ATW Class 121, still running?

[a1a.a1a]

And it was indeed out yesterday, really enjoyed my ride on it

Lucky B*****D x

 

[Temple Meads]

Lucky B*****D x

Haha

 

[83G/84D]

It does get used everyone know and again for route learning etc. I did manage to get a shot of it at Bridgend sitting in platform 1A.

I certainly wouldnt mind it being used on longer services perhaps a service on the cityline on a sunday would be good however I doubt they will be able to get permission to use it on the mainline.

It has been out the majority of the time I have been out and about, hopefully I may be able to see it as I pass under the cardiff bay branch on my train to Bristol on friday morning If I can log on here I will make a post.

If it is fitted with TPWS and other safety systems why can't it go elsewhere? Having said that I saw a thread elsewhere on this site about bubbles running singly in BR days until they had to be coupled to something after a few incidents.

 

[150222]

But the Bay line IS on the NR network!

 

[ainsworth74]

If it is fitted with TPWS and other safety systems why can't it go elsewhere?

Mark 1 derived rolling stock is banned from the mainline in passenger service unless it gets a special derogation to run. Which both the Chiltern bubble and the ATW bubble have but only to run on those specific routes.

 

[PHILIPE]

If it is fitted with TPWS and other safety systems why can't it go elsewhere? Having said that I saw a thread elsewhere on this site about bubbles running singly in BR days until they had to be coupled to something after a few incidents.

It may very well be fitted with TPWS but surely you know about the burocracy on the network these days. Authorisation has to be obtained involving DaFT and ORR and you know how long that takes. There would have to be case for selected routes.

 

[43021HST]

I see it as gurning rather than smiling myself

I always thought class 365s looked a bit like the jawline of a skull; or a simpletons smile.

 

[83G/84D]

It may very well be fitted with TPWS but surely you know about the burocracy on the network these days. Authorisation has to be obtained involving DaFT and ORR and you know how long that takes. There would have to be case for selected routes.

Why does authority have to be obtained? If ATW own or lease the unit and it runs in a path of one of it's services what difference does it make if it is formed of a 121, 142, 143, 150 or anything else.

Provided the crew have the relevant traction and route knowledge what does it matter what stock is used. Surely "grandfather rights" or the like mean if the stock operated a route previously (i.e. In BR days) provided there are no major infrastructure changes on a route there would be no problem?!

Therefore what is stopping a ATW 121 going to Swansea for example?

It's okay saying beaurocracy or authority needed but why?....more detail needed.

 

[PHILIPE]

Why does authority have to be obtained? If ATW own or lease the unit and it runs in a path of one of it's services what difference does it make if it is formed of a 121, 142, 143, 150 or anything else.

Provided the crew have the relevant traction and route knowledge what does it matter what stock is used. Surely "grandfather rights" or the like mean if the stock operated a route previously (i.e. In BR days) provided there are no major infrastructure changes on a route there would be no problem?!

Therefore what is stopping a ATW 121 going to Swansea for example?

It's okay saying beaurocracy or authority needed but why?....more detail needed.

As it is classed as a heritage set, special conditions have to be imposed which allow it to work over only a specified route. and this entails strict conditions That is the reason. The question of ATW owning, route and traction knowledge are irrelevant. Heritage sets van not be used anywhere only over a specified route.

 

[route:oxford]

At present, if I recall correctly, there is a conflict at Oxford where services cross on and off the main up line between the Bicester and Platform 3.

As work progresses, improvements will be made at Oxford removing this conflict. Would this permit a bubble to run from Aylesbury to Oxford carrying passengers?

Until E-W is open of course.

 

[83G/84D]

As it is classed as a heritage set, special conditions have to be imposed which allow it to work over only a specified route. and this entails strict conditions That is the reason. The question of ATW owning, route and traction knowledge are irrelevant. Heritage sets van not be used anywhere only over a specified route.

Yet the various charter rakes of Mk1 & Mk2 coaches can go virtually anywhere as can Main line certified preserved Steam & diesel loco's............

Still don't see why it should be restricted.

:-x

 

[Nym]

Because they have a locomotive on each end or a Mk3 on one and a locomotive on the other to act as barrier coaches, so if some runaway 66 decided to **** into it, it hits the loco or Mk3, not the Mk1s. With a 121 it will **** it straight into the 121...

 

[PHILIPE]

Yet the various charter rakes of Mk1 & Mk2 coaches can go virtually anywhere as can Main line certified preserved Steam & diesel loco's............

Still don't see why it should be restricted.

:-x

It appears that you still refuse to understand even when more than one of us are trying to tell you. Rules are Rules and neither you nor any other member can change them.

 

[sprinterguy]

Because they have a locomotive on each end or a Mk3 on one and a locomotive on the other to act as barrier coaches, so if some runaway 66 decided to **** into it, it hits the loco or Mk3, not the Mk1s.

Mainline registered mark 1 rakes have to have a mark 2 carriage at each end, not mark 3s.

 

[Nym]

Mainline registered mark 1 rakes have to have a mark 2 carriage at each end, not mark 3s.

Ah, fair enough, thought it was Mk.3, but I've only ever seen charters with top&tail locomotives.

 

[NIMBUS]

As work progresses, improvements will be made at Oxford removing this conflict. Would this permit a bubble to run from Aylesbury to Oxford carrying passengers?

No - because the paperwork only permits it to run with passengers between the bay at Princes Risborough, Aylesbury and Quainton Road.

 

[anthony263]

I saw the ATW class 121 poking out of Canton Depot yesterday morning as I was arriving on a hst from Bridgend at 09:20.

 

[RPM]

Yet another attempt to ride on the Arriva 121 thwarted yesterday (23rd Jan). Bloody dogbox on the Bay shuttles. That bubble car continues to elude me! A ride on the WAG express made up for it though.

 

[PHILIPE]

Dogbox again today (24th)
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Bubbles burst last Friday. Not sure how long expected to be out of service. When it resumes I will post on Forum.

 

[rick_suffolk]

bubbles is back on cardiff bay shuttles today!

 

[anthony263]

Great good to see it has been fixed.

 

[rick_suffolk]

she's away again tonight. 150/2 instead which is unusual, normally pacer or 153

 

[ValleyLines142]

she's away again tonight. 150/2 instead which is unusual, normally pacer or 153

A 150 does appear now and again to be fair.

 

[150222]

she's away again tonight. 150/2 instead which is unusual, normally pacer or 153

Bit of a waste of a 2-car unit! Then again they must have a few spare. (Out of 31 & loaning to FGW, NXEA & Northern)

 

[PHILIPE]

Bit of a waste of a 2-car unit! Then again they must have a few spare. (Out of 31 & loaning to FGW, NXEA & Northern)

Probably no 153 available to replace at short notice
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Only a brief Hello from the 121. The Bubble has burst again but don't know the problem. 150 the last couple of days.

 

[Temple Meads]

You start to wonder why ATW bother sometimes....

I think I got a real lucky break getting it last month!

 

[animationmilo]

Bit of a waste of a 2-car unit! Then again they must have a few spare. (Out of 31 & loaning to FGW, NXEA & Northern)

Arriva actually have 36 150s in total. Only one is on hire now and that is 150280

 

[ValleyLines142]

Arriva actually have 36 150s in total. Only one is on hire now and that is 150280

I've only counted 34; 208, 217, 227, 229, 230, 231, 235, 236, 237, 240, 241, 242, 245, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 262, 264, 267, 278, 279, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285. What have I missed?

 

[PHILIPE]

I've only counted 34; 208, 217, 227, 229, 230, 231, 235, 236, 237, 240, 241, 242, 245, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 262, 264, 267, 278, 279, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285. What have I missed?

213 and 280 (the latter currently on hire to NXEA)

 

[ValleyLines142]

213 and 280 (the latter currently on hire to NXEA)

Oh yeah, I forgot about 213!