222102

[Donny Dave]

Reportedly on fire at Stevenage (from Anglia gen)

 

[djw1981]

That HT HST might be needed after all....

 

[Pathfinder]

That HT HST might be needed after all....

Better go on bended knee to Arriva for it "please sir,can we have our train back" {yes i know,it wasnt Hull Trains to begin with}

 

[adambro]

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_bulletins/5118e6040a04000200a645cab6faef6c.html

Train services are being disrupted in the Stevenage area due to emergency services dealing with an incident.

Train services are currently at a stand within the area.

There is currently no estimate for a normal service to resume.

London Underground, Midland Mainline and One Railway are accepting First Capital Connect tickets

 

[Donny Dave]

More details in ....

1A96 Hull-KX. ECML closed at Stevenage. Ta Hellooldchap.

 

[djw1981]

Or in the short term go the Gc way and just hire charter train...Given that the main issue seemed to be to do with maintenance and the timing of major exams - an issue which can only be worse with 3 trains having done significantly more miles than the other one, i guess they could hire a charter train to cover the maintenance period only.

 

[theblackwatch]

That HT HST might be needed after all....

Or the 'Plastic Pig'!

 

[djw1981]

The issue surely will be compounded because the set was recovered by the southbound HT Meridian., so there is no unit at the London end. The solution may just be to get / ask GNER to accept the tickets - GNER could have hired an HST set, except it is on summer Saturday duties with VXC!

 

[Tom B]

Hmm - as I understand it, they need to get another unit by tomorrow morning - is this possible? Or will they be cancelling trains and annoying a *lot* of passengers? Better be sorted by Monday, I'm traveling on HT and would be rather unhappy to say the least if they expected me to wait near enough 2 hours for the next train to my destination.

 

[Techniquest]

*Celebrates with a flail*

That'll teach them for ordering inferior stock...

 

[djw1981]

I would imagine if it is canceled you could be within your rights to phone them and demand they change your ticket to allow GNER travel, at their cost - much nicer trains IMO!!

 

[yorkie]

Can they use the undamaged vehicles from 222103 to be combined into one working set?

Oh and according to Tony Miles on uk.railway, "the two damaged vehicles from 222103 cannot be repaired and new ones are to be constructed at Bruges. Delivery in 18-24 months! "

If they can cobble the parts together they may be able to manage, but even then 2 years at 100% availability requirement is going to stretch the fleet a bit...
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I would imagine if it is canceled you could be within your rights to phone them and demand they change your ticket to allow GNER travel, at their cost - much nicer trains IMO!!

No need to 'phone them, GNER/Northern have to convey HT pax in such circumstances. And vice-versa, although it's nearly always GNER bailing HT out. I would imagine GNER would get some compensation for this.

 

[westcoaster]

surely mml can come to the rescue if only to loan a unit or two at the weekend, to cover for short falls or mainitance.

 

[Tom B]

Yes, but when you rely on getting a HT service between as the next GNER one is in 2 hours time, which would then mean you have to get a later connection - I'd end up at work at 10.30am rather than 08.45am that I would otherwise.

 

[westcoaster]

looks like the 0934 out of kx is canx

http://www.livedepartureboards.co.uk/ldb/train.aspx?C=GRA&T=GTHM++++&J=681684&Y=D&R=0&A=0

 

[Sir_Clagalot]

HT set caught fire at Stevenage, was in the Railway Herald last night. Oops.

 

[Jim]

So they need something ASAP really then, fancy a HD HST set from FGW?

 

[Sir_Clagalot]

Yeah, HT are in big trouble now they are two sets down!
Just a thought, could they combine the good bits from the damaged sets to get one good one?!

 

[Max]

Just a thought, could they combine the good bits from the damaged sets to get one good one?!

Already been mentioned

Can they use the undamaged vehicles from 222103 to be combined into one working set?

I guess it depends which coaches were damaged in the incident. Surely First could bail them out with some kind of short term HST loan? They desperately need one now!

And the last I heard, the other 222 should be repaired by Christmas. How old is that info of yours Yorkie?

 

[djw1981]

Where would first get a spare HST from? Do many HT drivers still sign HST's?

 

[Jim]

Where would first get a spare HST from? Do many HT drivers still sign HST's?

Why would they 'still sign them' when they have never used them?

 

[Tom B]

What if they transferred from another company which ran HSTs?

 

[westcoaster]

if mml gave them a meridian, and say fgw gave mml a hst there is a compromise? all depends on what is spare.

 

[devon_metro]

*Celebrates with a flail*

That'll teach them for ordering inferior stock...

How do you suggest they order some HELLFIRE Valenats and Mk3s then?

 

[Jim]

if mml gave them a meridian, and say fgw gave mml a hst there is a compromise? all depends on what is spare.

No can do, thats why we got that set, because we are short!

 

[Pathfinder]

How do you suggest they order some HELLFIRE Valenats and Mk3s then?

They could try and gazump GC and offer more money to DRS for the charter stock,and I'm being realistic this is FirstGroup,money talks my friends ! :-P

 

[16CSVT2700]

Time to cut the froth...

222102 will not be out of action for very long.. damage was confirmed as NOT SERIOUS by local MOM on scene. Under solebar area on Coach B needs checking if not already done.

HD on railchat (Hull Trains driver) reports that 222102 should be back in action by tomorrow at the earliest, maybe longer.

Julian, celebrating the collapse of a HT222 is a bit immature.. think about what the passengers must have thought, and the driver!

 

[Max]

But I like froth, it makes good coversation

Seriously though, how were we supposed to know what was happening with such limited information!

 

[16CSVT2700]

But I like froth, it makes good coversation

Seriously though, how were we supposed to know what was happening with such limited information!

Could have asked me

 

[westcoaster]

got a quick question about ht do they do lodging turns in london to cover the following
from the junction

1A97 1918 Hull-London Kings Cross "

ECS 5E66 2205 London Kings Cross-Ferme Park Sidings "

ECS 5E66 2300 Ferme Park Sidings-London Kings Cross

and the early morning return?
or do they have london based crews.