I did think about those older /1s with those high clusters, but I have never been on board on I don't think so I left them out
Ah, here is the link to the video:
These returned immediately after 455 withdrawal
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A lesson never learnt by Southern/GTR. They probably think they’re saving money by using the astroturf, but if you have to replace it twice as often then it’s a false economy.
I agree, and what is more ridiculously stupid, is that Southern must be well aware of this, and they won't replace material in full, nor do the bare minimum and at least purchase new seat coverings of the same material. The video suggests that all Southern have done, is washed them, evidenced by the scruffy way they've been put back on the seats.
This thread has had multiple different discussion points, what do you think is fine? The headrests? They certainly aren't! At least in the 166s' refurbishment, they will get NEW seat covers, not dirty old ones...
I agree, and they are probably not going to replace the next time around. Should've jumped at the chance to replace it whilst they had the chance. There is also going to be a point where half the train needs another refresh and the other doesn't.
It appears, from the video, that the seat coverings haven't been replaced and they don't wear out that easily nor quickly.
On which class sorry? 377 or 375? 375/9 has 3+2 seating throughout.
Not anymore it doesn’t
Your missing class 379s as this thread should also include them
I intentionally did this, they aren’t in service anymore, therefore no one knows really their current state and they currently aren’t susceptible to wear. Anyone can talk about them, I just left the off the list for reasons stated above, the whole thread is about Electrostars’ ages and wear so you can talk about any one of them!
GWR too. I still despise the stuff! But I suppose it's better (just) than the utterly dire flat cloth they decided to use in 166205 & LA15.
To be fair, I’d rather sit in this flat cloth than a sandpaper seat that I feel really grubby just sitting in it.
And it makes a world of difference from the flat cloth on the Sophias too.
Not if you saw the state LA15 got into fairly quickly. It was utterly rancid. Sometimes the railway loves to re-invent the wheel for no good reason at all - there really was nothing wrong with Moquette!
That’s horrible. Some 450s have 1 in 3 seats in that state.
Buzzing sound? Are you sure that just isn't the train as a whole, as the 377s make this distinct noise, I can't describe it very well, but it is like a high pitched buzz?
I have to agree. Whilst it’s probably down to effective maintenance, the Electrostars are remarkable for failing to show their age anywhere near as much as some others.
I think its the lights that make this sharp buzzing noise on the Southeastern ones. Your right it is kinda high pitched but its weird that some electrostars are near silent during running and then some have this loud buzzing noise that sounds like a robotic interpretation of a mosquito (excuse the dumb metaphor).
It appears it is the same as some other trains as well, again down to effective maintenance, the 444s and 450s don't show their age as much either, and they are of similar age to some Classes of the Electrostar.
450s are brilliant units on SWR, Been on them a couple of times but they are clean, comfortable enough for 2 hour journeys, and have modern facilities such as plug sockets. Can definitely say they are well looked after.
377120 to 377139, specified by Connex, have high density seating in the middle of all four carriages and low density at each carriage end.
