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Automatic Announcements at New Street with TOCs

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kvbham

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Glad to see that most automatic announcers are update with the new TOCS names - seems a bit strange at Birmingham New Street with London Midland and CrossCountry. Is computer System automatically updated or does Phil Sayer have to record it from scratch once for most stations and copy is sent out?

Its interesting though how the automatic announcer differentiate between a Virgin Pendolino and Virgin Voyager and Virgin Trains [Mks3].
 
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Most of the new ones will be made from cutting different announcements to form the new one. Such as cutting the Virgin off to make Crosscountry or removing Arriva Trains to make just Northern!

The dumb bint at Leeds hasn't been updated at all and is just not announcing any TOC. "The 1404 Northern service to Knottingley, the 1405 service to Edinburgh' and so on.
 

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I think it's usually the same voice, but it's very hard to get exactly the same tone several years later...
 

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Most of the new ones will be made from cutting different announcements to form the new one. Such as cutting the Virgin off to make Crosscountry or removing Arriva Trains to make just Northern!

Not really, seeing as Virgin was just announced as 'Virgin Trains', 'Virgin Voyager' or 'Virgin Pendolino', and Arriva Northern was just announced as 'Arrive Trains'.

Surprised to hear New Street has been updated but Leeds hasn't, was expecting it the other way round TBH!
 

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I have a feeling 'Northern' may have been cut from 'Northern Spirit' ;)

Surprised to hear New Street has been updated but Leeds hasn't, was expecting it the other way round TBH!

But you're forgetting that the Leeds system has many many gaps, for example, when GNER were terminating at Finsbury Park it just said 'The next train to depart from platform 4 will be the xx.xx GNER service to *long pause*. Calling at Wakefield Westgate, Doncaster, Peterborough and *long pause*'.

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I guess this is a bit like Phil Sayer's "Southern" recording, sounds really wierd.

Stratford always had problems with the services from Platform 12. However, I notice now she says Stansted Airport and they've cut out the huge gaps. "Platform 12 for the 12.06..... service to.................................... Calling at: ........................................................................................ CHESHUNT!!.......................... and .................. Platform 12 for the 12.06..... service to.............."



I wonder how you become 'a chosen one'? It would be useful to have someone on hand who knows how to pronounce Micheldever, amongst other stations.
 

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Blank at Cheltenham and Gloucester, when one train was late she just said "we apologise" rather than "Central Trains apologise"
 

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Blank at Cheltenham and Gloucester, when one train was late she just said "we apologise" rather than "Central Trains apologise"

In Strathclyde, we just get:

"I am sorry to announce that the o-EIGHT o-EIGHT service toHelensburgh Central... has been delayed by approxiamately ... 5 minute. Please listen for further announcements"

No mention of Scotrail, although that is pretty much taken for granted, and she (whoever "she" is) has many different voices also.
 

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Can't even understand the announcements at Aberdeen, just someone speaking, although i know some of the announcements from New St. off by heart and i don't mean to, just been drilled into my head:

Please do not leave cases or parcels unnatended anywhere on the station............. Any unnatended articles are likely to be removed, without warning
 
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In Strathclyde, we just get:

"I am sorry to announce that the o-EIGHT o-EIGHT service toHelensburgh Central... has been delayed by approxiamately ... 5 minute. Please listen for further announcements"

No mention of Scotrail, although that is pretty much taken for granted, and she (whoever "she" is) has many different voices also.


The announcements used to say ScotRail, FSR just havent been bothered to change them
 

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Glad to see that most automatic announcers are update with the new TOCS names - seems a bit strange at Birmingham New Street with London Midland and CrossCountry. Is computer System automatically updated or does Phil Sayer have to record it from scratch once for most stations and copy is sent out?

Its interesting though how the automatic announcer differentiate between a Virgin Pendolino and Virgin Voyager and Virgin Trains [Mks3].

The way that the system works is by having several sound files which the system strings together. When a franchise changes hands, the system gets updated pretty quickly and consists of changing the old TOC sound file to the new one in each train.

For example, originally there would have been a train like this in the system (using BHM as an example - though all the Ditras work in the same way):

The train now standing | at | platform 3A | is the | 10 | 57 | Central Trains service to | Walsall.

Now it would be:

The train now standing | at | platform 3A | is the | 10 | 57 | London Midland service to | Walsall.

Phil and Celia would record each new company name (in two different ways for each version of the software - one just needs 'London Midland' as 'service to' is a file by itself), and send it to Ditra.
The new sound file (in this case 'London Midland service to') would be put onto each of the systems and someone would have to change the way each train is set up (i.e. Central Trains service to --> London Midland service to).

The announcements only differentiate between the different Virgin services as it is the way they have been set up - obviously someone decided it would be a good idea to tell passengers what train they were getting so they were recorded, put into the system and used (rather than just 'Virgin Trains service to'). IIRC, Ditra has never differentiated between 'Virgin CrossCountry' and 'Virgin West Coast' services.

As for thefab444's comment, I suppose when Ditra decided to use professional voiceovers they advertised for them and the applicants were interviewed, auditioned, and shortlisted. In the end, Phil Sayer and Celia Drummond got the jobs.

When an update is needed they get the original artist to record the new phrase for the system rather than someone new - it takes a lot of time (and hence money) to record the names of 2500 stations twice, as well as all the other fancy stuff Phil can do.

I remember reading somewhere that the system dates back to 1996 - obviously there are bits that still haven't been updated and things are just patched over and hence sometimes it sounds 'odd'.

Phil can say 'Micheldever' correctly and always has done - Celia was corrected (from 'mit-chell-DEE-ver' to 'mit-chell-DEV-ver) after a complaint to SWT. Phil has pronounced most (if not all) odd places correctly (e.g. Leigh as 'Lie' rather than 'Lee') and I think he researches the pronunciation (obviously it isn't provided as Celia wouldn't make mistakes!).
 

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Phil is nearly right, I'll let him off for the slight gap between "Mitchel" and "dever".

Got an interesting PIS screen at BCU about the 21.39 to London. "South West Trains service calling at Ashurst New Forest, Totton, Southampton Central, Southampton Airport Parkway, Winchester, Basingstoke, Woking, Clapham Junction and London Waterloo. This train is formed of 15 coaches. If you are going to Ashurst New Forest, Totton or Clapham Junction you must be in the front 5 coaches as there are short platforms at these stations."

I wish I'd hung about to hear Celia/Phil say "This train is formed of 15 coaches."
 

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Today "Virgin Voyager" was heard for a CrossCountry service (def wasn't VWC) at Bhm New St
 

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One I was told about was for Plymouth
 

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The system is probably getting confused with the service changing from Virgin north of Birmingham and Crosscountry south of Birmingham
 
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They're advertised as Virmin throughout if its going via the West Coast...
 

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Isn't it where the train originates? I've seen services which become WC at Birmingham which start in the SW announced as CrossCountry, but services from Glasgow and elsewhere which are announced as Virgin.
 

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Yes, for example the morning train this morning GLC-Exeter St. Davids is a Virgin service as it runs wia the WCML from Carstairs to BHM, but the service will cease shortly in favour of a VWC service as far as BHM only.
 
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Isn't it where the train originates? I've seen services which become WC at Birmingham which start in the SW announced as CrossCountry, but services from Glasgow and elsewhere which are announced as Virgin.

No - all Bomo West Coast services originating at Bomo have been announced as VT - could just be laziness on the part of the those who modify the trains in Ditra/Tyrell/whatever program they use today.
 

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Well it should be fixed in a few weeks when the timetable changes and the services are no longer joint services between Virgin WC and CrossCountry
 

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I think it is, because at Bristol stations I've only heard CrossCountry been announced for services, irrespective of their destination or origin.
 

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West Mids local stations auto announcers have been rather cheaply patched with a completely different woman's voice saying 'London Midland' and thus the announcements all sound like someone is jumping in.
 

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Been to New Street today, and most of the Voyager services seem to be saying "Virgin Voyager" with the VT logo on the boards...
 

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Messed up this morning at New Street - Phil had broken down and the Screens were 1 hour behind real time and not updating !! A complete mess with the manual woman talking over the announcements which were hardly clear!!

Back to Phil this evening though!!
 

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Manual woman at new street is very obnoxious if you ask me... I'm reliably informed she's vile to everyone she speaks to (face-to-face, that is) too.

I've seen XC trains originating in the SW on the LDB for BRI as Virgin.
 
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