455 fire West Croydon

[wls1]

Just seen this on twitter,
https://twitter.com/southlondonyido/status/836227696963235841

Fire at West Croydon station. Talk about overkill, unbelievable

Any more info?

 

[Dhassell]

Just me or does that look like where the PIS is?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Could that be the cupboard where all the fuses and circuit breakers are?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L71135/2017/02/27/advanced

Could this be the train involved?

 

[GW43125]

Anyone got marshmallows? :P

 

[WatcherZero]

Two fire brigade teams recieved a call to attend a fire on a stationary train at West Croydon platform 3 which had been previously evacuated at 2.34pm and suceeded in extinguishing it at 3.03pm. Disruption expected to continue till 5.30, at this time cause of fire is not known.

 

[Southern Dvr]

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L71135/2017/02/27/advanced

Could this be the train involved?

Confirmed 2R69.

Fire appears to be in the control cupboard from what i can tell.

 

[FOH]

Two fire brigade teams recieved a call to attend a fire on a stationary train at West Croydon platform 3 which had been previously evacuated at 2.34pm and suceeded in extinguishing it at 3.03pm. Disruption expected to continue till 5.30, at this time cause of fire is not known.

both the 1906 and 1920 from London Bridge were non-stopping at Forest Hill tonight. No announcements at London Bridge to suggest taking the first possible train and certainly no mention of an earlier fire causing disruption.

 

[sarahj]

The big issue was they had to turn of the power, and that section includes Norwood Junction, so thats nothing in and out of London Bridge. Doh!!!

 

[Joe Paxton]

The big issue was they had to turn of the power, and that section includes Norwood Junction, so thats nothing in and out of London Bridge. Doh!!!

Also affected the London Overground East London Line service.

 

[Busaholic]

Also affected the London Overground East London Line service.

Everything diverted to the Palace as usual?

 

[tsr]

Confirmed 2R69.

Fire appears to be in the control cupboard from what i can tell.

Yep. Not heard anything else about a more exact location within the cupboard, or any official detail about the cause. Someone on Twitter, claiming to have been a passenger, said that it was making a horrible smell for some time beforehand, suggesting a fire was building up behind the panels.

The big issue was they had to turn of the power, and that section includes Norwood Junction, so thats nothing in and out of London Bridge. Doh!!!

Also no Thameslink services on any Northbound route via Norwood Junction (TL Programme take note!), including one which got stuck for a substantial part of an hour. All diverted via Streatham Common - well, those which could get through the congestion caused by everything being held around East Croydon!

Also affected the London Overground East London Line service.

Everything diverted to the Palace as usual?

Half of the West Croydon services were - the rest terminated at New Cross Gate.

 

[BestWestern]

Yep. Not heard anything else about a more exact location within the cupboard, or any official detail about the cause. Someone on Twitter, claiming to have been a passenger, said that it was making a horrible smell for some time beforehand, suggesting a fire was building up behind the panels.

During which time, presumably, everyone sat there and did nothing! :roll:

 

[Kite159]

Looking at a picture still, am I right in thinking the unit in question was 455845, with the fire in coach 62753?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Yep. Not heard anything else about a more exact location within the cupboard, or any official detail about the cause. Someone on Twitter, claiming to have been a passenger, said that it was making a horrible smell for some time beforehand, suggesting a fire was building up behind the panels.

Could the smell have been a result of something in the control cupboard slowly overheating?

 

[WatcherZero]

Smouldering insulation?

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Smouldering insulation?

Will the wiring likely be the original wiring that was in place when they were built?

 

[wingsoveryorks]

I had an electrical fire on mine once. It didn't burst into flames, but it was a close run thing.

Monitor, move people away, get into the nearest station, get people off, get the driver to drop the pan and isolate, put fire out or monitor. Why did nobody do this? Mind you, Was there a guard on board who could handle the situation I wonder?

 

[physics34]

I had an electrical fire on mine once. It didn't burst into flames, but it was a close run thing.

Monitor, move people away, get into the nearest station, get people off, get the driver to drop the pan and isolate, put fire out or monitor. Why did nobody do this? Mind you, Was there a guard on board who could handle the situation I wonder?

ha ha no guard.

its really best for the fire brigade to deal with this rather than staff in this situation.

 

[Deepgreen]

I had an electrical fire on mine once. It didn't burst into flames, but it was a close run thing.

Monitor, move people away, get into the nearest station, get people off, get the driver to drop the pan and isolate, put fire out or monitor. Why did nobody do this? Mind you, Was there a guard on board who could handle the situation I wonder?

Southern 455s have no pantographs or guards. There may have been no passengers immediately next to the fire, as it was an off-peak working.

 

[wingsoveryorks]

ha ha no guard.

its really best for the fire brigade to deal with this rather than staff in this situation.

Is it hell. I could have ****ed that out as long as it was isolated. Mind you, I have heard the rumour that fire extinguishers have been removed from trains with no staff. Someone said the drunken public kept setting them off. Perhaps someone could confirm this.

You really are safer with a second member of staff.

 

[wingsoveryorks]

Southern 455s have no pantographs or guards. There may have been no passengers immediately next to the fire, as it was an off-peak working.

Pan or third rail, still need to isolate. That fire would have been out before the boys with the big hoses appeared had the staff been there. It would have been out on mine for sure.

There's no getting away from it. Better off with trained staff.

 

[Clip]

Pan or third rail, still need to isolate. That fire would have been out before the boys with the big hoses appeared had the staff been there. It would have been out on mine for sure.

There's no getting away from it. Better off with trained staff.

They still wouldve had to shut the power off - theres no getting away from that either. And these having been running with no guard for 20 odd years and theres plenty of trained staff at West Croydon

 

[Clip]

Plus I must add that the first thing about fire safety is that you should only tackle a fire if you think it is safe to do so.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Pan or third rail, still need to isolate.

Can the equipment cupboard be isolated internally or would the driver have to paddle up and tie off each shoe in turn (would just the removal of all shoe fuses be enough to properly isolate)?

 

[Sunset route]

Can the equipment cupboard be isolated internally or would the driver have to paddle up and tie off each shoe in turn (would just the removal of all shoe fuses be enough to properly isolate)?

As far I'm now aware (as a signaller) drivers are not allowed to paddle up and or remove shoe fuses, it's a job for fitters now. Maybe a driver from GTR can confirm either way?

 

[rebmcr]

As far I'm now aware (as a signaller) drivers are not allowed to paddle up and or remove shoe fuses, it's a job for fitters now. Maybe a driver from GTR can confirm either way?

Does newer stock have the capability for shoe circuit breakers to be operated from the TMS?

 

[Sunset route]

Does newer stock have the capability for shoe circuit breakers to be operated from the TMS?

I've got no idea as I'm in charge of the steering and not the stop & go bit

 

[physics34]

Is it hell. I could have ****ed that out as long as it was isolated. Mind you, I have heard the rumour that fire extinguishers have been removed from trains with no staff. Someone said the drunken public kept setting them off. Perhaps someone could confirm this.

You really are safer with a second member of staff.

there have been situations where rail staff have gone into a carriage on fire and been overcome with the smoke. i would have to assess it before just playing super hero (when no public are at risk)with a fire extinguisher.

Yep you are right about vandals letting extinguishers go. They are now in the vestible area behind the drivers cab in 455s.

 

[edwin_m]

And if it's a water extinguisher then using it on an electrical fire will make it worse.