377 fire at Eastbourne (28/11)

[Crossover]

Aha - didn't think of that! Just talk is usually of "shunters" and you kind of need one to pull the carriages apart!

 

[tsr]

Aha - didn't think of that! Just talk is usually of "shunters" and you kind of need one to pull the carriages apart!

Well, maybe, but the thing is, even with multiple units which are usually in fixed formations, that's not necessarily the case. Provided you have a driving cab available on the part of the train being moved, sufficient brake force, traction power and compressor availability, you may be able to move some if not all parts of the train around, though you might need to isolate some safety systems to do so. So one might expect shunters to mean locomotives, but in this context it could be more likely to mean people who are qualified to carry out the movements once authorised.

 

[trainmania100]

ROG sector 07 path now in for light locomotive movement to eastbourne tuesday night.

 

[zuriblue]

Anything above 230v AFAIK.

Nope, above 1kV to about 35-38 kV is Medium Voltage, above that is High Voltage.

It depends on which standard you use. The outfit I work for uses 35 kV.

 

[trainmania100]

37884 and 37800 quoted to work tonights Wembley to Eastbourne.

 

[Class455]

Bloody hell! That looks like a bad fire! I wonder how the carriage is going to be repaired? They might have to move it by road to Derby or haul the whole unit. I don't think they can fix that at Selhurst, unless a team arrive from bombardier to fix it. But as others have said, it would be better to form a temporary 377/3 while the damaged TOSL (i believe it is 78642) is being repaired, and just use it on Metro services.

 

[Crossover]

Nope, above 1kV to about 35-38 kV is Medium Voltage, above that is High Voltage.

It depends on which standard you use. The outfit I work for uses 35 kV.

So would the voltage trains operate at on OHLE be classed as medium voltage?

 

[RichardKing]

37884 and 37800 quoted to work tonights Wembley to Eastbourne.

It'll be working back up to Selhurst Depot with the 377 as 569L/5F87 at around 23:00 tonight.

 

[hwl]

Bloody hell! That looks like a bad fire! I wonder how the carriage is going to be repaired? They might have to move it by road to Derby or haul the whole unit. I don't think they can fix that at Selhurst, unless a team arrive from bombardier to fix it. But as others have said, it would be better to form a temporary 377/3 while the damaged TOSL (i believe it is 78642) is being repaired, and just use it on Metro services.

Fire bridge pulled down the ceiling panels rather than that being fire damages

 

[trainmania100]

It'll be working back up to Selhurst Depot with the 377 as 569L/5F87 at around 23:00 tonight.

Looks like it was cancelled as nothing showing on rtt and tops still says 37800 & 884 are on 5f87 at 7am today

 

[RichardKing]

Looks like it was cancelled as nothing showing on rtt and tops still says 37800 & 884 are on 5f87 at 7am today

They just passed through Lewes without 377442 - heading to Clapham Yard by the looks of it.

 

[trainmania100]

They just passed through Lewes without 377442 - heading to Clapham Yard by the looks of it.

Wonder what the problem was...
They were scheduled to work back to clapham yard after the drag to selhurst. Perhaps after further investigation the unit cannot be moved by rail? Maybe electrical issues resulting in inability to use the dellner couplers?

 

[RichardKing]

Wonder what the problem was...
They were scheduled to work back to clapham yard after the drag to selhurst. Perhaps after further investigation the unit cannot be moved by rail? Maybe electrical issues resulting in inability to use the dellner couplers?

I just passed the unit in Eastbourne Sidings and the only change that I noticed was that the broken window on the right has been taped up. It didn't look like they've tried to move it at all - it's still sitting at the top of road number 4.

 

[trainmania100]

I just passed the unit in Eastbourne Sidings and the only change that I noticed was that the broken window on the right has been taped up. It didn't look like they've tried to move it at all - it's still sitting at the top of road number 4.

Seems a bit far fetched to bring a pair of 37s down to tape up a window
I guess its a wait and see thing. Hopefully they come back to drag it
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
It has been brought to my attention that there is a problem relating to the connection between the 37s and the 377.

 

[RichardKing]

Seems a bit far fetched to bring a pair of 37s down to tape up a window
I guess its a wait and see thing. Hopefully they come back to drag it
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
It has been brought to my attention that there is a problem relating to the connection between the 37s and the 377.

Perhaps it was brining down some special Govia tape! I'll keep an eye on RTT for further moves.

Did they only find that out last night?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

as others have said, it would be better to form a temporary 377/3 while the damaged TOSL (i believe it is 78642) is being repaired, and just use it on Metro services.

The amount of cancellations Southern are experiencing they arent exactly short of units at the moment compared to other franchises....

 

[trainmania100]

Yes must have done. Another movement attempt is expected to take place next week. I doubt any more will happen now, theyll probably need the 37s for the 375 move on Friday night and Saturday

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Wonder what the problem was...
They were scheduled to work back to clapham yard after the drag to selhurst. Perhaps after further investigation the unit cannot be moved by rail? Maybe electrical issues resulting in inability to use the dellner couplers?

I thought that all automatic couplers could have the electrical connector retracted to just do a physical connection only. Maybe it's down to damage to something the TMS sees as a major fault and so perhaps not allowing the brakes to be released

 

[dgl]

Is there an emergency air supply connector? and if so, are there any leaks and is the air connector/valve still intact.

I suppose without a working air system and therefore brakes, the speed the consist would be limited to would mean that it would cause too much disruption to run at the speed allowed with everything but the loco's brakes disabled.

 

[RichardKing]

I suppose without a working air system and therefore brakes, the speed the consist would be limited to would mean that it would cause too much disruption to run at the speed allowed with everything but the loco's brakes disabled.

If that is the case, next Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday would be the best time to move the unit as there'll be no Southern services will be operating because of the ASLEF strike.

 

[trainmania100]

Hopefully next Wednesday because I am 'working' from home XD
By the quotation marks I mean I will ne flexible with my lunch break and take it during the period of rog operation

 

[Crossover]

If that is the case, next Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday would be the best time to move the unit as there'll be no Southern services will be operating because of the ASLEF strike.

Now that would just be taunting the poor commuters :P

 

[RichardKing]

Attempt 2:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O55392/2016/12/13/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O55396/2016/12/13/advanced / http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O55463/2016/12/14/advanced

 

[trainmania100]

Another attempt at the drag tomorrow
Please can anyone advise me if Lewes station will be open for platform access seeing as there will be no services at all?
I plan to see the drag there if it runs
Thankyou

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Another attempt at the drag tomorrow
Please can anyone advise me if Lewes station will be open for platform access seeing as there will be no services at all?
I plan to see the drag there if it runs
Thankyou

You can photograph from the footbridge just past the signal box if the station is closed.

I don't understand why it's booked to run via Lewes...

 

[trainmania100]

You can photograph from the footbridselhursast the signal box if the station is closed.

I don't understand why it's booked to run via Lewes...

Eastbourne to selhurst via lewes is quicker than Eastbourne to selhurst via Hastings reversal
Thankyou I will look at Lewes as I want to get the rhtt too

 

[RichardKing]

After venturing into the sidings, 377442's rescuer is now sitting in Eastbourne, platform 1, with red signals on all lines (obviously, no trains running today/tomorrow because of the strikes).
This probably means that the move will be tomorrow afternoon (according to RTT, at midday).

 

[causton]

You can photograph from the footbridge just past the signal box if the station is closed.

I don't understand why it's booked to run via Lewes...

Which other way would you run it?

I would have thought that would be the natural way to run it, and nothing else will be operating along much of that route, so why not?

 

[alb1]

If anyone was planning on watching proceedings from midday, RTT suggests things have started earlier than originally planned.

 

[RichardKing]

If anyone was planning on watching proceedings from midday, RTT suggests things have started earlier than originally planned.

It's currently in the Glynde area.
I assume there is quite a limited speed at which it can be moved at - it's appears to be taking a lot longer than usual to get from Polegate to Southerham Junction!