Are the next rail strikes confirmed?

[matthewjohnson]

The way the club are playing at the moment, I'll probably be leaving early to catch the half 10 Northern service anyway!

 

[dk1]

Leaked it to the media? As soon as notice is given then passengers need to be informed.

Unions have dropped a clanger here.

Unfortunate but if they wanted to target the party conference then it was unavoidable really.

 

[LittleAH]

Unfortunate but if they wanted to target the party conference then it was unavoidable really.

I understand that, but perhaps targeting the end of the conference would've been better.

However, the rhetoric of TOCs leaking to the media is utter nonsense. Passengers should come first in these situations.

 

[dk1]

I understand that, but perhaps targeting the end of the conference would've been better.

However, the rhetoric of TOCs leaking to the media is utter nonsense. Passengers should come first in these situations.

Before & after seems to be the plan. I was expecting a continuous 4-5 days.

 

[Sheridan]

The issues leading to the disputes haven’t miraculously gone away during this ‘period of mourning’, so why should the unions stop functioning during it? It’s not as if the TOCs have stopped running trains for the duration. Apart from football and some other large events, life has generally carried on, with acknowledgement of the Queen’s passing where appropriate. Why should union work not carry on as well?

 

[northwichcat]

The issues leading to the disputes haven’t miraculously gone away during this ‘period of mourning’, so why should the unions stop functioning during it? It’s not as if the TOCs have stopped running trains for the duration. Apart from football and some other large events, life has generally carried on, with acknowledgement of the Queen’s passing where appropriate. Why should union work not carry on as well?

ASLEF announced they have suspended strikes out of respect for The Queen but then give notice of new strikes on the last weekday before The Queen's funeral. Then say they won't comment on it before The Queen's funeral. So the TOCs know but ASLEF don't think the passengers should have been told for another 4 days, giving them just 10 days notice. Is it action supposed to be against passengers instead of operators? It's not normally ASLEF who make the PR disasters but this time they've done a Center Parcs. Actually correction, they haven't yet as they've not attempted to rectify their mistakes.

 

[Sheridan]

ASLEF announced they have suspended strikes out of respect for The Queen but then give notice of new strikes on the last weekday before The Queen's funeral. Then say they won't comment on it before The Queen's funeral. So the TOCs know but ASLEF don't think the passengers should have been told for another 4 days, giving them just 10 days notice. Is it action supposed to be against passengers instead of operators? It's not normally ASLEF who make the PR disasters but this time they've done a Center Parcs. Actually correction, they haven't yet as they've not attempted to rectify their mistakes.

The second point I accept, refusing to comment on it publicly is bad, but on the first one, actually striking is rather different from planning for a future strike. It’s understandable they would postpone a strike in this period but still keep working towards new dates.

 

[Watershed]

This was on the BBC News earlier. It seemed that ASLEF are ‘making it known’ (to ‘comply’ with the 14-day notice obligation) but not actually ‘announcing’ it out of respect to Her Late Majesty during the mourning period.

So much "respect" that they decided to notify employers of a new strike during the mourning period. It really wouldn't have hurt their cause to wait and have the first strike a few days later - either way the Tory Party conference would be affected.

What an utterly pathetic attempt at trying to have your cake and eat it.

 

[yorkie]

The issues leading to the disputes haven’t miraculously gone away during this ‘period of mourning’, so why should the unions stop functioning during it? It’s not as if the TOCs have stopped running trains for the duration. Apart from football and some other large events, life has generally carried on, with acknowledgement of the Queen’s passing where appropriate. Why should union work not carry on as well?

Fine , they are under no obligations, but for the Union to go on about "respect" in the manner they did is utterly bizarre, but consistent with the behaviour expected of Unions.

So much "respect" that they decided to notify employers of a new strike during the mourning period. It really wouldn't have hurt their cause to wait and have the first strike a few days later - either way the Tory Party conference would be affected.

What an utterly pathetic attempt at trying to have your cake and eat it.

Unfortunately they have been rather good at actually achieving that over a number of years; it needs putting a stop to and the pandering needs to stop.

 

[Urobach]

ASLEF announced they have suspended strikes out of respect for The Queen

They're still not striking in mourning period

but then give notice of new strikes on the last weekday before The Queen's funeral.

Because they want to target the 1st October, outside of mourning period, but have to give two weeks notice, (by law which they're complying with) which falls in the mourning period, what were they meant to do?

Then say they won't comment on it before The Queen's funeral. So the TOCs know but ASLEF don't think the passengers should have been told for another 4 days, giving them just 10 days notice. Is it action supposed to be against passengers instead of operators?

Depends on your view I guess, but it could be argued it would be inappropriate to discuss in the media at the moment considering the Queen. It's just a consequence of needing two weeks notice.

That being said I do think it's fair passengers are given the same notice.

It's not normally ASLEF who make the PR disasters but this time they've done a Center Parcs. Actually correction, they haven't yet as they've not attempted to rectify their mistakes.

That's a huge stretch

 

[yorkie]

They're still not striking in mourning period



Because they want to target the 1st October, outside of mourning period, but have to give two weeks notice, (by law which they're complying with) which falls in the mourning period, what were they meant to do?

They need to stop being hypocritical.

Depends on your view I guess, but it could be argued it would be inappropriate to discuss in the media at the moment considering the Queen. It's just a consequence of needing two weeks notice.

That being said I do think it's fair passengers are given the same notice.

Not just "fair", absolutely essential.

 

[scrapy]

Its surely the TOCs responsibility not the unions to inform passengers of changes to services on strike dates. If TOCs choose not to tell passengers straight away that's surely them having contempt for passengers. (They were all informed this morning yet the TOCs I've checked so far have nothing on their websites).

Its a unions choice whether or not they campaign and ASLEF have chosen to suspend campaigning until after the queen's funeral, whilst giving legal notice to their members employers. If the unions could legally give less notice, I'm sure they would.

 

[Urobach]

They need to stop being hypocritical.

I don't see it as hypocritical, they're complying with laws whilst respecting not striking during a period of mourning

 

[yorkie]

Its surely the TOCs responsibility not the unions to inform passengers of changes to services on strike dates. Its a unions choice whether or not they campaign and ASLEF have chosen to suspend campaigning until after the queen's funeral, whilst giving legal notice to their members employers.

Are you saying it's usual practice for Aslef not to have a notice on their website?

Has anyone suggested Asleft should "inform" passengers? What do you mean by "inform" anyway?

Is Aslef taking the same approach as previous strikes?

I don't see it as hypocritical, they're complying with laws whilst respecting not striking during a period of mourning

You can see it however you want, but I do not think the general public would typically see it in the same way as someone such as yourself.

 

[Watershed]

Because they want to target the 1st October, outside of mourning period, but have to give two weeks notice, (by law which they're complying with) which falls in the mourning period, what were they meant to do?

If "respect" for the mourning period is so important, they wouldn't target 1st October in the first place. But clearly this "respect" is just a fig leaf that gets thrown away as soon as it becomes inconvenient.

They could hardly have expected the TOCs to keep quiet about it once they gave their notice.

They knew exactly what would happen. They are just pretending to have some sort of moral high ground here, which in reality they don't.

 

[Urobach]

If "respect" for the mourning period is so important, they wouldn't target 1st October in the first place. But clearly this "respect" is just a fig leaf that gets thrown away as soon as it becomes inconvenient.

But we're not in mourning on 1st October?

 

[yorkie]

But we're not in mourning on 1st October?

So, to be clear, Aslef deem it would be disrespectful to strike during the mourning period, but not disrespectful for a strike to be revealed during the mourning period; that is their logic, right?

Maybe to some train drivers (and other Union sympathisers) that seems logical, but to me, I don't see that logic. You are of course entitled to your views but I doubt the general public are going to be on board with this. Not that the Union is interested in that of course!

 

[northwichcat]

Its surely the TOCs responsibility not the unions to inform passengers of changes to services on strike dates. If TOCs choose not to tell passengers straight away that's surely them having contempt for passengers. (They were all informed this morning yet the TOCs I've checked so far have nothing on their websites).

Its a unions choice whether or not they campaign and ASLEF have chosen to suspend campaigning until after the queen's funeral, whilst giving legal notice to their members employers. If the unions could legally give less notice, I'm sure they would.

Someone will have to correct the obvious error but...

Further strikes - Sunday 1 and 5 October​

We have been made aware of further rail strikes on Saturday 1 and Wednesday 5 October 2022.

This page will be updated with more information when available

Strikes

Northern | Industrial action information

www.northernrailway.co.uk

ASLEF will have been well aware the media will contact them for comments if the TOCs publish the strike dates. It is normal for the media to get both sides of a story.

 

[Watershed]

But we're not in mourning on 1st October?

No, we're not. But we are at the moment - and the unions have decided that today is the right day to give notice of a new strike.

They have then opened a can of worms by refusing to comment or acknowledge this, out of some strange notion that talking about the strike is the disrespectful bit.

 

[Urobach]

So, to be clear, Aslef deem it would be disrespectful to strike during the mouring period, but not disrespectful for a strike to be revealed during the mourning period; that is their logic, right?

Maybe to a train driver that seems logical, but to me, I don't see that logic. You are of course entitled to your views but I doubt the general public are going to be on board with this. Not that the Union is interested in that of course!

I see it from the point of view that ASLEF/RMT/whoever are complying with the laws to declare they're striking nearly two weeks after mourning has finished.

The general public will probably be as split as "I support" and "I don't support" as it usually is.

 

[Drogba11CFC]

And the no sympathy brigade will be even smugger than ever.

 

[Andyh82]

Pretty shameful that they hold targeting the Tory party conference in a higher priority than respecting the period of mourning that they earlier said they were doing

Now the TOCs are having to tweet out strike action early notice messages mixed in with ones talking about how to travel to London for the funeral.

 

[Urobach]

No, we're not. But we are at the moment - and the unions have decided that today is the right day to give notice of a new strike.

They have then opened a can of worms by refusing to comment or acknowledge this, out of some strange notion that talking about the strike is the disrespectful bit.

I don't want to go round in circles and to be clear I do understand your point about the timing, but it's just an unfortunate consequence of needing to provide two weeks notice.

Two weeks today, presumably, we'll have all moved on from the Queen's funeral?

 

[Fokx]

So, to be clear, Aslef deem it would be disrespectful to strike during the mourning period, but not disrespectful for a strike to be revealed during the mourning period; that is their logic, right?

No.

ASLEF and RMT suspended strike action primarily to allow people to travel from across the UK into London (and Scotland) primarily to pay their respects. They did not suspend action because of the mourning period, which the UK will not officially be in when said action takes place.

 

[Watershed]

I see it from the point of view that ASLEF/RMT/whoever are complying with the laws to declare they're striking nearly two weeks after mourning has finished.

Of course they're complying with the law, but you have it back to front. It's their decision when to strike. They know that they will have to give notice two weeks earlier. So by deciding that strike day they are also deciding when (at the latest) they will have to give notice. They aren't stupid, they have just taken a calculated risk and are now trying to dress it up as if they're being thoughtful.

The general public will probably be as split as "I support" and "I don't support" as it usually is.

I doubt they will have exactly helped their cause by deciding today was the right day to reopen the discussion about strikes.

 

[Fokx]

Pretty shameful that they hold targeting the Tory party conference in a higher priority than respecting the period of mourning that they earlier said they were doing

Because they’re essentially in dispute with this Government and the stranglehold of the DfT.

 

[yorkie]

No.

ASLEF and RMT suspended strike action primarily to allow people to travel from across the UK into London (and Scotland) primarily to pay their respects. They did not suspend action because of the mourning period, which the UK will not officially be in when said action takes place.

Primarily? What were the other reasons?

Why is ASLEF seemingly silent about the next strikes at this time?

 

[Bald Rick]

The union hasn't announced anything the TOC's and the government have leaked it

It is the TOCs that have leaked to the media,

I have heard from more than one ‘senior industry sources’ that the media were asking questions about a strike on Oct 1st / 5th before the notice of action arrived in the inbox.

Which means there is only one organisation who could possibly have leaked the news.

it interesting that RMT and TSSA have followed ASLEF. The former will not be impressed about that.

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Cov corridor could well be blocked that weekend.

That’s off.

 

[mac]

I'm in the RMT and have supported the strike on all the previous days but today I've been paid £1828 for 4 weeks my mortgage is £593 so not much left for my other bills so unfortunately I won't be supporting the strike anymore

 

[Kite159]

Most of the people attending that conference who would have used the train will simply use the car instead. So bit of an own goal from the unions, especially targeting the marathon.