Dennis
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Thanks for the warning. I shall not vote for the Green Party in the future.
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Thanks for the warning. I shall not vote for the Green Party in the future.
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Can you imagine Labour not making a Political point about it if they had not done so ?
We are unfortunately back in 1980 where Labour simply gainsay anything that is done, even when deep down they know they would have to do the same, safe in the knowledge that their believers either don't want to know or are incapable of understanding the reality.
That is not what true Politics is at all. This the Politics of cynicism and expediency, and exactly the same as when Bliar and Brown fully support John Major's incredibly stupid decision to shadow the Dm....until the German economy crashed overnight and then suddenly Bliar and Brown were amongst the loudest critics, completely oblivious to the fact their previous support could be read from the Hansard reports :roll: :roll:
SS4
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That has been opposition policy for as long as I can remember (which, admittedly, isn't all that long) across all parties. Unfortunately nowadays it seems politicians are in it for themselves and more interest in scoring political points than in the UK or England where issues are devolved.
As for the topic in hand I think it had to be done, it wouldn't have been too long before the 2000 fuel strike recurred IMO. Also in this country there seems to be an attitude of "to stop people using something we'll make it more expensive" which, although it has it's place isn't the magic pill. Part of it has to be the attitude that the car is better than public transport. Renewables in transport is not easy, better to concentrate on fixed installations to meet emissions targets.
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I hope that's a typo, calling Blair Bliar partially undermines the legitimacy of your post, surely we're all adult enough to use people's proper names or established nicknames.
They'll do that though because, in many cases, people believe what they agree with rather than what the facts show. Not saying it's right, just it happens
They just went down by 1p this morning. Unfortunately, it'll only be a matter of weeks before they find an excuse to hike it back up.
Weeks? I love an optimist!
gordonthemoron
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whereas, if we leave it all to the oil companies, we will all be living in caves with the economy in ruins
The agony of choice....
I'm sure the green movement would argue that if you keep depleting natural resources at an unsustainable rate, chucking pollution into the air, thereby leaving the earth's eco systems in permanent irreversible decline, on which we all depend, especially for food, you'll be living in caves anyway - especially with some of the weapons we have.
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You need to check again, it went down last night at 18.00 GMT by 1p but hasn't been passed on by any of the petrol stations in this area that I've seen last night and this morning. I fully expect it to rise another few pence in the next week or so to cover the hike in costs of extracting North Sea oil/gas and the continuing problems in Libya.
WatcherZero
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Its still scheduled to go up 5p in August 2012, not exactly weeks but still rising a net 4p in this budget.
ralphchadkirk
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Not sure the budget has done anything to help then!
Nice idea, yes. But public transport isn't always feasible, even in this day and age. I'm lucky enough to live in a fantastic area for public transport, but even I have some places (eg Stirling, Hamilton, East Kilbride) where public transport is not a feasible alternative to the car. When you move further afield, to the more rural parts of Scotland, the public transport network is so skeletal it's barely usable. And there's even plenty of places (the North West Highlands comes to mind) where there's no public transport whatsoever. And, perversely, the fuel prices in the most rural of areas (where people rely on cars the most) are by far the highest in the UK. On that note, I'm very disappointed that the budget did not include, or even propose, a fuel duty regulator to ensure that rural areas get a fairer deal on fuel.
As for the budget, well it has done something to help in the short term. The drop just now is necessary, because fuel prices have soared in the past few weeks and months. All the duty rises in the budget have already been announced, and are being postponed. Therefore, the effect is a net 1p decrease on was going to happen before the budget and a delay on future proposed increases (that were going to happen anyway).
strange6
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More and more companies are going to the continental shift system these days so a car is a must
What's wrong with cycling?
strange6
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Nothing at all if you live quite close. But some people work miles away from home! And after a 12 hour long shift, you don't want to be cycling! hahaha
I'd have to check but I'm sure I read a journal article about the same thing in America, and it found that people in some situations actually travelled more when the price of gasoline over there went up by a few cents. Certainly startled me when I read it, that's why it sticks in the mind. I'll have a look for it next time I get a moment.
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People are willing to travel further to find a cheaper filling station research shows, thats what you may have seen.
Would be especielly prevalent in rural areas where prices are higher and you have to travel further to find an alternative, for me its not an issue with half a dozen different supermarket petrol stations within two miles.
Nothing at all if you live quite close. But some people work miles away from home! And after a 12 hour long shift, you don't want to be cycling! hahaha
Excactly. I live way too far from work to cycle back, as do my many fellow travellers on the 06:55 to London Kings Cross.
And I would certainly suffer a similar fate if I dared to go through Stevenage at that time!
That is one cause, although the journal I was reading IIRC was about New York. Perhaps there is a perception that as fuel is more expensive, you need to maximise your use of a car even further, and in turn travel more.
What I'd like to see is a much lower rate of tax on petrol/diesel and instead a road pricing scheme brought in. Areas/roads which are more congested and you have to pay more to use them.
strange6
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That would be much the fairest way of revenue raising. No tax on Fuel but pay by the mile depending upon the zone that you're driving in.
You'll breeze that MSc course of yours, mate
That would be much the fairest way of revenue raising. No tax on Fuel but pay by the mile depending upon the zone that you're driving in.
You'll breeze that MSc course of yours, mate
I have a lot of ideas, and have already proven one of them for York (this time it was congestion charging for the station area). However the Lib Dems have in the past few days said that they will not be looking at congestion charging for York in the next Local Transport Plan period (no. 3). Main reason - political suicide.
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