It was an Eversholt 'thing' nothing to do with First Group.
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It was an Eversholt 'thing' nothing to do with First Group.
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dubscottie
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I just wondered as First had a prototype refurb at swindon as part of their re-bid for the GW franchise. The leather seats and purple walls just screams First Group!!
Reminds me of the interiors of the 158's in Taiwan!
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transmanche
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Hence why this seems to be a completely different system...
And perhaps will experience the same sort of technical problems as XC's?
Paper tickets do the job well enough IMO.
dubscottie
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Never done it in the UK yet did in Ireland last weekend booked seats in the name of Fr Ted Crilly!
At least 20 people took pics of the little screen between Dublin and Sligo! Have to put surname as first name etc for it to come up right!
transmanche
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Yeah, one system isn't a very good implementation - so let's not bother trying to improve it eh?
If it's got a traffic light system, then it'll be better than paper labels - as you'll be able to see from a long way off whether a seat is available or not.
MattRobinson
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Another vote for those seats looking awful. Especially standard class. Seems like a ploy to get more people to travel business class or first class. /cynic.
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I'm still mixed about them, probably the only way to see if they actually are that comfortable is to see them in person. Might be suitible for something like Thameslink though.
tbtc
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Was there a square of black dirt on the train window adjacent to your seat?
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JHC those seats look awful. 
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starrymarkb
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Doesn't one of the ROSCOs have similar house colours. Who owns the Mk4 sets?
And the Business Class seating looks rather like FGW Standard
As above it's Eversholt who own the Mk4s (and 91s) and it is they who've made these mock ups.
starrymarkb
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Ah sorry. I hadn't kept up with the name changes...
317666
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That 'business class' seating happens to be the same as standard class seating on an ATW 158: http://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/7577568514/
Don't get me wrong, those seats are very comfortable but really should only be in standard class as they're designed to be narrow enough to fit in 2+2 seating. The current first class seats on Mk4s are a lot wider and also recline. If narrower, non-reclining seats are the sort of comfort we can expect from business class, which will no doubt have a hefty price tag, then I don't expect those standard class seats to be comfortable or anything of the sort! The seats in standard seem to be a bit low down too. Thank god it's only a mock-up!
Don't get me wrong, those seats are very comfortable but really should only be in standard class as they're designed to be narrow enough to fit in 2+2 seating. The current first class seats on Mk4s are a lot wider and also recline. If narrower, non-reclining seats are the sort of comfort we can expect from business class, which will no doubt have a hefty price tag, then I don't expect those standard class seats to be comfortable or anything of the sort! The seats in standard seem to be a bit low down too. Thank god it's only a mock-up!
Yes, I havent used the ATW ones, but I think they coud provide a good balance of Priviacy and visibility, due to the smaller headrests. But I would still be concerned there may be some claustrophobia, and they can feel quite hard.
At last the MK 4 stock is to get a decent interior upgrade,one which is urgently needed.Looking at the pictures the first,business and premier with swiveling seats look good and even standard class has a distinct ambience with good leg room.This upgrade will provide a fleet of coaches that will fit well with the new franchise and also if cascaded onto other routes .With the class 91,s also receiving a deep rebuild and an extra pantograph surely this will stop the awful IEP being foisted on the ECML .This route really needs to be upgraded and speeds raised ,why not 140mph as origonaly intended.The catenary would have to be rebuilt from the poor quality that it is now and some curves and junctions rebuilt.If this was carried out the ECML would also obiviate the need for HS2 ,although thats another story!
AndyLandy
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Given that nobody has yet seen an IEP, how can you know it will be awful?
...and implementation of in-cab signalling on all stock running on the line, and probably moving block too. Personally, I'm skeptical that we'll see anything other than HSx lines faster than 125mph for quite some time.
The Mallard refurbishment wasn't 'decent'?
Seeing as the initial batch of IEP is intended to replace only the HSTs I'm not sure how this can stop IEP on the ECML?
sprinterguy
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The Mallard refurbishment interiors are still relatively new and in my experience are always clean. In my opinion there is no way that the Mallard refurbishment can be improved upon.
140mph running would require the installtion of in-cab signalling, would reduce the number of paths available for local, commuter and freight trains and would only cut the London to Edinburgh journey time by little more than ten minutes(I can't remember the exact figure) compared to the fastest time possible in regular service at 125mph.
Despite the fact that HS2 is being built primarily to relieve demand on the southern stretch of the West Coast main line, will eventually serve both East and West Coast destinations, and without building considerable stretches of new alignment on the ECML increasing line speeds on the route would only serve to reduce the capacity of the ECML?
DaveNewcastle
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Eh?
Maybe some carpets are getting beyond just another clean and a few tables are damaged, but the interior is more than acceptable (esp when compared to many other types) and I can only think that a real 'upgrade' is necessary to the layout of the toilets' hand-wash, soap dispenser, towel dispenser and bin.
Quite!
DarloRich
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Given that nobody has yet seen an IEP, how can you know it will be awful?
Past performance? Having a brain? feeling in my bones? It WILL be terrible to ride on as a passenger.
I think the Mallard refurb is one of the best. I have no problems with it. It is very good and comfortable.
As for the rest :roll: Have we the cash to rebuild the entire ECML?
sprinterguy
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Past performance based on what? The nearest precedent that we have in this country for a high speed train made by Hitachi is the class 395, which I think are very good trains. Yet still, how can you have "past performance" from a product that has not yet been built?
starrymarkb
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I'd prefer different seats in the Mallard, really can't get comfortable in them..
I think somebody is having a joke here! My god,what awful seats (if you can even call them seats)! The standard class ones look like bus seats with leather. We have buses up here in the Midlands called 'Black Diamonds', this is pretty similar to what they look like inside...in fact worse! Are they really considering this, it must be a joke?!!
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They're fairly comfortable,not great...but these?!
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43074
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A concept animation of the Mark 4 rebuild, showing the galley in the DVT as well as the buisness class, first class, standard class and premier class.
http://www.eversholtrail.co.uk/MKIV.html
Looks O.K. in my opinion, but not great. Hopefully the seats can be more aligned to the windows though. And as for premier class... It is totally unnecessary and a complete waste of space.
http://www.eversholtrail.co.uk/MKIV.html
Looks O.K. in my opinion, but not great. Hopefully the seats can be more aligned to the windows though. And as for premier class... It is totally unnecessary and a complete waste of space.
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Premier class? What is that supposed to be? (Like I know what it is, but who is it marketed for, and is it the best used of capacity. Same thing as with business class.
The first class seats look good, but If there is any +2 airline seats they might be claustrophobic. Unfortunately there does seem to be an obsession with Privacy, even in first class, where it is not needed in (what is supposed to be) spacious first class.
The first class seats look good, but If there is any +2 airline seats they might be claustrophobic. Unfortunately there does seem to be an obsession with Privacy, even in first class, where it is not needed in (what is supposed to be) spacious first class.
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43074
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It's clearly aimed at the fat cats who run our society, and those millionaires prepared to put their money where their mouth is. Consisting of 1+1 seating that reclines and swivels to suit your preferred direction of travel, it is amongst the poorest use of capacity possible. No tables though, making it absolutely pointless IMO :roll: .
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