaton-Crewe
86220 Crewe-Birmingham New Street
43181/182 Birmingham New Street-Derby
HST Derby-Kettering

* Attended probably the best ever open day at Crewe Works.

 

[NorthWestRover]

Pretty good for a spotting day.

What was the Goyle doing on Kettering to Leicester run?

Friday 01 June 1984

43116/117 Kettering-Leicester
DMU Leicester-Derby
45123 Derby-Birmingham New Street
81022 Birmingham New Street-Crewe
33031 Crewe-Shrewsbury
47603 Shrewsbury-Crewe
86255 Crewe-Nuneaton
31102 Kettering-Leicester
43054/104 Leicester-Kettering

*Spotting day out

 

[CD]

Saturday 2nd June 1984.

45038 York-Blackpool (0800 York-Blackpool)
45038 Blackpool-York (1215 Blackpool-Newcastle)
HST York-Chesterfield (1606 York-Cardiff)
46035 Chesterfield-Leeds (1035 Penzance-Leeds)
45138 Leeds-Huddersfield (1750 Newcastle-Liverpool)
45103 Huddersfield-York (1732 Bangor-York)

 

[D6130]

Nothing from me now until 6th June....much to the relief of my keyboard and fingers!

 

[37166]

Keyboard error Well spotted!

 

[NorthWestRover]

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[1971martin]

Thursday 2nd June 1988 - Midline day ranger during a family holiday based in Coalbrookdale, near Telford

150149 0931 Telford C - Birmingham NS
150131 1041 Birmingham NS - Nuneaton
150105 1137 Nuneaton - Birmingham NS
310061 1234 Birmingham NS - Walsall
310061 1305 Walsall - Bescot
310081 1339 Bescot - Birmingham NS
It does get better, Honestly!
85025 1511 Birmingham NS - Coventry
86254 1556 Coventry - Birmingham NS
86403 1819 Birmingham NS - Wolverhampton
47590 1850 Wolverhampton - Shrewsbury
47590 2004 Shrewsbury - Telford C

Tuesday 2nd June 1998 - day 2 of a 14 day all line rover

3494+3570 0504 Folkestone W - Tonbridge (39.75)
1511 0600 Tonbridge - Redhill (19.50)
319433 0632 Redhill - E Croydon (10.50)
319003 0654 E Croydon - Watford Jn (26.25)
90006 0816 Watford Jn - Crewe (140.50)
37415 1053 Crewe - Birmingham NS (via Bescot & Aston) (53.50)
37415 1158 Birmingham NS - Stafford (28.00)
47822 1322 Stafford - Birmingham NS (28.00)
37422 1423 Birmingham NS - Chester (73.50)
37891 1633 Chester - Crewe (21.00)
37891 1717 Crewe - Chester (21.00)
37415 1833 Chester - Crewe (21.00)
87001 1909 Crewe - Euston (158.00)
3582+3806 2200 Charing X - Ashford (56.00)
3582 2320 Ashford - Folkestone W (13.25)

Day 2 709.75 miles
Mileage so far 1440 miles

Thursday 2nd June 2005

90039 1722 Euston - Northampton
321421 1842 Northampton - Milton Keynes
90022 1905 Milton Keynes - Northampton
321336+321426 1932 Northampton - Euston