Found from another post: https://twitter.com/lukejalexander/status/811670608463482881
Looks like the fateful carriage is making its way..... somewhere?
Looks like the fateful carriage is making its way..... somewhere?
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377 fire at Eastbourne (28/11)
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More likely as just "beyond economic repair" with a lot of internal fixtures and fitting needing replacement rather than structural damage.
The firm that made some of the original interior parts went under about 6 years ago so any replacement interior parts would end up matching those on the 377/6 /7 and 387s. Hence my suspicion is that it has been sent back to Bombardier for an opinion to see if they can fit a new interior and wiring loom. etc. as a bit of design input may be needed.
Saw this when walking up south norwood hill to the pub last night. And again when we got up to there. Very amusing
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I suppose they could build one, based on the 377/6, but it would be remarkably different than the rest of the train, unless they somehow fit the exact same seats into it.
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But it's the inside that counts. Doesn't really matter if there's any signs of external damage (is that the right side or end?) if the wiring looms are damaged and melted, the seats are melted, the interior panels and walls and so on. There wasn't any signs of external damage to the LM 350 which also had a fire in one of the toilets but that didn't stop it requiring the toilet area rebuilt. It's fate will depend on both the extent of the damage to the subframe work and ultimately the cost of the repairs.
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The opposite side of the carriage had a cracked window which is taped up.
It'll maybe some need new buttons. Given how long Bombardier took to fix them on the 379s and elsewhere, the ROSCO may just give up and write the whole thing off to save time.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/matthewbaxterrailways/31953106956/
377 442 is now 377 342, with 78842 (the damaged coach) beyond repair.
377 442 is now 377 342, with 78842 (the damaged coach) beyond repair.
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How do you know the damaged coach is beyond repair? I doubt it has even been looked at yet.
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Click on the link and scroll down to the image description.
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Had Bombardier still had Electrostars as a product would it have still been beyond economic repair? Presumably too much structural damage occurred as a result of the fire
I don't think that a Flickr image description can be taken as absolute proof of something happening..
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Do you believe everything that's written on the web?
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Well, seeing as the photo was taken from inside the depot I assumed that the person behind the camera is a rail worker armed with inside knowledge...however, I guess I should've waited for an official confirmation prior to jumping to conclusions.
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I'd suggest the guy that uploaded that image is a bit ahead of himself...
If one carriage were to be scrapped, you would most likely find a corner of Selhurst Depot to do it at and save the cost of transporting a rail vehicle to a specialist repair location. There are plenty of fire-damaged vehicles that have come back from their damage after a long time away. As an example, carriage 58117 of unit 166217 was out of use for a year during 2003 after arson damage yet got repaired. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/vandals-set-fire-to-moving-train-137567.html
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Where it gets scrapped, if it does get scrapped will probably be decided by the leasing company
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True, but if everything above is correct:
- wouldn't it go to a scrapyard rather than a works.
- if all re-usable spares have been removed why does it still have its bogies.
- for a fully stripped vehicle it has been done remarkably quickly.
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Unless the Flickr photo has been 'photoshopped' then the unit now carries number 377342 (my, and Southern's, bold type!) - a three car unit. Even if this is temporary, it looks as though it will be running in service in this guise.
Was the coach that was infamously removed by road a couple of weeks ago the fire-damaged one?
Yes. I expect an extensive analysis into the causes given the number of identical hand driers in use to see if there is a design issue and if so who's insurers will be paying up for the loss or repair (and modifications to others in service). One of the firms that made the interior went bust a while ago so replacement parts if it is repaired are likely to be 387 interior which may take a bit more work.
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Expect those in the know to avoid that coach if repaired and the seats are 387-style too!
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I would expect the unit to be used only on Metro and East Grinstead services until it is returned to 4 carriages
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Not necessarily. 3 coach 377s turn up in all sorts of places. Horsham is another possible place, for example.
It still has the accessible toilet in the TSOL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiE3nPWxxxI
A video showing 377 342 paired up with 377 317 working a service from Tattenham Corner to Victoria this evening.
Having a standard class section (what previously was first class) separated by a sliding door must cause some confusion, although, as it's on a Metro service, people would be sitting in first class regardless.
A video showing 377 342 paired up with 377 317 working a service from Tattenham Corner to Victoria this evening.
Having a standard class section (what previously was first class) separated by a sliding door must cause some confusion, although, as it's on a Metro service, people would be sitting in first class regardless.
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