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It is not "my" thread, but one about the 2026 timetable. While I agree that a discussion about the new passenger services Hauptbahnhof - Westbahnhof is perfectly legitimate, I do not see how it can lead to a general withering criticism about everything we built since 2000. It is not that I do not have criticism of my own - there is enough - but it remains OT and your criticism is much too broad and superficial (IMHO).

As it is, I am not really worried about the additional trains since they already run ECS and their long journey time between Westbahnhof and Meidling will preclude operational difficulties. In fact, I think they are put into passenger service because the Meidling stop has really grown in importance and it is worthwhile for passengers from the north to be able to reach it since the trains already run there. However, unlike at Hbf, there is no way to accomodate an extended stop at Meidling to check the train is empty, so this is done at Westbahnhof.

By way of example on another topic: I always thought and still think that the lack of integration of HS2 into the classic network in Birmingham and north thereof was a mistake. I have stated this in one of the gazillions of HS2 thread. I got rebuked, and that is fine: It is not my native country, not my country of residence, and above all it is not my money being spent. So right enough, I might have an opinion but I don't have a legitimate say and no one on RailUK needs to read my opinion more than once or maybe twice.

So it's the fact that somebody dares to do a working timetable analysis on Austrian railways who isn't Austrian that offends you. This is a corner of the Internet where the identity of individuals should be completely irrelevant. Being a native of China, if I commented on rail operations in a distant part of China (a distance far larger than London - Vienna) nobody would bat an eye-lid. Just occasionally, some Europeans (including a lot of Brits I hasten to add) aren't half parochial. In fact, it's a pretty dickish move you've pulled there.

I've explained multiple times the context of my observations. I've even said Wien Hbf will probably work ok and overall it's a success. The back-and-forth is really about whether something is a mere nuisance or a problem - you are more relaxed about it than I am - and that's perfectly reasonable. Where does this 'withering criticism' come from? You didn't need to take it so personally.

For every major timetable change I look at
- compatibility between timetable and infrastructure
- and where there is a published future year target network, whether the timetable change goes towards or hinders meeting that target network.
I do this for every network I have an interest in. And so far I find the Dutch to be exemplary in this.

Can we at least agree we are both guilty of declaring we don't wish to engage and proceeding to reply to do just that? :lol:
 
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So it's the fact that somebody dares to do a working timetable analysis on Austrian railways who isn't Austrian that offends you.

No it's most certainly not.

It's the fact that you undertake a very fundamental and sweeping criticism of basically everything that was planned and built in the Vienna region since 2000 - presuming, apparently, that everyone who has done some planning on it was incompetent (and before you ask, no, I am not a transport or rail planner). And you combine it with "alternatives" which you don't analyse with anything like the same rigor (such as your presumption that the old terminal stations would have been able to deal with the present traffic, which not only consists of LD, but it at least equal amount of regional trains). When I or other people pointed out obvious flaws, such as regarding the S80 or the routes the LD trains take to reach Westbahnhof, you basically avoid commenting it and move the discussion elsewhere - suddenly stating that it is a major flaw that the S80 and "Westbahnhof"-LD routes interfer at all. Which they do not on the congested sections!

It is a style of discussion I know from other forums and it is one that I dislike, because it is not really a discussion. You have made up your mind - fine, I got your point. I don't feel there is even the slightest topic where you would admit to having misjudged.

And with this, finally the end. :lol:
 
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To bring the thread back on track - what's the plan for services using the classic Semmering pass line after the opening of the base tunnel? Switzerland manages to keep a frequent service on its 'classic' lines (e.g. Gotthard, Lötschberg) from afar but that's possible through high tourism levels. Semmering appears to have a tourist draw through skiing but at the same time I doubt the regional rail lines in Austria have the same level of funding as those in Switzerland. Could we expect retained (albeit slower) through services to Vienna and Graz or just a local Mürzzuschlag to Payerbach-Reichenau service?
 

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To bring the thread back on track - what's the plan for services using the classic Semmering pass line after the opening of the base tunnel? Switzerland manages to keep a frequent service on its 'classic' lines (e.g. Gotthard, Lötschberg) from afar but that's possible through high tourism levels. Semmering appears to have a tourist draw through skiing but at the same time I doubt the regional rail lines in Austria have the same level of funding as those in Switzerland. Could we expect retained (albeit slower) through services to Vienna and Graz or just a local Mürzzuschlag to Payerbach-Reichenau service?

Just regional service, I am afraid. Mostly an hourly train. However, the line will still be very important for diversionary traffic because - like all long base tunnels - the tunnel will be regularly closed for maintenance. At some point I heard that when one bore is closed, the remaining one will carry north-south traffic (because the Semmering northern ramp ist the "harder" one), while south-north traffic will divert. It was also said that many tunnels on the mountain line will be single-tracked in order to achieve the same clearance as through the tunnel (at the moment, double-deck stock for instance cannot use the Semmering line).

It is possible, though, that some kind of tourist trains will be established. It is just that I haven't heard about any specific plans yet - it doesn't mean that there aren't any! Otherwise, there might be a couple of diverted LD trains (as above) early or late in the day, which might run in daylight sometimes when the days are longest...
 

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That permanently eliminates the last long-distance train between Italy and Slovenia via Villa Opicina. The EC Triest-Ljubljana-Vienna was also cut back to Ljubljana earlier this year.

Well, that border crossing has been without Long-distance trains - or indeed any passenger trains - quite often in recent years.

From what I heard, there are some ideas about Milan - Ljubljana, which actually might make sense. Vienna - Trieste is simply much faster via Udine now.

On the Slovenian railways site, it says that since 20 June 2025 Italian FS has replaced Trieste to Sežana by a bus.

However the current timetable still has two Slovenian services between Opčine and Ljubljana per day (one morning, one evening) as well as Opčine to Sežana only at night.

I am wondering if anyone knows when the Slovenian 2026 timetable will be loaded, as I would like to take this Slovenian service in the second half of December 2025 and want to know if it will still run.
 

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On the Slovenian railways site, it says that since 20 June 2025 Italian FS has replaced Trieste to Sežana by a bus.

However the current timetable still has two Slovenian services between Opčine and Ljubljana per day (one morning, one evening) as well as Opčine to Sežana only at night.
The interesting thing is that Trenitalia don't operate the EC that is replaced by a bus. Trenitalia do operate the regional trains from/to Villa Opicina in the morning and evening, and AFAIK these are not replaced by a bus.
I am wondering if anyone knows when the Slovenian 2026 timetable will be loaded, as I would like to take this Slovenian service in the second half of December 2025 and want to know if it will still run.
Timetable data for these regional trains has been quite bad over the past few years. Some trains were only partially in (some of) the online timetables. However, the online SZ timetable seems to be complete currently for Ljubljana-Villa Opicina and the online Trenitalia timetable seems to be complete for Villa Opicina-Trieste. It seems that currently SZ don't manage to send their complete timetables to MERITS.
 

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However, the online SZ timetable seems to be complete currently for Ljubljana-Villa Opicina and the online Trenitalia timetable seems to be complete for Villa Opicina-Trieste. It seems that currently SZ don't manage to send their complete timetables to MERITS.

Sorry I may have misunderstood your post but the online timetables I can see are still only for 2025.
 

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Sorry I may have misunderstood your post but the online timetables I can see are still only for 2025.
I meant to write that. No info on 2026 yet. I was just trying to establish (more or less) reliable online resources for the current timetable.
 

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Another Point: the planned railjet service Vienna - Villach - Ljubljana will not start in December. Railjet sets still need to be approved in Slovenia. It is hoped it will start sometimes later in 2026.
 

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Mod note: discussion of Wien Hbf and the advantages and disadvantages of through GS terminating stations has been moved to this thread. Please can we stay on topic here regarding the 2026 Austrian timetable.
 

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The ICE trains Vienna - Germany via Passau will effectively not run from February onwards because of DB works.
Also affecting Germany – Austria services before February is a three-week closure of Ulm Hbf from 13 January to 6 February. I know that at least some services will be running nonstop between Stuttgart and Augsburg; I don't know if there'd be any fewer services during that time (apart from those starting or terminating in Ulm, which I don't think applies to Austria).
 

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The 2026 timetable seems to have increased the Prague - Graz journey time.

In the 2025 timetable the 2-hourly Prague - Vienna service runs through to Graz. I the 2026 timetable the Graz paths in those hours tend to be Italian services and it's no surprise they've decided to split the service at Vienna.

The Koralmbahn has shift the Vienna departure time from xx58 to xx53. The Vienna arrival from Prague is unchanged at xx49. It seems 4 minutes is below the minimum interchange time at Vienna so you are direct to take the xx24 instead. They've not published any platforming yet - is there a chance the 4-minute interchange will be recognised in journey planners if it turns out a cross-platform interchange is planned?

If not, will we have to wait until the opening of the Semmering tunnel in 2030 before the interchange is restored?
 

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The 2026 timetable seems to have increased the Prague - Graz journey time.

In the 2025 timetable the 2-hourly Prague - Vienna service runs through to Graz. I the 2026 timetable the Graz paths in those hours tend to be Italian services and it's no surprise they've decided to split the service at Vienna.

The Koralmbahn has shift the Vienna departure time from xx58 to xx53. The Vienna arrival from Prague is unchanged at xx49. It seems 4 minutes is below the minimum interchange time at Vienna so you are direct to take the xx24 instead. They've not published any platforming yet - is there a chance the 4-minute interchange will be recognised in journey planners if it turns out a cross-platform interchange is planned?

If not, will we have to wait until the opening of the Semmering tunnel in 2030 before the interchange is restored?

There will still be direct Prague - Graz -
Villach services every four hours.

I am certain that direct Prague - Venice trains will exist in the future, and would consider them very useful. However, RJ sets 52 to 60, approved in Italy, cannot run into the Czech republic, other RJ and Comfortjets aren‘t allowed into Italy. RJ2 sets, when delivered, hopefully will be able to do both.

I certainly hope for allowed cross platform connections, as there are similar short connections now.
 
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OBB Has been announced that freight trains are now using the new 250km/h (155mph) 130km (81 mile) long Koralm line (Graz - Klagenfurt) ahead of passenger services being timetabled from December timetable change.

Opening of the route has allowed a major timetable recast for 2026 as this is a major east-west route
 

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No it's most certainly not.

It's the fact that you undertake a very fundamental and sweeping criticism of basically everything that was planned and built in the Vienna region since 2000 - presuming, apparently, that everyone who has done some planning on it was incompetent (and before you ask, no, I am not a transport or rail planner). And you combine it with "alternatives" which you don't analyse with anything like the same rigor (such as your presumption that the old terminal stations would have been able to deal with the present traffic, which not only consists of LD, but it at least equal amount of regional trains). When I or other people pointed out obvious flaws, such as regarding the S80 or the routes the LD trains take to reach Westbahnhof, you basically avoid commenting it and move the discussion elsewhere - suddenly stating that it is a major flaw that the S80 and "Westbahnhof"-LD routes interfer at all. Which they do not on the congested sections!

It is a style of discussion I know from other forums and it is one that I dislike, because it is not really a discussion. You have made up your mind - fine, I got your point. I don't feel there is even the slightest topic where you would admit to having misjudged.

And with this, finally the end. :lol:
I wouldn't get too upset about it!
(a) There will be a good reason why these trains have been extended to Westbahnhof. Contrary to some posters opinion, Austrian timetable planners are not stupid! So what would be interesting is to find out what the reason is. You must remember that it is UK culture to pare all costs to a minimum and squeeze asset utilisation, whereas Austrian (and many other mainland European countries) may not have this quite such a priority. No criticism meant on either side, just differing viewpoints on life.
(b) It may just be a temporary expedient until some other (unknown by us) factor is completed, or there may well be an opportunity in the future for someone in OBB to claim the kudos for a massive saving!
 

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OBB Has been announced that freight trains are now using the new 250km/h (155mph) 130km (81 mile) long Koralm line (Graz - Klagenfurt) ahead of passenger services being timetabled from December timetable change.

Opening of the route has allowed a major timetable recast for 2026 as this is a major east-west route

North-South Route actually. ;)

EDIT: Admittely the Koralmbahn itself is more east-west than north-south. It is part of a north-south-route though.

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I wouldn't get too upset about it!
(a) There will be a good reason why these trains have been extended to Westbahnhof. Contrary to some posters opinion, Austrian timetable planners are not stupid! So what would be interesting is to find out what the reason is. You must remember that it is UK culture to pare all costs to a minimum and squeeze asset utilisation, whereas Austrian (and many other mainland European countries) may not have this quite such a priority. No criticism meant on either side, just differing viewpoints on life.
(b) It may just be a temporary expedient until some other (unknown by us) factor is completed, or there may well be an opportunity in the future for someone in OBB to claim the kudos for a massive saving!

I have found my inner peace with user NCT again (hopefully not one-sided) ;)

The trains are already running ECT, the only difference is that now they will run in service. The issue is lack of stabling space west of Hauptbahnhof whereas it is ample at the Westbahnhof.

For what it‘s worth, it is not that I think everything about the Hauptbahnhof is perfect. Far from it actually; to begin with, it is starting to get too small. And many experts actually said so from the start (and argued for a two-level station), but as everywhere, there are also politicians who don‘t want to spend more.

What I took issue with was the insistence that by keeping the old Terminus stations and building the tunnel from the Westbahn, everything would have been fine. Which I do not believe is true (apart from the fact that underground line 1 would have had to be rerouted), as the old stations were not that large and while they would have coped with LD Traffic, the Hauptbahnhof also enabled lots of improvements for regional traffic. And IMO and the opinion of the Austrian experts - which no, are not dumb in general - it would have been a massive missed opportunity. Also, everything southwest of the Hbf/old Südbahnhof to and including Meidling would have had to be completely rebuilt in any case (and the stations and everything around them completely modernised).

As it is, there are still many projects ongoing (like the rebuilt Pottendorfer line; the Marchegg line is now finally electrified and doubled and will enable to run through more services that currently terminate at Hbf) and planned (4-tracking of Meidling - Mödling; rebuilding Meidling - Hütteldorf; a chord from the airport to the Ostbahn, and several more) that will all help to mitigate capacity problems.

One of NCT‘s main issue - the connections available for LD traffic to reach Westbahnhof from Meidling - is not a problem in reality however; others are far more pressing. Unfortunately, not unlike the UK, we don’t have the money nor the building capacity to do all at once (Note that these further projects are not a reaction to Hbf capacity issues; many were always planned to „give the finishing touches“ to the Hbf project, others have arisen for other reasons, notably the vast increase in demand since the Hbf opened).
 
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Platforming is now published (has been for some days now).

The Prague - Vienna terminating services usually go into platform 6 (arriving even:49) and Wien Hbf, but the Vienna (originating, at even:53) - Graz run from platform 7. They are not the same island so the 4-minute interchange is not recognised.
 

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Platforming is now published (has been for some days now).

The Prague - Vienna terminating services usually go into platform 6 (arriving even:49) and Wien Hbf, but the Vienna (originating, at even:53) - Graz run from platform 7. They are not the same island so the 4-minute interchange is not recognised.

Indeed a pity and unfortunately not the only example of less-than-ideal connections in the 2026 timetable, which optimizes very good Südbahn services over most others (I am not happy with it).

I am not sure if CD uses Comfortjet on Vienna terminators. If they do, these 9 car sets can not be platformed on the Eastern end of platform 7 together with the Villach starters.
 

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Indeed a pity and unfortunately not the only example of less-than-ideal connections in the 2026 timetable, which optimizes very good Südbahn services over most others (I am not happy with it).

I am not sure if CD uses Comfortjet on Vienna terminators. If they do, these 9 car sets can not be platformed on the Eastern end of platform 7 together with the Villach starters.
Is the 6-minute standard hour connection at Feldkirch, from the ex-Buchs S-Bahn train onto the eastbound Railjet, intentional or merely the way the timings happen to work out?

If it's an intended connection, is there any mechanism for holding the connection or does that just not happen? Given that it's cross-platform you'd have thought it would be planned but who knows...

It seems a very tight connection given the minor delays which often seem to arise on the intensively worked single line through Liechtenstein.

My interest in it couldn't possibly be down to the fact that I recently missed it, causing a substantial onward delay... :s There were plenty of security staff at Feldkirch but no evidence of any actual station staff beyond the rather unhelpful ticket office clerk (apparently, doubling back to minimise delays isn't considered valid).

It also seems somewhat curious that stops generally alternate between the intermediate stations on the Arlberg line. Is the demand really that low for those stations, despite the heavy tourist traffic?
 

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My interest in it couldn't possibly be down to the fact that I recently missed it, causing a substantial onward delay... :s There were plenty of security staff at Feldkirch but no evidence of any actual station staff beyond the rather unhelpful ticket office clerk (apparently, doubling back to minimise delays isn't considered valid).
Such rule doesn't exist, and even if it did, it wouldn't be compatible with EU legislation for delays of at least 60 minutes.
 

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Such rule doesn't exist, and even if it did, it wouldn't be compatible with EU legislation for delays of at least 60 minutes.
Well, I agree - but I took her advice of asking the guard on boarding, and he was fine with it. He could have been more difficult about it, I suppose.
 

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Is the 6-minute standard hour connection at Feldkirch, from the ex-Buchs S-Bahn train onto the eastbound Railjet, intentional or merely the way the timings happen to work out?
Unless the times have just changed, it only applies twice a day, so I suspect it is random
It also seems somewhat curious that stops generally alternate between the intermediate stations on the Arlberg line. Is the demand really that low for those stations, despite the heavy tourist traffic?
To do with pathing an hourly service when it was introduced some years ago IIRC.
 

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To do with pathing an hourly service when it was introduced some years ago IIRC.

Exactly. The timings are fixed at the Swiss border and heavily determined by the „nodes“ in Vienna and Salzburg as well as paths through Germany. Stopping every train everywhere is not feasible. Also, it makes end-to-end timings a little less unattractive (they are slow west of Innsbruck anyway).
 

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Exactly. The timings are fixed at the Swiss border and heavily determined by the „nodes“ in Vienna and Salzburg as well as paths through Germany. Stopping every train everywhere is not feasible. Also, it makes end-to-end timings a little less unattractive (they are slow west of Innsbruck anyway).
I suppose the single line nature of the route probably doesn't allow for more than an hourly service?
 

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I suppose the single line nature of the route probably doesn't allow for more than an hourly service?

It is indeed almost impossible to have two complementary LD paths an hour without having extended stops for crossing trains and thus extending journey times. If you look at the current timetable Westbahn runs some of their own trains but the only feasible path is parallel to the ÖBB services.

Historically, the demand was also not there. Until a few years ago, services were always two-hourly.
 

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It is indeed almost impossible to have two complementary LD paths an hour without having extended stops for crossing trains and thus extending journey times. If you look at the current timetable Westbahn runs some of their own trains but the only feasible path is parallel to the ÖBB services.

Historically, the demand was also not there. Until a few years ago, services were always two-hourly.
And presumably there are also no plans to double track the line throughout? Wikipedia (that reliable fountain of knowledge...) says a small amount of additional double tracking was due to start in 2020. Did anything come of that?
 

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And presumably there are also no plans to double track the line throughout? Wikipedia (that reliable fountain of knowledge...) says a small amount of additional double tracking was due to start in 2020. Did anything come of that?

There are not, and even projects to at least double parts of Ötztal - Landeck, where there is also regional traffic are currently on hold (I imagine that is what Wikipedia was alluding to).
 

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Out of interest, what was the service pattern before it became hourly with services (mostly) alternating between Zurich and Bregenz?

There were several variations. For years trains were only two-hourly west of Salzburg. The last iteration was a two-hourly nonstop Salzburg- Innsbruck and then all LD stops to Feldkirch, mostly then with a portion to Zurich and to Bregenz (double railjet set). In the other Hour, there would have been a RJ west of Salzburg with stops to Innsbruck, terminating there.
 

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There were several variations. For years trains were only two-hourly west of Salzburg. The last iteration was a two-hourly nonstop Salzburg- Innsbruck and then all LD stops to Feldkirch, mostly then with a portion to Zurich and to Bregenz (double railjet set). In the other Hour, there would have been a RJ west of Salzburg with stops to Innsbruck, terminating there.
Thanks
 

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