Availability of train toilets

[Juniper Driver]

The problem is that SWT can only empty the CET tanks at depots, and since not all stock goes to a depot overnight (infact quite a bit of stock is stored in sidings and at stations) it's very difficult to ensure all units have their tanks emptied at the end of each day.

It needs diagramming to get every unit to CET and I dont think this is always possible plus circumstances puts units out of position.Plus 158,159's and 458's need doing.

Have they got CET at Weymouth? Haven't been there since 2004,guess they haven't at Bournemouth depot which means they only have Clapham and Wimbledon...Northam? Farnham.Fratton,haven't been there since Jan 2007.

 

[yorksrob]

It needs diagramming to get every unit to CET and I dont think this is always possible plus circumstances puts units out of position.Plus 158,159's and 458's need doing.

Have they got CET at Weymouth? Haven't been there since 2004,guess they haven't at Bournemouth depot which means they only have Clapham and Wimbledon...Northam? Farnham.Fratton,haven't been there since Jan 2007.

It would seem to me rather an oversight not to have them at a main line depot such as Bournemouth.

 

[bronzeonion]

To be honest, all stations should have a toilet rather than the train itself, especially on a London commuter service the toilet just takes up valuable space on board.

 

[trainophile]

To be honest, all stations should have a toilet rather than the train itself, especially on a London commuter service the toilet just takes up valuable space on board.

Hear hear. Or at any rate staffed stations should have passenger toilet facilities, even if it's asking a bit much to expect them at unstaffed ones.

 

[Mugby]

Hear hear. Or at any rate staffed stations should have passenger toilet facilities, even if it's asking a bit much to expect them at unstaffed ones.

The trouble is, they've all become such ridiculously futuristic, state of the art things.

What's wrong with a cast iron urinal at the end of the platform?

 

[ainsworth74]

What's wrong with a cast iron urinal at the end of the platform?

Women might struggle to use it?

 

[Starmill]

I give up.

 

[455driver]

Women might struggle to use it?

I know a few that would have no problem!

Moving on!

 

[sheff'd victoria]

I often see the seat and floor splattered with urine from 444s to 377s. I can only assume some men (and women who like a challenge?) try and beat the swaying on a moving train.

This sounds like a normal visit to the toliet on a Railbus

 

[northwichcat]

To be honest, all stations should have a toilet rather than the train itself, especially on a London commuter service the toilet just takes up valuable space on board.

The problem would be in rural locations who would open and lock up the toilet and would that be done so that the toilet is opened before the first train and closed before the last?

And could at unstaffed locations they be prone to vandalism maybe from humans or maybe from foxes?

 

[burneside]

To be honest, all stations should have a toilet rather than the train itself, especially on a London commuter service the toilet just takes up valuable space on board.

I think all trains should have toilets, even London commuter trains, it's a basic human need. I was once stuck on a broken down toilet-less train for two and a half hours, by the time we rolled back into Deptford there were a few people looking quite uncomfortable, including me.

 

[GatwickDepress]

This sounds like a normal visit to the toliet on a Railbus

Surely that could only improve it?

 

[A-driver]

I think all trains should have toilets, even London commuter trains, it's a basic human need. I was once stuck on a broken down toilet-less train for two and a half hours, by the time we rolled back into Deptford there were a few people looking quite uncomfortable, including me.

And back up toilets incase the normal toilets breakdown, and back ups for the back ups, etc.

You can't plan for every eventuality and whilst a breakdown is unfortunate you can't justify toilets taking up very valuable passenger space as a just incase.

Toilet-less trains are designed for short hop journies-ones people won't be on for long.

 

[burneside]

And back up toilets incase the normal toilets breakdown, and back ups for the back ups, etc.

You can't plan for every eventuality and whilst a breakdown is unfortunate you can't justify toilets taking up very valuable passenger space as a just incase.

Toilet-less trains are designed for short hop journies-ones people won't be on for long.

Fortunately it seems more Southeastern metro trains have toilets than not, but even the toilet-less trains run journeys up to an hour in length. I wouldn't call that a short hop, especially for services later in the evening which are carrying passengers who have been out socialising and had a drink or two.

 

[island]

And even the 465s have only one toilet per unit, which is often locked out/flooded/harbouring someone who has no ticket.

 

[yorksrob]

Fortunately it seems more Southeastern metro trains have toilets than not, but even the toilet-less trains run journeys up to an hour in length. I wouldn't call that a short hop, especially for services later in the evening which are carrying passengers who have been out socialising and had a drink or two.

Indeed. Even on a suburban service you can have passengers travelling for over half an hour. Really they should be building all fleets with toilets now as quite apart from anything else, it allows more flexibility in using the unit.

 

[A-driver]

Tube and bus journeys can be over an hour long, cat inlay over 30mins but they have absolutely no toilets and none at bus stops/most tube stations either. What makes trains different?

 

[yorksrob]

Tube and bus journeys can be over an hour long, cat inlay over 30mins but they have absolutely no toilets and none at bus stops/most tube stations either. What makes trains different?

The Underground is an unfortunate mish-mash. Whilst the central section is undoubtedly an urban metro system for short hops, it includes a lot of long branches which would be better described as suburban railways and which, strictly speaking, could do with toilets for the same reason as the rest of the railway. Although practicalities preclude train loos on the Underground, I don't regard that as an excuse for poor quality provision on the national network. Perhaps, given that frequencies on the tube are relatively high and the stations tend to be staffed all the time, the next best solution of having loos at all stations would be a workable compromise so that people can at least hop on and off.

I don't really count buses as a quality form of transport anyway so I don't have a lot to say on them.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

And even the 465s have only one toilet per unit, which is often locked out/flooded/harbouring someone who has no ticket.

Perhaps a solution for the latter would be to fit ticket readers to the toilet doors- even when unoccupied, they stay locked until you swipe a valid ticket.

 

[A-driver]

I think it fair to say that most able bodies people can last an hour without wetting themselves. If you know you have an hours train journey and are out drinking then perhaps stop drinking a little earlier and use a toilet in the pub/on the station before getting on the train?

Once again this seems to be a thread on how the railway should spend money it hasn't got fixing what isn't a problem just to help out those with a lack of common sense!

 

[martybabes]

I think it fair to say that most able bodies people can last an hour without wetting themselves. If you know you have an hours train journey and are out drinking then perhaps stop drinking a little earlier and use a toilet in the pub/on the station before getting on the train?

Once again this seems to be a thread on how the railway should spend money it hasn't got fixing what isn't a problem just to help out those with a lack of common sense!

Tosh - not to provide clean toilets on a national railway is a disgrace. To say it is not a facility TOCs can afford to provide is a cop out - they could and should provide such a service and not hide behind cost or logistical difficulties. This is 21st century GB not a 19th century developing country.

And anyway, this is from the National Express Coaches website:
All of our coaches are equipped with toilet and washroom facilities.

 

[ert47]

Fortunately it seems more Southeastern metro trains have toilets than not, but even the toilet-less trains run journeys up to an hour in length. I wouldn't call that a short hop, especially for services later in the evening which are carrying passengers who have been out socialising and had a drink or two.

Pretty much all (passenger) trains operated by SouthEastern have toilets. I've been on a 455/9 where the floor was soaking wet throughout the carriage, I was seriously hoping that it was condensation and not anything else!!

I think it fair to say that most able bodies people can last an hour without wetting themselves. If you know you have an hours train journey and are out drinking then perhaps stop drinking a little earlier and use a toilet in the pub/on the station before getting on the train?

I've been caught short several times after a night out when travelling home particulary with London Overground. While it hasn't lead to a somewhat embarrassing incident, I'd prefer if more of their stations had facilities.

 

[Dave1987]

Tosh - not to provide clean toilets on a national railway is a disgrace. To say it is not a facility TOCs can afford to provide is a cop out - they could and should provide such a service and not hide behind cost or logistical difficulties. This is 21st century GB not a 19th century developing country.

And anyway, this is from the National Express Coaches website:
All of our coaches are equipped with toilet and washroom facilities.

Ah yes the old "21st century railway" argument. Well so far apparently the 21st century railway should be giving passengers:

- free wifi that is fast enough for every passenger to live stream sky go or bbc iplayer
- tables for every seat
- power sockets
- air conditioning
- toilets for all trains, even suburban services

Passengers seem to want all that and their ticket to cost pittance.

 

[yorksrob]

Since train travel doesn't cost a pittance to begin with, I'd say that that was a non argument to start off with. The fact remains that many 'suburban' journeys last longer than an hour and if the railway wishes to be seen as inclusive to those with weaker bladders, it should fit toilets to new trains as a matter of standard.

Then there is the fact that suburban and long distance tend to merge. Thameslink will operate a metro style service through its core, yet it serves destinations as distant as Brighton and Bedford. Are you suggesting that these passengers should do without toilets for the convenience of the railway?

 

[Tibbs]

I think it fair to say that most able bodies people can last an hour without wetting themselves. If you know you have an hours train journey and are out drinking then perhaps stop drinking a little earlier and use a toilet in the pub/on the station before getting on the train?

Once again this seems to be a thread on how the railway should spend money it hasn't got fixing what isn't a problem just to help out those with a lack of common sense!

(Old post edited out)

Actually I can't even be bothered with challenging this post, It's so ridiculous.

I'm just thankful that we have legislation like the equality act that means neanderthal views like yours are become less acceptable.

 

[island]

I'd be interested in knowing which section of the Equality Act applies to people who get ****ed and can't hold it in. Along with the Data Protection Act, it is often thrown around by people in very generalised terms when it may not apply in practice.

 

[Tibbs]

I'd be interested in knowing which section of the Equality Act applies to people who get ****ed and can't hold it in. Along with the Data Protection Act, it is often thrown around by people in very generalised terms when it may not apply in practice.

No but it does apply to people who can't hold it in for other reasons.

Not making toilets available for drunk people means not making them available for anyone - unless you propose to attach a breathalyser to train toilet doors? :roll:

 

[Clip]

More toilets on suburban trains and routes = Less seats and areas for people to sit/stand = more overcrowding on trains = more complaints about that.

Cant win.

 

[yorksrob]

People will complain about overcrowding regardless, so there's no point trying to reduce this by not having toilets and consequently generating a whole additional set of complaints about not having toilets.

 

[SGS]

I think it fair to say that most able bodies people can last an hour without wetting themselves. If you know you have an hours train journey and are out drinking then perhaps stop drinking a little earlier and use a toilet in the pub/on the station before getting on the train?

Once again this seems to be a thread on how the railway should spend money it hasn't got fixing what isn't a problem just to help out those with a lack of common sense!

Can I be indiscreet and ask if you are middle aged, or older? If not, we should revisit this thread in about 30 years and see if you still agree with your younger self!