A nice livery?

[Xenophon PCDGS]

People graffiti things for various reasons. If you are suggesting that the colourful livery has attracted their attention and encouraged them to vandalise the train then are you suggesting that a bland liveried train never gets graffitied?

I am saying that Jackdaws are attracted by bright shiny colours and these morons seem to have the same mental capacity as a Jackdaw, so draw your own conclusions from this.

One of the new bright yellow Metrolink entrances (not even yet opened) on the new South Manchester line has attracted graffiti already, according to Skyscraper City.

 

[WatcherZero]

Large surfaces of plain colour attract graffitti, people look at them and think blank canvas. Its why murals and other artworks are encouraged. Northerns been experimenting with two vinyl wraps of the interior of its toilets with landscape views (I think ones a viaduct surrounded by green hills and the others a field of flowers) to see if it prevents graffiti inside. They actually look pretty good and the viaduct one in particular makes the toilet less claustrophobic.

 

[valenta]

Large surfaces of plain colour attract graffitti, people look at them and think blank canvas.QUOTE]

Probably why the T+W metro were, and still are, subjected to so much, not a huge contrast in colour!!!

 

[tbtc]

Large surfaces of plain colour attract graffitti, people look at them and think blank canvas. Its why murals and other artworks are encouraged

Exactly.

A plain dark colour is much more likely to attract graffito

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Exactly.

A plain dark colour is much more likely to attract graffito

I am not disagreeing with you, but can I also draw your attention to posting # 6 on this thread on 21st June, to see what Paul 10 had to say on the matter.

 

[Paul_10]

I very much doubt that taggers say and think, well lets wait and see if the pop train turns up here and if it does we will vandalise it and if it doesnt then we will not be doing any tagging tonight, they will tag the first train they see for various reasons. The most likely place this occurs is probably St James' Metro but whereever it occurs, surely CCTV should be able to spot these people and intervene but I guess thats another subject.

All of the trains will be going for refurbishment in the next 5 years anyways but lets hope whatever paint is applied, it does not smudge by the stuff to remove any Graffiti with.

 

[tbtc]

I am not disagreeing with you, but can I also draw your attention to posting # 6 on this thread on 21st June, to see what Paul 10 had to say on the matter.

Yes, Paul stated that one had been vandalised.

You, however, claimed that this was because the colourful livery attracted graffiti (given the amount of grey concrete that gets graffitid, its obvious that the idiots who do this will do it to anything and aren't attracted to only target colourful things).

Lets face it, nobody knows the exact thought process of whoever did this, but the kind of people who do this will paint on *anything* (not just colourful things)

 

[142094]

One of the main reasons that people tag trains is for exposure - having your 'art' travelling around all the time and in full view of 000's of people every day is why the New York Subway was heavily tagged in the 70s. With better cleaning techniques, vandals have resorted to other means such as scratchitti.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

With better cleaning techniques, vandals have resorted to other means such as scratchitti.

The vandals who do this in the Cheshire East area proudly refer to this as "Dutch Etching" for some unfathomable reasoning, so I am informed.

 

[sprinterguy]

There was a livery once around 10 years back which was perhaps the most boring livery ever, it was a plain grey livery with a vinyl on the side saying, to advertise on Metro contact this number or something. I believe it was unit 4055 that carried this before it got outshopped in its EU colours.

4049 livery has been on for around 11 years now(It got outshopped into that livery during its mid-life refurbishment) yet the vinyl/paintwork is not smudged(some of the vinyl is slightly faded but you expect that). That suggest to me they either changed the type of paint/vinyl to relivery the trains or they are using different graffti removal stuff because another more recent Livery(The Tyne & Wear council one with the faces on) was faded so badly they decided to remove the "faces" vinyl on one side and I've notice the other side has been smudged also.

4055 was vinyled in full GNER livery (complete with crests!) prior to it carrying the EU colours, but it may have been the unit carrying the silver-grey livery before that.

As for 4049 I'm quite pleased that that unit has retained its' advertising livery for so long, as it is one of the last that harks back to my younger days, although I am less than pleased with the way those abominable bright yellow doors break up the formerly classy navy blue and gold scheme. Gold doors would have been much more suitable.
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Like the Virgin doors? Contrasting stripes suit the Virgin livery better than a "solid block" of one colour.

That's the sort of thing I'm getting at: For a start, even if TW Metro aren't willing to be more adventurous with their treatment of passenger doors: The Metro previously used a yellow triangle which encased the TW Metro "M" logo in the centre on the lower portion of the doors on the standard livery style introduced at the mid-life refurbishment; Therefore, with the new revised overall yellow covering of the doors to make them DDA compliant, they have a roughly square area of warning yellow: So why not put a door height "M" logo over each of the passenger doors, to help enforce the identity of the Tyne and Wear Metro?

Or even better, in 2002 Metrocar 4002 was turned out in a pleasant orange and black colour scheme advertising the TW Metro website (Or something similar) that utilises a number of angled bands of colour: Why not adopt that as thebasis for a new standard livery and use a wide angled black band (facing away from the cab ends towards the centre of each Metrocar) to mark out the doors?