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ASLEF non-contractual overtime bans -various dates and TOCs

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I agree with you Goldfish62 . People have got used to planning around the odd strike day here and there. An overtime ban is a bit inconvenient. IMO I think the only way this will be resolved is all out action.
Depends which operator of course as some choose to cull the service quite severely well in excess of what needs o/t to cover for ease of planning. Those operators should now have a contingency tt that can be resourced against establishment as its clear there is going to be no movement from either side in short term. I also doubt Labour, should they be elected, will move this forward very far other than sitting round the table they need money for NHS first.
 
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Yes, I agree. If the Unions want to force the Government's hand it will need to be "we won't work until we have an agreement".

Otherwise it'll just bubble on until a change of Government.
It's cheaper for drivers and less dangerous to wait for a change of Govt rather than go for an all out strike.
That is a last resort and would certainly not get 90%+ approval in any ASLEF ballot
 

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Yes, I agree. If the Unions want to force the Government's hand it will need to be "we won't work until we have an agreement".

Otherwise it'll just bubble on until a change of Government.

And more likely beyond a change of government. If it’s having such little impact I’m not sure any new government is going to give it any different level of priority.
 

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It's cheaper for drivers and less dangerous to wait for a change of Govt rather than go for an all out strike.
That is a last resort and would certainly not get 90%+ approval in any ASLEF ballot
which is why all operators should reset their timetables to deliver within known establishments and not rely upon o/t or RDW. So be it if the timetables become erratic intervals during the day at least the maximum service thats can be achieved will be delivered unlike GTR where they have a blanket 50% or more cut across the board irrespective of depot establishment.
 

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Surely ASLEF should be taking the necessary measures to get this resolved or to bring the RDG/ govt to the table. That’s the whole point of strike action. An overtime ban isn’t and won’t have the desired effect and I’m pretty sure the drivers (and the TOCS) don’t care much about this “industrial action” the railway will operate to a near-normal service…
 

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Surely ASLEF should be taking the necessary measures to get this resolved or to bring the RDG/ govt to the table. That’s the whole point of strike action. An overtime ban isn’t and won’t have the desired effect and I’m pretty sure the drivers (and the TOCS) don’t care much about this “industrial action” the railway will operate to a near-normal service…

If you look at many of the operators out there today this is having a huge impact, there are hardly any routes where a near-normal service is running.
 

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Surely ASLEF should be taking the necessary measures to get this resolved or to bring the RDG/ govt to the table. That’s the whole point of strike action. An overtime ban isn’t and won’t have the desired effect and I’m pretty sure the drivers (and the TOCS) don’t care much about this “industrial action” the railway will operate to a near-normal service…
The operators don't care they just send the bill in to the DfT there are under no obligation to ensure resources are used effectively
 

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And more likely beyond a change of government. If it’s having such little impact I’m not sure any new government is going to give it any different level of priority.

Is it having little impact? It’s still made the national headlines and causing a fair bit of inconvenience due to cancellations.

I think the government will prioritise the NHS before the railway. Now consultants are talking about strike action

You do yet that the reason different governmental departments exist is so that these matters can be dealt with in parallel, rather than in series?

It isn’t a case of “we’ve dealt with the NHS, now let’s move onto railways”.
 

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If you look at many of the operators out there today this is having a huge impact, there are hardly any routes where a near-normal service is running.
Today's service looks remarkably similar to what TPEs passengers have experienced for the past 18 months. Does that make it a "near-normal" service?
 

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Today's service looks remarkably similar to what TPEs passengers have experienced for the past 18 months. Does that make it a "near-normal" service?

I think TPE is a poor example to use unless you are just joking. Most of the TOCs offer a very good service all the time & mine (GA) an exemplary one.
 

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Is it having little impact? It’s still made the national headlines and causing a fair bit of inconvenience due to cancellations.
Its inconveniencing passengers but not stopping them going about their business and most Tory MPs will have long given up worrying about what their constituents think now. To my mind until the Treasury accepts that loss of income is more than cost of settlement this dispute will roll on and on and on. So if i were DfT are would be instructing operators to provide a service that utilises actual driver resources and forget all RDW and o/t. Yes that will result in slimmed timetables on some routes but at least operators will be providing the best service they can and should more resources become available reinstate services.It aint going happen of course as pretty convinced Torys are in scorched earth mode now the worse they can make things the less chance Labour, should they get in, have any chance of fixing it.
 

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I think TPE is a poor example to use unless you are just joking. Most of the TOCs offer a very good service all the time & mine (GA) an exemplary one.
I didn't single TPE out because they are worse than any other TOC. The reason why I use TPE as an example is because my commute is on TPE.
 

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If you look at many of the operators out there today this is having a huge impact, there are hardly any routes where a near-normal service is running.
Sadly not enough to WFH. Just a minor inconvenience. Prefer full day strikes personally.
 

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It's a big leap of faith to believe that a different political party will be rushing to resolve railway issues above other areas that may well still be outstanding at thee time.
Especially with the current government wanna-be party. I have very little faith that they will be able to do anything to turn things around on the network.
 

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Could an ASLEF strike be possible for Friday July 28th? When RMT or ASLEF strike on the Saturday the other union usually strike on the Friday.
 

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Sadly not enough to WFH. Just a minor inconvenience. Prefer full day strikes personally.
Think most commuters were wise to it as stations and car parks on the southern end of the WCML were even quieter than a normal Monday morning this morning. Hardly an inconvenience to have an extra day at home/working from home. Over 95% of the normal advertised services are running normally on WMT/LNR today.
 

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Could an ASLEF strike be possible for Friday July 28th? When RMT or ASLEF strike on the Saturday the other union usually strike on the Friday.

Now an overtime ban has been called for that week I would say it’s unlikely.
 

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The only remotely impactful move that I could see making any serious ripples at this stage would be for both unions to alternate across a week or so, with no service for the duration. The odd day here and there or an overtime ban causing clusters of random cancellations just don’t register any more; what with DfT-imposed deliberate rolling stock shortages and various other issues that’s just business as usual for some rail users!
 

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How do we stand for refunds on already bought tickets if we can't travel due to these situations? Even if we are told the night before, it's still our money they have taken and not provided the service we've paid for.
 

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Wanted to go down to see Marsh Barton tomorrow on the opening day, and then onto Dawlish, from Bristol, and back. Is this a bad idea due to the current action short of a strike? I'm not sure how well this route was served before when similar industrial action has taken place.

Really wanted to go down on the first day it's open, but I also don't want to be stuck down there!
 

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Wanted to go down to see Marsh Barton tomorrow on the opening day, and then onto Dawlish, from Bristol, and back. Is this a bad idea due to the current action short of a strike? I'm not sure how well this route was served before when similar industrial action has taken place.

Really wanted to go down on the first day it's open, but I also don't want to be stuck down there!
You won't get stuck there. GWR have run most of their services in the area today.
 

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I didn't single TPE out because they are worse than any other TOC. The reason why I use TPE as an example is because my commute is on TPE.

Understandable that you have a very low opinion then.

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Could an ASLEF strike be possible for Friday July 28th? When RMT or ASLEF strike on the Saturday the other union usually strike on the Friday.

Who knows? Just have to wait & see.
 

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You won't get stuck there. GWR have run most of their services in the area today.
Thank you - good to know. I think XC having already cancelled one of their services past Bristol (that I wanted to get of course ahaha) made me a bit nervous, but it should be ok.
 

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haven’t seen any impact on SWR. Travelled just after 7am when Basingstoke station would be heaving (before covid) and today it was a trickle of passengers !
 

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The operators don't care they just send the bill in to the DfT there are under no obligation to ensure resources are used effectively
Exactly, The government have already admitted that strikes are costing more money than settling the dispute. Therefore a new government has an incentive to sort this quickly rather than carry on.
 

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I agree that it seems very very unlikely that anything happens (other than the current level of strikes) for the next 18 months until the election and potentially beyond.

Simple reason is that there is no pain to cause one / both sides to do something to seek a resolution - Government don't really care as public transport is not a priority and for most voters it just doesn't matter while the economy has adjusted to strikes. The Unions are also clearly not really suffering from this action (e.g. staff able to pick up extra shifts or whatever) so there is just nothing to produce progress.


An all out strike would introduce that on the Union side but then are they the ones taking the, potentially pretty big, risk that Government would blink and to be honest the Union hand is not particularly strong.

Very grim indeed for those of us who rely on a service and suffer the consequences of it.
 
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