Arriva Yorkshire discussion

[YorkRailFan]

I've noticed an increase on E400mmcs on the 415, with 1961, 1967 and 1968 all operating the route according to Bustimes.org. Is Selby expecting more E400mmcs in the near future and where will the Gemini 2s that they're displacing go? Also, how long is 2578 staying on for? I believe its one of the few Commanders left at Arriva Yorkshire, its been operating 496s so far today.

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1960, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965, https://bustimes.org/vehicles/wray-ayk-1967

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1968, all the above fleet numbers are E400mmcs operating on 415 today. 2578 on 496s.

 

[Kaliwax]

E400MMCs and Gemini 2s are swapping, with the Geminis going to Cas and some of the E400MMCs going to Selby.

Castleford are responsible for Selby's maintenance anyway, so its very common to see Selby buses at Cas, and Cas buses at Selby. But the e400mmcs and Gemini swaps have been confirmed by a Selby driver.

Arriva have a vehicle shortage at the moment, with quite a few buses off the road, Pulsar 1443 and one or two B7RLE's are sat at the back of Wakefield depot, don't know what will happen to them. Pulsars 1475 and 1445 I've been told the engines have gone on them! 1475, had a new engine early last year. 1444 is back in service now, but the engine went on that one as well! I don't know where pulsar 1428 has gone though either.

With West Yorkshire looking like Franchising being the option to go to, I can't see Arriva doing anything or investing, as what's the point of investing in something that might not be there's in a few years.

Unless the 4 remaining commanders have a major failure, I imagine, they will keep going as long as they can.

 

[JD2168]

I believe the vehicle swapping is due to a Clean Air Zone in York City Centre.

Talking of other Selby based vehicles some of Evolutions seem a bit poor at the minute with some including 0665 the front bumper looks rather loose.

 

[Kaliwax]

I believe the vehicle swapping is due to a Clean Air Zone in York City Centre.

Talking of other Selby based vehicles some of Evolutions seem a bit poor at the minute with some including 0665 the front bumper looks rather loose.

Those evolutions has always been poor, the maintenance standards when they was at Tiger was shocking to say the least.

I thought the geminis was euro 6 as I'm sure they got converted back in 2019

 

[stevieinselby]

I thought the geminis was euro 6 as I'm sure they got converted back in 2019

They certainly were allocated funding to retrofit the Geminis for Euro VI – and given that in normal service each vehicle visits York at least half a dozen times they have needed to be Euro VI compliant since January 2022, I agree it isn't tenable that the swaps are because of the York CAZ. More likely they realise that the Geminis are looking and feeling tired and showing their age, and it's better to have decent buses on the depot's flagship route and move the Geminis to less high-profile routes where they won't spend so much time running at speed.

 

[YorkRailFan]

Bustimes is showing that 1956 hasn't been out since last Thursday.

 

[Kaliwax]

Bustimes is showing that 1956 hasn't been out since last Thursday.

Most likely it is either tracking on the spare Castleford machine along with another double decker or its tracking as MMC 1950 as that bus is tracking for 2 different buses, 1950 and another UID one. Or it could be tracking as e200 1065, as that is also showing being on 2 different routes at the sametime.

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Arriva Yorkshire Commander 1403 sat at the back of the depot with a NFS in the screen.

That's 3 left now, 2578, 1409 and 1414

 

[YorkRailFan]

I'm only seeing MMCs on 415 today but it is only half-hourly today with it being bank holiday so we shall see tomorrow if some Geminis are used to provide 4x hourly service.

I believe the vehicle swapping is due to a Clean Air Zone in York City Centre.

Could we see E200mmcs on the 42 into York in that case?

 

[stevieinselby]

I'm only seeing MMCs on 415 today but it is only half-hourly today with it being bank holiday so we shall see tomorrow if some Geminis are used to provide 4x hourly service.

Could we see E200mmcs on the 42 into York in that case?

When Transdev briefly ran the 42, they got a pair of 8.9m E200MMCs but still had to get them recertified for a lower standing capacity in order to meet the weight restrictions on Cawood Bridge. So it is possible, but takes a bit of doing. The 10 year old E200s they're running now are absolutely fine for the route so I would expect them to stay until they're at the end of their useful life, there's no need for Arriva to replace them sooner.

 

[YorkRailFan]

1956 has indeed gone to Castleford and has been operating services between Castleford and Leeds since last Friday. As I thought, 1528 is the only Gemini on 415 to provide that 15 minute frequency.

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1414 hasn't been out for a week, could this be the end for another Commander at Arriva Yorkshire?

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Bus Times showing that 2578 is the only Commander left at Arriva Yorkshire? 1414 has a line drawn through it, has it been scrapped?

 

[Kaliwax]

1956 has indeed gone to Castleford and has been operating services between Castleford and Leeds since last Friday. As I thought, 1528 is the only Gemini on 415 to provide that 15 minute frequency.

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1414 hasn't been out for a week, could this be the end for another Commander at Arriva Yorkshire?

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Bus Times showing that 2578 is the only Commander left at Arriva Yorkshire? 1414 has a line drawn through it, has it been scrapped?

1414 and 1409 have been withdrawn from the fleet. Replaced by a E200 from the North East in 1049. More e200s due to follow soon.

2578 is the last commander remaining.

 

[YorkRailFan]

2578 is the last commander remaining.

Do you know how long 2578 has left?

 

[Kaliwax]

Do you know how long 2578 has left?

Sorry I don't. But there is a swap of Pulsars between Wakefield and Castleford at the moment for fleet standardisation. The 62 plate Pulsars from Wakey have gone to Cas and the 58 plate Pulsar 1s that Cas have got, have gone to Wakefield. But also a Pulsar 2 has gone from Cas to Wakefield, which I didn't expect, if Pulsar 1444 goes to Wakey from Cas as well, that could see the end of commander 2578.

 

[YorkRailFan]

When Transdev briefly ran the 42, they got a pair of 8.9m E200MMCs but still had to get them recertified for a lower standing capacity in order to meet the weight restrictions on Cawood Bridge. So it is possible, but takes a bit of doing. The 10 year old E200s they're running now are absolutely fine for the route so I would expect them to stay until they're at the end of their useful life, there's no need for Arriva to replace them sooner.

I was thinking more about if Arriva will switch to MMCs due to the Clean Air Zone in York?

 

[Kaliwax]

I was thinking more about if Arriva will switch to MMCs due to the Clean Air Zone in York?

No, the E200 minis are fine and are euro 6. Besides Arriva Yorkshire E200mmcs aren't 8.9m, think they are 10.8m

 

[stevieinselby]

I was thinking more about if Arriva will switch to MMCs due to the Clean Air Zone in York?

Why? It's already in place and the buses they've got are cleared for it because they have been retrofitted for Euro VI.

 

[Kaliwax]

5 Enviro 400s are on loan to Arriva Yorkshire from a Liverpool depot

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4681/82/84/89/91 are the ones rumoured to have gone to Wakefield Depot. I don't know if any drivers have gone on loan either


The source posted by a Wakefield driver at Wakefield depot in Arriva North West Facebook group.
(Note that the group is private so will require a Facebook account and membership of the group to view)

 

[childwallblues]

5 Enviro 400s are on loan to Arriva Yorkshire from a Liverpool depot

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4681/82/84/89/91 are the ones rumoured to have gone to Wakefield Depot. I don't know if any drivers have gone on loan either


The source posted by a Wakefield driver at Wakefield depot in Arriva North West Facebook group.
(Note that the group is private so will require a Facebook account and membership of the group to view)

The Enviro 400s are on loan from Speke Depot and only four 4681/82/84/91 are involved. Buses will be swapped back to Speke as required.
Speke has a reduced requirement during school/university holidays.

 

[YorkRailFan]

Some upcoming service changes at Arriva Yorkshire from 21 July:

Latest News - Arriva UK Bus

www.arrivabus.co.uk

There will be changes to some routes and timetables from 21st July. Key features of these changes include:

• Extra evening trips on services 135/136, 140/141, 156, 163 and 164/165. At the moment we run a bus every hour each evening on these routes, but we’ll be doubling that with a bus every 30 minutes each evening.
• We will be extending some trips on service 164 from Garforth to Sherburn Industrial Estate. These trips will no longer serve East Garforth Railway Station.
• Lots of timetables are changed to reflect the latest traffic volumes, helping to improve our punctuality.
• Service 5 will no longer run, as the developer funding has come to an end.
• We will no longer serve Abbots Road estate with service 64 or 164. Services will terminate at, and start from, Selby Bus Station. Service 476 will continue to serve Abbots Road estate.
• There will be extra trips on service 42 early in the morning from Cawood to Selby.
• Service 8 will no longer divert via Selby College, but service 42 will extend to/from Selby College instead.

If you know a friend or relative who would like to drive their career forward with Arriva Yorkshire, do please let them know we’re recruiting. We welcome applicants via arrivabusjobs.co.uk

The full list of timetable changes is below.

5 Selby - Staynor Hall

Service 5 will no longer run, as the developer funding has come to an end.

8 Selby - Barlow - Camblesforth - Drax

A new timetable will be launched, with services leaving Selby at 0955, 1155 and 1355, and returning from Drax at 1021, 1221 and 1421. Selby College is no longer served, with service 42 replacing these trips.

Download the new 8 timetable

42 York - Naburn - Stillingfleet - Cawood - Selby

Changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service. Additional early morning journeys will operate from Cawood to Selby on Mondays to Fridays at 0611 and 0711, and on Saturdays at 0716. On school days, one journey will extend to Selby college, and one journey will start from Selby college, partly replacing the equivalent trips on service 8.

Download the new 42 timetable

64 Sherburn - South Milford - Monk Fryston - Thorpe Willoughby - Selby

Changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service. Abbots Road estate is no longer served, with services terminating at, and starting from, Selby Bus Station. Service 476 will continue to serve Abbots Road estate.

Download the new 64/164 timetable

126 Dewsbury - Chickenley - Ossett - Horbury - Wakefield

Minor changes are made to where buses will wait if they are running ahead of their published time. There are no other changes to the route, number of trips or timetable.

Download the new 126 timetable

135/136 Pontefract - Chequerfield circulars

NEW! Extra evening trips introduced!

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service, and additional evening journeys are introduced. The service will still operate up to every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every 30 minutes Sunday daytime, and it will now run up to every 30 minutes each evening.

Download the new 135/136 timetable

140/141 Leeds - Methley / Mickletown - Castleford - Junction 32 - Pontefract

NEW! Extra evening trips introduced!

Major changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service, and additional evening journeys are introduced. The service will still operate up to every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every 30 minutes Sunday daytime, and it will now run up to every 30 minutes each evening.

Trips currently run as service 140A will instead run as service 140 via Junction 32. Alternative services are available to St Wilfrid’s Catholic High School, using services SW2 and SW3 from Pontefract, and service SW8 from Castleford Bus Station.

Download the new 140/141 timetable

147 Wakefield - City Fields - Altofts - Normanton - Featherstone - Pontefract

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 147 timetable

156 Castleford - Airedale - Ferry Fryston

NEW! Extra evening trips introduced!

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service, and additional evening journeys are introduced. The service will still operate up to every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every 30 minutes Sunday daytime, and it will now run up to every 30 minutes each evening.

Download the new 156 timetable

163 Leeds - Cross Gates - Garforth - Kippax - Allerton Bywater - Castleford

NEW! Extra evening trips introduced!

Major changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service, and additional evening journeys are introduced. The service will still operate up to every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every 30 minutes Sunday daytime, and it will now run up to every 30 minutes each evening.

Download the new 163/SW8 timetable

164/165 Leeds - Seacroft Hospital - Cross Gates - The Springs - Thorpe Park - Kippax / Garforth - Sherburn - Selby

NEW! Extra evening trips introduced!
NEW! More trips to Micklefield and Sherburn Industrial Estate!

Major changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Some trips which currently terminate in Garforth will extend to Sherburn Industrial Estate via Micklefield. These trips will no longer serve East Garforth Railway Station. This will provide Sherburn Industrial Estate and Micklefield with an hourly service to Leeds Monday to Saturday daytime.

Additional evening journeys are introduced. The service will now operate:
• Between Leeds and Thorpe Park: up to every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every 30 minutes Sunday daytime, and now up to every 30 minutes each evening.
• Between Thorpe Park and Kippax: up to every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every hour Sunday daytime, and now up to every hour each evening.
• Between Thorpe Park, Garforth, Micklefield and Sherburn: now up to every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime, up to every hour Sunday daytime, and up to every hour each evening.
• Between Sherburn and Selby: up to every two hours Monday to Saturday daytime.

Abbots Road estate is no longer served, with services terminating at, and starting from, Selby Bus Station. Service 476 will continue to serve Abbots Road estate.

Download the new 164/165 timetable

168 Leeds - Woodlesford - Swillington - Allerton Bywater - Castleford

Major changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 168 timetable

186 Wakefield - Normanton - Altofts - Castleford - Junction 32 - Airedale - Pontefract

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 186 timetable

189 Wakefield - Normanton - Castleford

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 189 timetable

400 Selby - Camblesforth - Goole - Howden - Newport

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 400/401/641 timetable

401 Selby - Camblesforth - Snaith - Rawcliffe - Goole

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 400/401/641 timetable

408/409 Pontefract - Darrington - Thorpe Audlin / Kirk Smeaton

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 408/409 timetable

444/446 Leeds - Rothwell - Carlton / Woodlesford - Stanley - City Fields - Wakefield

Minor changes are made to where buses will wait if they are running ahead of their published time. There are no other changes to the route, number of trips or timetable.

Download the new 444/446 timetable

476 Selby - Brayton - Eggborough - Whitley - Kellington - Beal - Kellingley - Knottingley -
Ferrybridge - Pontefract

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 476 timetable

493 Sherburn - South Milford - Monk Fryston - Hillam - Fairburn - Brotherton - Byram Park -
Ferrybridge - Pontefract

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 493 timetable

SW8 St Wilfrid's Catholic High School

Some changes are made to the timetable to improve the punctuality of the service.

Download the new 163/SW8 timetable

Largely some minor changes to avoid Road congestion but there are some good changes. Good to see extra evening and morning services on some routes. Really like the extra morning services on the 42 between Cawood and Selby, will benefit a lot of people commuting early into Selby from Cawood.

 

[johntea]

Excellent news regarding the extra 141 evening trips

I’ve never understood however why they generally run it as a single decker whilst other much shorter services such as the 156 are almost always a double decker!

 

[YorkRailFan]

Bustimes is showing that 2578 (Arriva Yorkshire's last Commander) hasn't been out since 4 July. Is this the end of the road for 2578 or is it in for maintenance?

 

[Mollman]

Some upcoming service changes at Arriva Yorkshire from 21 July:

Latest News - Arriva UK Bus

www.arrivabus.co.uk

Largely some minor changes to avoid Road congestion but there are some good changes. Good to see extra evening and morning services on some routes. Really like the extra morning services on the 42 between Cawood and Selby, will benefit a lot of people commuting early into Selby from Cawood.

Although there is not so good news in Selby with the end of service 5, reduction in frequency to Abbots Road and on service 8.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Although there is not so good news in Selby with the end of service 5, reduction in frequency to Abbots Road and on service 8.

Hmmm.... Would it be that the other good news be the result of BSIP funding from West Yorkshire rather than anything altruistic from Arriva?

 

[espicer]

Bustimes is showing that 2578 (Arriva Yorkshire's last Commander) hasn't been out since 4 July. Is this the end of the road for 2578 or is it in for maintenance?

Apparently it is parked up in Castleford Depot according to a private Facebook group. I have requested to join it to see proof.

So glad I made a long journey from Luton to Wakefield to get on it on 3 July, looks like it might have got withdrawn the day after.

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Apparently it is parked up in Castleford Depot according to a private Facebook group. I have requested to join it to see proof.

So glad I made a long journey from Luton to Wakefield to get on it on 3 July, looks like it might have got withdrawn the day after.

It looks as if 2578 is back out according to bustimes on the 118.

 

[YorkRailFan]

Apparently it is parked up in Castleford Depot according to a private Facebook group. I have requested to join it to see proof.

So glad I made a long journey from Luton to Wakefield to get on it on 3 July, looks like it might have got withdrawn the day after.

2578 appears to be back out today on 118s this morning.

Route	Trip	To
118	4192	07:25	Wakefield City Centre	Map
118	4193	08:10	White Rose Centre	Map
118	4196	09:05	Wakefield City Centre	Map
118	4197	10:10	White Rose Centre	Map
118	4200	11:05	Wakefield City Centre	Map

 

[markymark2000]

Just reading through the Arriva Yorkshire service changes for September and found some cracking snide remarks:

Latest News - Arriva UK Bus

www.arrivabus.co.uk

Major changes are made to the timetable. Service 254 will extend from Brighouse to Huddersfield, whilst service 255 will gain additional trips to Scholes.

Service 254 will extend from Brighouse to Huddersfield. After serving Brighouse Bus Station, we will run direct to Huddersfield via A641 passing Brighouse Sainsbury's, Brighouse Railway Station, Huddersfield ASDA, and Huddersfield Railway Station before reaching Huddersfield Bus Station. We will depart from Stand P at Huddersfield Bus Station, and call at stop S4 at Huddersfield Railway Station, before heading back up A641 direct to Brighouse passing Huddersfield ASDA, Brighouse Railway Station and Brighouse Sainsbury's before reaching Brighouse Bus Station and continuing along the existing route to Leeds.

The extended route has been designed to partially replace service 260 by offering a quicker and more frequent service between Cleckheaton and Huddersfield. In Huddersfield, it offers public transport users more choice throughout the ongoing railway upgrade works. It also offers residents of North Huddersfield with services to Leeds, which were lost when service X6 was withdrawn by another bus operator several years ago. Additionally, there has recently been a significant reduction in the number of trips offered by another bus operator between Brighouse and Huddersfield, as well as their introduction of “AI timetables” which has led to large gaps between trips along this corridor. For all these reasons, we are hopeful that this extended service will be a welcome addition to the bus network in the area.

Service 255 will gain additional trips to Scholes, following customer feedback. This reinstates the level of service on this route to that which we operated before the pandemic.

You must be doing a bad job at something when even Arriva comes out to criticise you. Brought me so much joy just reading it, I thought I had to share with the forum.

 

[YorkRailFan]

There are also some other changes at Arriva Yorkshire. Including a new service between Wakefield and Leeds University.

Latest News - Arriva UK Bus

www.arrivabus.co.uk

We will be launching new express service X10 between Wakefield, Leeds City Square and University of Leeds. There will be 5 trips towards Leeds in the AM peak, and 5 trips from Leeds in the PM peak. Buses will use the A650, M1 and M621, offering a quicker route to the West of Leeds City Centre compared to service 110.

Fantastic news for students in Wakefield who study at Leeds University.

Service 261 continues to serve Dalton and Kirkheaton, with the last trip departing later from Huddersfield at 2015 (currently 1845).

• Service 271 will be split into two routes. Service 271 will continue to run between Batley and Heckmondwike, and new service 272 will operate between Heckmondwike and Cleckheaton.

• Lots of timetables are changed to reflect the latest traffic volumes, helping to improve our punctuality.

Great to see a later last service on the 261 as well.

 

[RELL6L]

Just reading through the Arriva Yorkshire service changes for September and found some cracking snide remarks:

Latest News - Arriva UK Bus

www.arrivabus.co.uk

You must be doing a bad job at something when even Arriva comes out to criticise you. Brought me so much joy just reading it, I thought I had to share with the forum.

Well said Arriva!

 

[Andyh82]

Buses between Brighouse and Huddersfield run by “another operator” are mostly every 18 minutes but with varying gaps, the biggest I can see in the daytime is 21 minutes

They were every 10 minutes before COVID gradually dropping to 12, 15 and then the current AI version of 15 which like I say is actually 18ish

 

[RELL6L]

Buses between Brighouse and Huddersfield run by “another operator” are mostly every 18 minutes but with varying gaps, the biggest I can see in the daytime is 21 minutes

They were every 10 minutes before COVID gradually dropping to 12, 15 and then the current AI version of 15 which like I say is actually 18ish

This is the madness of AI timetables / control by accountants etc!

I have commented on the First thread about the 579. This is a tricky service as a round trip, with layovers, is about 66 minutes. Therefore whatever the frequency it doesn't quite work, every 20 minutes needs four buses with 14 minutes "wasted" etc. Stagecoach would simply interwork this with another route at Halifax and it would work at whatever frequency they decided. First say we have 3 vehicles available so it will run every 22 minutes - slightly less frequently as the round trip time gets longer.

The 363 Huddersfield to Bradford though is simply self inflicted. Here the round trip time is essentially 2 hours. So 12 buses gets you every 10 minutes, 10 buses every12 minutes, 8 buses every 15 minutes, 6 buses every 20 minutes. But someone in their infinite wisdom has allowed First 7 buses. So it runs roughly 7 times every 2 hours, ie 17-18 minutes. It looks like an extra bus in the evening peak improves it slightly. Frankly 6 buses every 20 minutes would be better. No wonder Arriva have spotted an opportunity here - good luck to them.

On the AI timetables I keep starting to post on the First Potteries thread about their new 38/39s but the red mist comes down...