67001

[Smudger105e]

Has been repainted into Arriva Blue at Toton, no decals added as yet.

 

[jones_bangor]

Has been repainted into Arriva Blue at Toton, no decals added as yet.

Fantastic. Looking forward to seeing / riding behind these.

 

[TDK]

Fantastic. Looking forward to seeing / riding behind these.

Did you not ride behind 67's when WSMR were in operation? I really cannot see what the difference is except they turn right at Shrewsbury instead of left, a 67 is a 67 no matter what colour it is!

 

[Arriva158]

Very true, if any engine/external mods (lights etc) had happened it would be something worth looking out for but it's just another skip... which will be boring the pants off people before long once they realised the froth has worn off.

 

[sprinterguy]

Did you not ride behind 67's when WSMR were in operation? I really cannot see what the difference is except they turn right at Shrewsbury instead of left, a 67 is a 67 no matter what colour it is!

The only section of route covered by W&S operations that will be duplicated by the 67s on the WAG Express will be the relatively short stretch between Wrexham and Shrewsbury; in other areas, loco-hauled services have been in short supply beyond the WAG Express operation, so its' easy to see why there would be some froth over developments involving Wales' only regular loco hauled passenger service.

Also, to many enthusiasts, any 67 isn't just another 67, though I personally don't go to that depth of detail and one class member is very much like another in my eyes.

 

[jones_bangor]

Did you not ride behind 67's when WSMR were in operation? I really cannot see what the difference is except they turn right at Shrewsbury instead of left, a 67 is a 67 no matter what colour it is!

No, I never used WSMR, seen their trains go through Wolverhampton a few times, and passed at speed between Wrexham and Shrewsbury / Birmingham.

 

[DB Driver029]

Has been repainted into Arriva Blue at Toton, no decals added as yet.

There seems to be a problem that prevents the Arriva Logos being applied........... the uneven shape of the Loco sides!

 

[fgwrich]

There seems to be a problem that prevents the Arriva Logos being applied........... the uneven shape of the Loco sides!

To be honest, and in my person opinion, an Arriva branded 67 isnt going to be the best looking 67 livery around - Partly because of the ripped bodysides, but also if Arriva continue with the big swooping curves towards each end of the loco - It works on the 57s because they are squarer...and don't have a whacking great big Rad grill at the end, with 2 bodyside grills on either end on the other side...

Let's just say, its going to be interesting...

 

[Hydro]

Saw 003 in Warrington Arpley yesterday, looking smart. Just needs a few double arrows to set it off...

 

[DB Driver029]

Saw 003 in Warrington Arpley yesterday, looking smart. Just needs a few double arrows to set it off...

Allocated to Warrington............ at the moment.
Worked 67003 on the return 6F08 16.17 Derby (Sinfin) to Arpley on Thursday afternoon. Looked quiet good with 8 Green TEAs in tow.

Dont suppose anyone has any Photos to post, quiet a number of Photographers about between Derby to Crewe?

 

[fgwrich]

Haven't seen many photos of 003 around yet, but theres this over on the Railway Herald

http://railwayherald.co.uk/imaging.centre/showimage.php?image=208607

 

[Schnellzug]

To be honest, and in my person opinion, an Arriva branded 67 isnt going to be the best looking 67 livery around - Partly because of the ripped bodysides, but also if Arriva continue with the big swooping curves towards each end of the loco - It works on the 57s because they are squarer...and don't have a whacking great big Rad grill at the end, with 2 bodyside grills on either end on the other side...

Let's just say, its going to be interesting...

I think they ought to just keep it as it is. Simple one-colour liveries always work best; look at FGW's HST power cars.

** Incidentally, ' the best looking 67 around' would make an interesting competition. kind of like 'the most honest Prime Minister'.

 

[DB Driver029]

Haven't seen many photos of 003 around yet, but theres this over on the Railway Herald

Thanks for posting! This is the outward Loads.
I ll have a search for the return....... someone will have posted somewhere!

 

[jones_bangor]

I think they ought to just keep it as it is. Simple one-colour liveries always work best; look at FGW's HST power cars.

I agree. The 67 looks good as it is - the coaches are liveried anyway, so why bother? Presumably they'd have to cut the decals to get them over the ribs anyway?

One of the WG Express 57s already has this plain livery and looks good as it is.

 

[TDK]

There seems to be a problem that prevents the Arriva Logos being applied........... the uneven shape of the Loco sides!

Maybe the vinyls won't be attached so the 67's can be swapped with the Chiltern ones without the compaines logo being plastered everywhere, it won't be long before a blue loco is on the Chiltern Main line when the mods for the GSM/R have to be done.

 

[SprinterMan]

I agree. The 67 looks good as it is - the coaches are liveried anyway, so why bother? Presumably they'd have to cut the decals to get them over the ribs anyway?

One of the WG Express 57s already has this plain livery and looks good as it is.

Of the 4 ATW 57s, 57313 and 57316 are in the same state as 67001 and 67003, while 57314 and 57315 are in full branded ATW livery. Has their been any word as to wether the 67s will be replacing the 57s or in addition to the 57s yet?

 

[jones_bangor]

Of the 4 ATW 57s, 57313 and 57316 are in the same state as 67001 and 67003, while 57314 and 57315 are in full branded ATW livery. Has their been any word as to wether the 67s will be replacing the 57s or in addition to the 57s yet?

I think that Arriva were told in no uncertain terms to stop messing about and that Gerald was to be loco-hauled Premier grade service via Wrexham after December, so there is no option but the 67s.

Presumably with DVTs, but could they be top-and-tail 67s?

 

[Schnellzug]

I think that Arriva were told in no uncertain terms to stop messing about and that Gerald was to be loco-hauled Premier grade service via Wrexham after December, so there is no option but the 67s.

Presumably with DVTs, but could they be top-and-tail 67s?

if only we had some more Politicians who took such a hands-on interest in waht's hauling the trains ... Richard Hammond: "No Voyagers! I want a 57, dammit!"

*Or is it Philip

 

[anthony263]

I suppose it could be top & tail 67's to start. I dont think the DVT can work push pull with MK2 carriages. ATW were supposed to get some refurbished MK3's

Pity Chiltern wont get back at least 4 Mk3 rakes in mainlien livery, if they did, any chance that the mix & match Mk3 set could possibly find its way to ATW after a brief
re-paint?

 

[Schnellzug]

** Incidentally, did you know that the Counsel General of the Welsh Assembly is Theodore Huckle? no, i'm not sure what a Counsel General is, but you must admit it's a top name.
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I suppose it could be top & tail 67's to start. I dont think the DVT can work push pull with MK2 carriages. ATW were supposed to get some refurbished MK3's

They did do in the old days with Virgin. I think it's just to do with the cables. To work with the 67s, the coaches would need to be equipped with through cables in any case, I presume.

 

[DB Driver029]

Only Class 67s being painted in Arriva colours are fitted with Remote Fire System.This makes DVT operation most likely!

 

[jones_bangor]

Only Class 67s being painted in Arriva colours are fitted with Remote Fire System.This makes DVT operation most likely!

Plenty of room for Arriva decals on a DVT!!

 

[TDK]

I think that Arriva were told in no uncertain terms to stop messing about and that Gerald was to be loco-hauled Premier grade service via Wrexham after December, so there is no option but the 67s.

Presumably with DVTs, but could they be top-and-tail 67s?

If that was the case surely they would have top and tailed the 57's for that purpose and not bothered with the 67's at all, it is cost on track access I thinks!!!!

 

[jones_bangor]

If that was the case surely they would have top and tailed the 57's for that purpose and not bothered with the 67's at all, it is cost on track access I thinks!!!!

I thought there was an issue with 57s needing a long time to start up + fire suppression issues, so they had to be towed dead?

But I'm sure it will be 67 + DVT operation.

 

[fgwrich]

I think they ought to just keep it as it is. Simple one-colour liveries always work best; look at FGW's HST power cars.

Oh i agree! First Great Western really have hit the nail on the head with the HSTs - It's simplicity, and almost BR esque with the power cars in blue, and the Mk3s largely the same but with the added addition of the Dynamic Lines...So a id prefer to see an almost BR Blue 67 tnt a rake of WAG / ATW mk2s...

As for the Arriva 67 - Hopefully, as you say TDK they will remain in plain almost BR blue...though im not as keen of the thaught of seeing an Arriva 67 on the front of a Chiltern Railways service...but such is life!

 

[DarloRich]

** Incidentally, did you know that the Counsel General of the Welsh Assembly is Theodore Huckle? no, i'm not sure what a Counsel General is, but you must admit it's a top name.
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They did do in the old days with Virgin. I think it's just to do with the cables. To work with the 67s, the coaches would need to be equipped with through cables in any case, I presume.

The Counsel General for Wales advises the Welsh Government on Welsh legislative matters and advises on legislative competency


I agree with Hydro - get some double arrows on it.

 

[whhistle]

Almost has a British Rail look in that picture.
Perhaps one for Fictitious Liveries?

 

[TDK]

I thought there was an issue with 57s needing a long time to start up + fire suppression issues, so they had to be towed dead?

But I'm sure it will be 67 + DVT operation.

67's have to be towed dead as well with batteries isolated, well they did when we top and tailed them with WSMR. I am sure you are right with the 67/DVT failing that it will be an ATW 175 hired to ATW from ATW at the taxpayers cost

 

[jones_bangor]

67's have to be towed dead as well with batteries isolated, well they did when we top and tailed them with WSMR. I am sure you are right with the 67/DVT failing that it will be an ATW 175 hired to ATW from ATW at the taxpayers cost

It will be a 67, no more 175, Arriva know that for sure, and via Wrexham

 

[33056]

Almost has a British Rail look in that picture.
Perhaps one for Fictitious Liveries?

Reminds me of a discussion I had with a colleague a few weeks ago; he remarked that he had seen a "BR Blue" 57 knocking round our area - I told him it was actually "Arriva turquoise" but he maintained it was BR blue!!!

(We agreed to disagree )