Back in the day...

[NorthWestRover]

Saturday 15th May 1982

This was my first really good day bashing 40s. I'd done some limited moves in the earlier part of the year, but this day was typical of what the following 12 to 18 months would be like (despite the Rat on the Bangor)

25080 WBQ to Rhyl, 1D34 07.45 Man Vic to Bangor
40184 Rhyl to Chester, 1J66 09.44 Llandudno to Man Vic
40029 Chester to Bangor, 1D35 09.45 Man Vic to Bangor
40073 Bangor to Chester, 1K29 12.06 Holyhead to Crewe. Only time I had 073.
40029 Chester to Man Vic, 1J22 13.58 Bangor to Man Vic
40191 Man Vic to Preston, service unknown
Can to WBQ
40020 WBQ to Rhyl, 1D65 17.45 Man Vic to Bangor (this should have been 029)
25080 Rhyl to WBQ, 1J31 19.25 Bangor to Man Vic

And there endeth all the moves I still have a record of. You never know, some others might appear...

I'll keep watching the thread though.

 

[D6130]

FRIDAY 15th MAY 1981:

Another weekend trip to Ireland:

303 014/068 Hyndland-Glasgow QS LL (07 47 Helensburgh Central-Airdrie)
87 010 Glasgow Central-Carstairs (17 50 to Birmingham New Street. Consist: M5767/5278/5894/1742/5954/13610/9513/81610 Load 8 AB/EH)
86 103 Carstairs-Preston (18 23 Glasgow C/Edinburgh-Liverpool Lime St. Consist: M14122/5433/5546/5277/13518/5582/5258/13543/W5461/M9451
Load 10 AB/EH)
86 103 Preston-Warrington BQ (20 45 Barrow-Euston. Consist: M80368/80412/81437/80769/24586/4978/16229/35305/E80827/M2017/2828 Load 11 AB/EH)
47 109 Warrington BQ-Holyhead (22 38 from Manchester Vic. Consist: M35181/15937/24126/25835/25626/25713/16189/35449/81393 Load 9 VB/DH)


WEDNESDAY 15th MAY 1985:

73 117 4B66, 17 54 Brighton-London Bridge (via Quarry) parcels & mail. (Consist: E80648/S268/260/93724/93804/W93360 Load 6 VB/DH)

 

[Falcon1200]

Sunday 15th May 1983
47443 2215 Euston-Glasgow C via Kilmarnock (from Carlisle)
47704 0905 Glasgow Queen St-Inverness (to Dundee)
HST 1005 Aberdeen-Kings X (Dundee-Edinburgh)
27036 1405 Edinburgh-Dundee (to Cupar)
47012 1500 Dundee-Edinburgh (from Cupar)
47404 1710 Edinburgh-Inverness (to Dunkeld)
47531 1710 Inverness-Queen St (from Dunkeld)
86001 2355 Glasgow C-Bristol TM (to Carlisle)

Monday 15th May 1989
BB8624 0752 Toulouse-La Tour de Carol
Z118 1042 La Tour de Carol-Villefranche (metre gauge line, a wonderful journey)
Z7364 1310 Villefranche-Perpignan
BB8617 1330 Cerbere-Narbonne (from Perpignan)
Z7397 1129 Bordeaux-Nice (Narbonne-Beziers)
Z7357 1607 Beziers-Neussargues

 

[CW2]

Saturday 15th May 1982

<snip>
40029 Chester to Bangor, 1D35 09.45 Man Vic to Bangor

40029 Chester to Man Vic, 1J22 13.58 Bangor to Man Vic

40020 WBQ to Rhyl, 1D65 17.45 Man Vic to Bangor (this should have been 029)

40029 was a notably weak loco. It was suggested that Longsight had experimentally de-rated a few class 40s with a view to reducing maintenance costs. I've no idea whether or not this was true, but I never had a good run with it.
It's possible it was just due an exam, but more likely the driver failed it for low power, hence the swap

 

[NorthWestRover]

40029 was a notably weak loco. It was suggested that Longsight had experimentally de-rated a few class 40s with a view to reducing maintenance costs. I've no idea whether or not this was true, but I never had a good run with it.
It's possible it was just due an exam, but more likely the driver failed it for low power, hence the swap

Monday 2nd May 1983


40029 Preston to Barrow, 1P27 15.13 Manchester to Barrow
40029 Barrow to Carnforth, 1F32 18.23 Barrow to Liverpool
FAILED!
40034 (dragging 029) Carnforth to Lime St, 1F32 18.23 Barrow to Liverpool

My emphasis added.

 

[D1537]

It was suggested that Longsight had experimentally de-rated a few class 40s with a view to reducing maintenance costs. I've no idea whether or not this was true, but I never had a good run with it.

Derated: 40018 / 027 / 029 / 095 / 097 / 098 / 117 / 119 / 177 / 180

 

[NorthWestRover]

Other than 122, 177 was the penultimate 40 I had for haulage. Wigan to Lime St.

 

[Magdalia]

Derated: 40018 / 027 / 029 / 095 / 097 / 098 / 117 / 119 / 177 / 180

What period was this please?

 

[D1537]

Derated: 40018 / 027 / 029 / 095 / 097 / 098 / 117 / 119 / 177 / 180

What period was this please?

Late 70s - early 80s.

Notoriously the "worst" one was 40018.

40177 at least would have almost certainly been "unsnipped" later on as it had a Crewe Works overhaul in 1981.

 

[Harvester]

Sunday 16th May 1982

A visit to the NYMR. Rare Q6 haulage, plus the Class 24.

2238 (ex BR 63395) 11:55 Grosmont-Goathland
DMU 12:10 Goathland-Pickering
D5032 14:20 Pickering-Goathland
2238 15:12 Goathland-Grosmont

 

[Magdalia]

Late 70s - early 80s.

Notoriously the "worst" one was 40018.

40177 at least would have almost certainly been "unsnipped" later on as it had a Crewe Works overhaul in 1981.

Thanks.

I was intrigued because 40119 worked a railtour on the ECML in 1979 and 40027 was used a number of times on the Cleethorpes papers in 1982. I would have thought it unlikely that derated locos would have been used in those instances?

 

[CW2]

Derated: 40018 / 027 / 029 / 095 / 097 / 098 / 117 / 119 / 177 / 180

Thanks for the list. There's a couple in there which always evaded me - perhaps for the best.
I never knew if the temporary de-rating was just a local initiative, or whether it was more widely known. So - for example - did loco controllers on other regions have any indication of the lower power rating of these locos when allocating them to services?

 

[Falcon1200]

Monday 16th May 1983
85008 2240 Euston-Inverness (Carlisle-Mossend)
47469 ditto (Mossend-Stirling)
DMU Stirling-Dunblane
26035 0750 Dundee-Glasgow Queen St (Dunblane-Stirling)
DMU Stirling-Edinburgh
27018 1017 Edinburgh-Dundee (to Haymarket)
27020 0921 Dundee-Edinburgh (from Haymarket)
47706 1130 Edinburgh-Queen St
47706 1230 Queen St-Edinburgh (to Haymarket)

Tuesday 16th May 1989
6010 0551 Aurillac-Clermont Ferrand (from Neussargues)
6045 1020 Clermont Ferrand-St Germain
67479 & 67366 0724 Grenoble-Nantes (St Germain-Tours)
2051 1436 Tours-Caen (to Le Mans)
BB22374 Paris Montparnasse-St Brieuc (from Tours)

 

[D6130]

SATURDAY 16th MAY 1981:

En route to Ireland again:

M.V. "St Columba" 03 15 Holyhead-Dun Laoghaire
232 07 23 Dun Laoghaire-Dublin Connolly (Consist: 6105/6320/6318/6314/6202 + loco propelling)


MONDAY 16th MAY 1983:

Another long weekend in Ireland:

011 Bray-Wexford (09 35 Dublin Connolly-Rosslare Harbour)
011 Wexford-Bray (14 45 Rosslare Harbour-Dublin Connolly)


THURSDAY 16th MAY 1985:

73 104 4B66, 17 54 Brighton-London Bridge (via Quarry) parcels & Mail. (Consist: E80648/S268/260/93724/93804/M93904. Load 6 VB/DH)

 

[D1537]

Thanks.

I was intrigued because 40119 worked a railtour on the ECML in 1979 and 40027 was used a number of times on the Cleethorpes papers in 1982. I would have thought it unlikely that derated locos would have been used in those instances?

1979 *may* have been before 119 was snipped. Having said that they were very variable (40117 in particular didn't appear to have many issues). The Cleethorpes papers wasn't an onerous job so it's unlikely to have been seen as a problem. I had 027 a number of times in 1981-82 and it went reasonably well with a middling load.

Thanks for the list. There's a couple in there which always evaded me - perhaps for the best.
I never knew if the temporary de-rating was just a local initiative, or whether it was more widely known. So - for example - did loco controllers on other regions have any indication of the lower power rating of these locos when allocating them to services?

No, they were only downrated slightly (to around 1800hp was the plan, to make them more reliable and extend maintenance times, using the governors and control electronics). I'm pretty sure 99% of anything they'd have been allocated to could be dealt with by a "snipped" loco.

 

[CW2]

1979 *may* have been before 119 was snipped. Having said that they were very variable (40117 in particular didn't appear to have many issues). The Cleethorpes papers wasn't an onerous job so it's unlikely to have been seen as a problem. I had 027 a number of times in 1981-82 and it went reasonably well with a middling load.




No, they were only downrated slightly (to around 1800hp was the plan, to make them more reliable and extend maintenance times, using the governors and control electronics). I'm pretty sure 99% of anything they'd have been allocated to could be dealt with by a "snipped" loco.

I refer to my experience with 40029 on the Highland Main Line earlier in this thread:

Back in the day...

Monday 5th May 1986 37426 Wolverhampton to Aberystwyth 8 Aberystwyth to Devil's Bridge 8 Devil's Bridge to Aberystwyth 37426 Aberystwyth to Wolverhampton Bank Holiday Monday, £5 special, see posts 260 to 276 earlier on this thread for photos and more discussion. Same for me, except I had it...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[D1537]

I refer to my experience with 40029 on the Highland Main Line earlier in this thread:

Back in the day...

Monday 5th May 1986 37426 Wolverhampton to Aberystwyth 8 Aberystwyth to Devil's Bridge 8 Devil's Bridge to Aberystwyth 37426 Aberystwyth to Wolverhampton Bank Holiday Monday, £5 special, see posts 260 to 276 earlier on this thread for photos and more discussion. Same for me, except I had it...

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Doesn't surprise me. 29 was one of the weaker ones and putting it up the Highland was asking for trouble. Mind you, I had ECML stalwart 40068 up the middle on the sleepers and it really struggled too.

 

[NorthWestRover]

I had 027 a number of times in 1981-82 and it went reasonably well with a middling load.

It seemed to be a favourite on 1M71 09.00 SO York to Llandudno in 1982. I had it three times on that service and it did at least one more.

 

[Harvester]

Monday 17th May 1999

Travelling back from Teesside.

158??? 11:21 Thornaby-York
91027 12:32 York-Doncaster
43195+43??? 13:31 Doncaster-Derby

 

[D6130]

SATURDAY 17th MAY 1983:

Returning from another long weekend in Ireland:

056 Bray-Dublin Connolly (07 45 from Rosslare Harbour)
111 11 00 Dublin Connolly-Belfast Central
72/725/701 (in Sealink livery) 14 20 Belfast York Road-Larne Harbour
M.V. "Galloway Princess" 15 30 Larne Harbour-Stranraer Harbour
27 025 18 36 Stranraer Harbour-Glasgow Central. (Consist: SC26192/26101/24084/26133/25448/35440 Load 6 VB/SH)

 

[Falcon1200]

Thursday 17th May 1984
47049 1638 Glasgow Queen St-Dundee (to Stirling)
37192 1735 Glasgow Queen St-Perth (Larbert-Dunblane)

Wednesday 17th May 1989
67351 0741 St Brieuc-Dol
4793 0845 Rennes-Caen (from Dol)
2067 1045 Cherbourg-Paris St Lazare (from Caen)
BB16062 1421 Paris St Lazare-Rouen
8379 1630 Rouen-Amiens

 

[Graeme.Hutchis]

17th May 1986. Another Saturday on a Strathclyde day tripper ticket

303077 Gourock - Glasgow 06.14 x Gourock
47532 Glasgow - Barrhead 07.40 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M01
37142 Barrhead - Glasgow 05.55 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S90
37142 Glasgow - Kilmarnock 09.45 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M02
47401 Kilmarnock - Glasgow 06.55 Preston - Glasgow 1S50
37033 Queen St - Eastfield 08.30 Inverness - Bristol 1V84
47464 Eastfield - Mossend As above 1V84
81005 Mossend - Carstairs As above 1V84
86225 Carstairs - Glasgow 07.35 Cardiff - Glasgow 1S61
47053 Glasgow - Barrhead 15.45 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M89
37142 Barrhead - Glasgow 13.55 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S37
47623 Glasgow - Kilmarnock 17.30 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M56
47140 Kilmarnock - Glasgow 17.55 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S88
303024 Glasgow - Paisley 20.25 Glasgow - Gourock
47562 Paisley - Glasgow 18.30 Stranraer - Glasgow 1A06
47532 Glasgow - Paisley 22.01 Glasgow - Stranraer 1A05
51803 Paisley Glasgow 21.15 Ayr - Glasgow
303058 Glasgow - Branchton 22.45 Glasgow - Wemyss Bay

 

[barrowjack]

17th May 1986. Another Saturday on a Strathclyde day tripper ticket

303077 Gourock - Glasgow 06.14 x Gourock
47532 Glasgow - Barrhead 07.40 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M01
37142 Barrhead - Glasgow 05.55 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S90
37142 Glasgow - Kilmarnock 09.45 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M02
47401 Kilmarnock - Glasgow 06.55 Preston - Glasgow 1S50
37033 Queen St - Eastfield 08.30 Inverness - Bristol 1V84
47464 Eastfield - Mossend As above 1V84
81005 Mossend - Carstairs As above 1V84
86225 Carstairs - Glasgow 07.35 Cardiff - Glasgow 1S61
47053 Glasgow - Barrhead 15.45 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M89
37142 Barrhead - Glasgow 13.55 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S37
47623 Glasgow - Kilmarnock 17.30 Glasgow - Carlisle 1M56
47140 Kilmarnock - Glasgow 17.55 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S88
303024 Glasgow - Paisley 20.25 Glasgow - Gourock
47562 Paisley - Glasgow 18.30 Stranraer - Glasgow 1A06
47532 Glasgow - Paisley 22.01 Glasgow - Stranraer 1A05
51803 Paisley Glasgow 21.15 Ayr - Glasgow
303058 Glasgow - Branchton 22.45 Glasgow - Wemyss Bay

@Graeme.Hutchis That was the day that there was supposed to be an open day at either Eastfield or Glasgow Works IIRC. I was also on the 06:55 Preston to Glasgow, all the way from Lancaster to Glasgow that morning heading to it, we found out at Carlisle that the Open day was cancelled, but we carried on to Glasgow anyway. I have lost most of my moves from that day, however I was also on 37033, 47464 and 81005, baled off that at Carstairs for a cross platform dash for 47459 on the Edinburgh portion shunt, then back with the 81 to Lancaster. Not sure what I did in between 47401 and 37033 though (if anything!)

 

[D6130]

THURSDAY 18th MAY 1978:

Another after-work Crompton bash, but this time on the 18 10 Waterloo-Salisbury instead of the 19 00 to Exeter, in order to get a required 33/1:

7338/7130/7396 Petersfield-Waterloo (06 23 from Portsmouth Harbour)
7414/7829 Waterloo-Wimbledon (08 08 to Woking)
5129/5114 Wimbledon-Waterloo (17 14 from Effingham Junction)
33 108 + 434/406 18 10 Waterloo-Woking (to Salisbury)
7051/7052/7391 Woking-Petersfield (18 20 Waterloo-Portsmouth Harbour)

This was day of unusual workings on the SWD. Not only the appearance of ex-works Ramsgate-allocated 4-CEP no. 7130 sandwiched between to 4-CIGs, which caused severe overcrowding on a service booked for 12-VEP....but also two buffet units on the 18 20 from Waterloo - with only one in use of course.


MONDAY 18th MAY 1981:

Returning from a long weekend in Ireland via Holyhead, instead of Stranraer, for a change:

M.V. "St Columba" 09 00 Dun Laoghaire-Holyhead
47 456 12 45 Holyhead-Crewe (to Euston. Consist: M81438/80900/14031/13317/4963/1735/4885/4918/4931/5026/4951/9385 Load 12 VB/DH)
85 018 16 05 Crewe-Preston (to Barrow. Consist: M25906/25979/25717/13325/35327 Load 5 VB/DH)
86 215 Preston-Glasgow Central (xx xx Manchester Victoria-Glasgow Central/xx xx Liverpool Lime Street-Edinburgh. Consist: M5600/5571/5421/1674 /13528/81550/14134/13548/5419/5265/14132 Load 11 AB/EH. Rear 5 vehicles detached at Carstairs)
314 206 Glasgow Central LL-Hyndland

 

[Graeme.Hutchis]

18th May 1987

81005 Carlisle - Glasgow 21.45 Bristol - Glasgow 1S19
37408 Queen St - Dumbarton 05.40 Queen St - Fort William
314215 Dumbarton - Glasgow LL 06.08 Balloch - Motherwell
47707 Queen St - Stirling 07.25 Queen St - Aberdeen
47705 Stirling - Queen St 05.00 Aberdeen - Queen St
87032 Glasgow - Carlisle 10.50 Glasgow - Plymouth 1V73
47656 Carlisle - Annan 13.52 Carlisle - Glasgow 1S37
47665 Annan - Carlisle 10.55 Stranraer - London 1M06
87007 Carlisle - Carstairs 10.28 Plymouth - Glasgow 1S71
47633 Carstairs - Edinburgh 10.28 Plymouth - Edinburgh 1A69
47701 Edinburgh - Queen St 20.00 Edinburgh - Queen St
303090 Glasgow - Branchton 21.35 Glasgow - Wemyss Bay

 

[Graeme.Hutchis]

18th May 1985,Just found this ,

37119+47623 08.05 Glasgow - Carlisle via Kilmarnock 08.05 Glasgow - Euston 1M35

47607 Carlisle - Glasgow via Kilmarnock 09.22 Liverpool - Glasgow `1S41

 

[xotGD]

18th May 1985,Just found this ,

37119+47623 08.05 Glasgow - Carlisle via Kilmarnock 08.05 Glasgow - Euston 1M35

47607 Carlisle - Glasgow via Kilmarnock 09.22 Liverpool - Glasgow `1S41

A very nice find!

 

[Peter Sarf]

@Graeme.Hutchis That was the day that there was supposed to be an open day at either Eastfield or Glasgow Works IIRC. I was also on the 06:55 Preston to Glasgow, all the way from Lancaster to Glasgow that morning heading to it, we found out at Carlisle that the Open day was cancelled, but we carried on to Glasgow anyway. I have lost most of my moves from that day, however I was also on 37033, 47464 and 81005, baled off that at Carstairs for a cross platform dash for 47459 on the Edinburgh portion shunt, then back with the 81 to Lancaster. Not sure what I did in between 47401 and 37033 though (if anything!)

That rings a bell (17/05/1986). Myself and a friend travelled all the way from Kent to Glasgow to discover the open day at Glasgow works had been cancelled !.

A few years ago I was disappointed when the Wolverton Works open day was cancelled but a lot further in advance.

 

[D6130]

TUESDAY 19th MAY 1981:

After my long weekend in Ireland, a quick trip out to Garelochhead for supper with my parents:

303 013/063 Hyndland-Glasgow QS LL (07 47 Helensburgh Central-Airdrie)
303 052/045 Glasgow QS LL-Helensburgh Central (16 52 from Airdrie)
Lift from father: Helensburgh Central-Garelochhead
37 027 Garelochhead-Glasgow QS LOW LEVEL via Yoker (17 55 from Oban. Consist: SC14009/4201/4249/4152 Load 4 VB/DH)
303 055 Glasgow QS LL-Hyndland (21 37 Airdrie-Helensburgh Central)

There was obviously some problem on the Singer line that evening.


THURSDAY 19th MAY 1983:

One of my friends from Petersfield's stag night in London:

86 325 07 10 Glasgow Central-Euston (Consist: M92106/11021/3376/10022/12053/12069/12109/12044/12072 Load 9 AB/EH)
6096/7355/7354 17 32 Waterloo-Woking (to Portsmouth Harbour)
33 010 Woking-Waterloo (16 xx from Salisbury. Consist: S86722/86714/80594/4904/35012/4905/7198/7204 Load 8 VB/DH)

Followed by various Underground journeys in London to some drinking establishments of which I have only hazy memories....ending up on the Jubilee Line to Kingsbury, where I spent the night at another friend's grandmother's house.

 

[1971martin]

20th May 1997

Day 1 of a 7 day all line rover -

3422+3566 0504 Folkestone West - Charing X (69.25)
91012 0730 Kings X - Newcastle (268.75)
91024 1052 Newcastle - Glasgow Ctl (181.50)
314209 1348 Glasgow Ctl - Motherwell (13.75)
314212 1446 Motherwell - Glasgow Ctl (13.75)
90007 1530 Glasgow Ctl - Euston (401.25)
3802+3445 2200 Charing X - Ashford (56.00)
3802 2316 Ashford - Folkestone West (13.25)
Day 1 - 1017.50 miles

20th May 2000 - Crewe Works open day

90013 0921 Euston - Crewe
87014 1727 Crewe - Stafford
390624 1824 Stafford - Birmingham New St
47849 1906 Birmingham New St - Reading
5750 2124 Reading - Waterloo