Are the next rail strikes confirmed?

[The Planner]

That’s off.

Really? Considering the amount of grief the Beechwood block has caused as it was really last minute, when did it get pulled, today?

 

[Urobach]

Of course they're complying with the law, but you have it back to front. It's their decision when to strike. They know that they will have to give notice two weeks earlier. So by deciding that strike day they are also deciding when (at the latest) they will have to give notice. They aren't stupid, they have just taken a calculated risk and are now trying to dress it up as if they're being thoughtful.

Of course it's their decision, they want to strike at the start of the Tory conference, it just so happens that they required to give notice to TOCs today.

They haven't run to the media about this, thus (potentially) taking over the news, just giving the required notice by law

As I said earlier, it's fair (essential if you'd rather) passengers get the same notice, but it's very different from striking today.

Because they’re essentially in dispute with this Government and the stranglehold of the DfT.

Indeed

 

[yorkie]

I'm in the RMT and have supported the strike on all the previous days but today I've been paid £1828 for 4 weeks my mortgage is £593 so not much left for my other bills so unfortunately I won't be supporting the strike anymore

Good for you; hopefully others will follow suit. You have every right to work and earn the wage you signed up for and no-one has the right to stop or dissuade you from doing so

 

[Fokx]

Primarily? What were the other reasons?

Why is ASLEF seemingly silent about the next strikes at this time?

Purely PR based, not to mention the original target (rail awards) has since been postponed also

Can’t answer that, I’m part of a different union.

 

[JonathanH]

Most of the people attending that conference who would have used the train will simply use the car instead. So bit of an own goal from the unions, especially targeting the marathon.

Huh? Surely that could be said about strike action on any date? What kind of action do you feel wouldn't be an 'own goal'? The unions and the workforce don't have many other sanctions they can take apart from withdrawing their labour?

 

[yorkie]

They haven't run to the media about this...

How did they media know about this?

, thus (potentially) taking over the news

How is this not going to be news just because the Unions won't make a public comment on it?

just giving the required notice by law

Fine but they cannot have it both ways.

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Huh? Surely that could be said about strike action on any date? What kind of action do you feel wouldn't be an 'own goal'?

The whole charade is an own goal.

The unions and the workforce don't have many other sanctions they can take apart from withdrawing their labour?

But it's not going to achieve what they want it to achieve; furthermore, if it did, it would just encourage such behaviour in future. So it cannot be allowed to be successful.

 

[theking]

The whole point of a strike is to cause maximum disruption for the employers so they offer a fair deal.

It's a strike after the funeral but the usual railway worker bashers are out in force on here

 

[Fokx]

But it's not going to achieve what they want it to achieve; furthermore, if it did, it would just encourage such behaviour in future. So it cannot be allowed to be successful.

It will achieve exactly what they want it to achieve and that’s largely to bring it to the attention of the Conservative government with the intention of triggering conversation.

How many MP’s and party members will now be discussing the strike, even if just socially that wouldn’t have done if there was no action at all?

 

[SCDR_WMR]

I just don't get why they didn't just postpone the strike until the 1st anyway rather than cancel it and then have to give 14 days notice. Would've been simpler to just change the date surely? I believe it's CWU, RMT and ASLEF on the 1st

 

[yorkie]

The whole point of a strike is to cause maximum disruption for the employers so they offer a fair deal.

Indeed it is to cause disruption; this will hardly endear the Unions to the general public, not that the Unions care about that.

It's a strike after the funeral but the usual railway worker bashers are out in force on here

Who is bashing railway workers?

I know many railway workers who want to work and are not keen to strike; do you support those who are keen to work to be able to do so?

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I just don't get why they didn't just postpone the strike until the 1st anyway rather than cancel it and then have to give 14 days notice. Would've been simpler to just change the date surely? I believe it's CWU, RMT and ASLEF on the 1st

Whatever the complexities involved, even if they could have done that, doing it this way causes more disruption so would be deemed to be more desirable anyway.

 

[SWT_USER]

Given that redundancy notices were issued to the (now) King's Clarence House staff during the mourning period, it doesn't seem unreasonable for the unions in other industries to carry on with business as usual too.

The world keeps turning..

 

[yorkie]

Given that redundancy notices were issued to the (now) King's Clarence House staff during the mourning period, it doesn't seem unreasonable for the unions in other industries to carry on with business as usual too.

The world keeps turning..

But that's not the argument, and you know it.

 

[SWT_USER]

But that's not the argument, and you know it.

I think Aslef should have owned their decision and come out publicly as soon as it was decided - absolutely.

 

[LittleAH]

No.

ASLEF and RMT suspended strike action primarily to allow people to travel from across the UK into London (and Scotland) primarily to pay their respects. They did not suspend action because of the mourning period, which the UK will not officially be in when said action takes place.

What you fail to acknowledge is the rail staff whose job it then is to inform passengers. By doing it this afternoon, ahead of a bank holiday, it gives less time to do the job.

 

[O L Leigh]

But that's not the argument, and you know it.

And what is, oh sage one?

 

[yorkie]

What you fail to acknowledge is the rail staff whose job it then is to inform passengers. By doing it this afternoon, ahead of a bank holiday, it gives less time to do the job.

I am sure the Unions did this very deliberately, knowing full well it would put some staff in a difficult position.

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And what is...

Surely you cannot claim the Unions were putting out a business as usual message previously when they cancelled the strikes due to take place this weekend? Did they not also not talk about "respect"?

It is not the case that people are randomly saying the Unions need to stop carrying out their business, but any actions taken by the Unions now do need to be viewed in the context of what they said and did previously.

oh sage one?

Can you clarify what exactly you mean by this?

 

[Fokx]

What you fail to acknowledge is the rail staff whose job it then is to inform passengers. By doing it this afternoon, ahead of a bank holiday, it gives less time to do the job.

How odd? Because there was me thinking the government wanted rail staff to be more flexible when it came to working hours, does that not apply to management? The train crew, control teams, customer service and social media teams who proactively engage with passengers will all be working this bank holiday weekend

 

[yorkie]

How odd? Because there was me thinking the government wanted rail staff to be more flexible when it came to working hours, does that not apply to management? The train crew, control teams, customer service and social media teams who proactively engage with passengers will all be working this bank holiday weekend

You are joking, right?

A friend of mine who is also a TPE Guard has told me he has no intention of doing anything more than the bare minimum and stays in his cab. This is not an isolated case as many of my journeys see no staff walk through the train whatsoever.

Your attempt to have a dig at 'management' is absolutely nonsensical.

 

[Fokx]

You are joking, right?

A friend of mine who is also a TPE Guard has told me he has no intention of doing anything more than the bare minimum and stays in his cab. This is not an isolated case as many of my journeys see no staff walk through the train whatsoever.

Your attempt to have a dig at 'management' is absolutely nonsensical.

You might remember that I’m also a TPE guard and I’m proactive. Demotivated, but proactive

 

[yorkie]

You might remember that I’m also a TPE guard and I’m proactive. Demotivated, but proactive

Indeed but many of your colleagues are not proactive in the slightest. Not some; many.

I've never know anything like it before; if you went back a few years it would be almost unheard of not to have a ticket check.

They are not presenting a good case for the value of the grade and are acting in a manner that is detrimental to the future of the grade itself and the entire rail industry in my opinion.

The Unions are now trying to disrupt and wind up passengers as much as possible.

Talk about pressing the self-destruct button!

I totally support those staff who are proactive and are keen to work and do not support the strikes; sadly they are often afraid to speak up.

 

[dk1]

You can see it however you want, but I do not think the general public would typically see it in the same way as someone such as yourself.

To be fair, the general public only see it in a way that suits themselves. Hardly going to agree with a strong union of workers that are not batting for the same team.

 

[TheEdge]

Who is bashing railway workers?

I believe it would be you...

This is not an isolated case as many of my journeys see no staff walk through the train whatsoever.

Indeed but many of your colleagues are not proactive in the slightest. Not some; many.

I've never know anything like it before; if you went back a few years it would be almost unheard of not to have a ticket check.

They are not presenting a good case for the value of the grade and are acting in a manner that is detrimental to the future of the grade itself and the entire rail industry in my opinion,

How odd? Because there was me thinking the government wanted rail staff to be more flexible when it came to working hours, does that not apply to management? The train crew, control teams, customer service and social media teams who proactively engage with passengers will all be working this bank holiday weekend

You are joking, right?

 

[yorkie]

To be fair, the general public only see it in a way that suits themselves.

Would you argue the same is not true of (say) drivers or guards?

Also we must not lose sight of what the railway exists for; at the end of the day it exists to transport people (and, beyond the scope of this thread, freight).

Hardly going to agree with a strong union of workers that are not batting for the same team.

Indeed Unions that are against the general public are not going to be popular, not that they want to be popular!

 

[Scott1]

Surely you cannot claim the Unions were putting out a business as usual message previously when they cancelled the strikes due to take place this weekend? Did they not also not talk about "respect"?

It is not the case that people are randomly saying the Unions need to stop carrying out their business, but any actions taken by the Unions now do need to be viewed in the context of what they said and did previously.

I suppose for me I see it as very releavent. The union pulls the industrial action to make sure people can get to the funeral and that's been done. I don't see that anything further is required, and sending in the strike notification to TOCs as legally required is just administrative process. The choice to announce it was made by the TOCs, rightly in my opinion, so that people can plan.

Im unsure what is disrespectful, and I'm a little puzzled by people who seem to be saying that you must mourn the queen's passing and do nothing until after, regardless of your own feelings on the matter.

 

[yorkie]

I believe it would be you...

My observations are entirely true and accurate; is there any part of them you disagree with?

I suppose for me I see it as very releavent. The union pulls the industrial action to make sure people can get to the funeral and that's been done. I don't see that anything further is required, and sending in the strike notification to TOCs as legally required is just administrative process. The choice to announce it was made by the TOCs, rightly in my opinion, so that people can plan.

Im unsure what is disrespectful, and I'm a little puzzled by people who seem to be saying that you must mourn the queen's passing and do nothing until after, regardless of your own feelings on the matter.

Who is saying that, where, and when?

 

[the sniper]

I know many railway workers who want to work and are not keen to strike; do you support those who are keen to work to be able to do so?

Do they equally desire to accept long term pay freezes and/or massive real terms pay loses, under the only circumstances you see acceptable, whereby nobody ever carries out industrial action?

I am sure the Unions did this very deliberately, knowing full well it would put some staff in a difficult position.

I think it's best to stay rational under the circumstances.

 

[dk1]

Would you argue the same is not true of (say) drivers or guards?

Also we must not lose sight of what the railway exists for; at the end of the day it exists to transport people (and, beyond the scope of this thread, freight).


Indeed Unions that are against the general public are not going to be popular, not that they want to be popular!

Both sides are hardly likely to agree. It is what it is.

 

[yorkie]

Do they equally desire to accept long term pay freezes and/or massive real terms pay loses, under the only circumstances you see acceptable, whereby nobody ever carries out industrial action?

At the end of the day you can come up with whatever fancy words you like to justify it, but the general public are predominantly not going to support this strike action, regardless of how you try to word it.

Both sides are hardly likely to agree. It is what it is.

Exactly, but an industry that treats its customers badly is not going to do well (or as well as it otherwise would!), and ultimately that is not good for the industry's prospects.

 

[TheEdge]

My observations are entirely true and accurate; is there any part of them you disagree with?

That train crew as a whole don't do anything proactive? Feels like bashing rail workers...

And also don't inflate your importance here, they are your anecdotal observations as one person, they are for sure not accurate and true for the entire network.

 

[dk1]

I think it's best to stay rational under the circumstances.

Always remain rational.