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19th July Lockdown Easing - Observations and Compliance

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I went to a different church this morning and, out of approximately 75-100 people in the service, I was the only one without a mask. I also had to sign in and put all my personal details on a sheet that could be read by anyone else. Not sure if it was the lack of a mask, or some other reason, but nobody else sat in the same row as I did!

I haven't been impressed by the slow pace of change at churches. Considering that the church itself was formed out of rule breaking and non-compliance, it really is rather disappointing.
From experience discussing it around a couple of churches, there are really mixed feelings amongst congregation members, and caution is the dominant mood. I think that will remain the case for as long mask wearing remains government advice.

It's worth note that in one of these churches, the mood for relaxation will not have been helped by a prominent member of the congregation having a lengthy stay in ICU because of Covid (and in this case, there is no doubt about "of" rather than "with"), despite being fully vaccinated and careful in how they led their life.
 
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A sign in a glass panel of the door to a local independent estate agent warns ‘No mask. No entry’.
Maybe they’ve forgotten it’s there, or maybe they do STILL want to bar the unmasked.

I’m tempted to attach a sticker of my own, with ‘No problem. No commission’ on it…
 

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Good question! Surely there aren't still people out there who believe it will magically disappear?

Australia and New Zealand are under that sad illusion, no doubt theres a fair few in The U.K. who believe so too
They are so poor at the vaccination side of things though. Only 25% I think I read earlier. Onwards & upwards here :)
True.

but even with vaccines people are hell bent on keeping restrictions and playing it safe sadly
 

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Automated announcements on the cross city line up to Lichfield are still telling people to wear a face covering, same as when they were legally required.

The fact it’s incorrect is only mildly irritating. The fact it plays after every god-damn station call (so every 2 minutes) is what begins to grate!

They’ve had a month to sort out a replacement announcement - arguably longer since the end of the mandate was publicised in advance - this smells to me like WMT laziness rather than any ulterior motive.
 

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My experience of the TfL bus to Heathrow, no one was wearing masks earlier this week

Same with TfL rail from West Drayton

Yet had you continued into the Airport and Boarded a Plane you would have found almost 100% compliance I suspect.

What is it about Airports and Aircraft that differentiates them from other transport hubs / modes - is it a more regulated environment or armed police that encourage compliance ?

Will they be the last bastion of "maskists" to fall ?
 

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Yet had you continued into the Airport and Boarded a Plane you would have found almost 100% compliance I suspect.

What is it about Airports and Aircraft that differentiates them from other transport hubs / modes - is it a more regulated environment or armed police that encourage compliance ?

Will they be the last bastion of "maskists" to fall ?

Probably because throughout all this, foreign travel, especially by air has been held up by the media as the cause of the spread, so airlines will go out of their way to make it as safe as possible. Agree or disagree, they have been scapegoated, so expect masks to remain on airlines for a long time to come. They want to be seen to be as safe as possible. It wasn't long ago (certainly this year) that one of the Middle East airlines had their crew in full-body suits, face masks, gloves, and face shields, and all passengers had to wear masks and face shields too, they were supplied onboard. Wearing at least the face shield for the whole flight was non-negotiable if you wanted to fly and it had to remain on the whole flight, including transfers. It's been relaxed now to just a mask.
 

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Probably because throughout all this, foreign travel, especially by air has been held up by the media as the cause of the spread, so airlines will go out of their way to make it as safe as possible. Agree or disagree, they have been scapegoated, so expect masks to remain on airlines for a long time to come. They want to be seen to be as safe as possible. It wasn't long ago (certainly this year) that one of the Middle East airlines had their crew in full-body suits, face masks, gloves, and face shields, and all passengers had to wear masks and face shields too, they were supplied onboard. Wearing at least the face shield for the whole flight was non-negotiable if you wanted to fly and it had to remain on the whole flight, including transfers. It's been relaxed now to just a mask.

Surely in reality an aircraft is about as safe an enclosed space as you can get? I understand why they want to be seen to be doing something (that old chestnut!) but it’s all theatrics.
 

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Surely in reality an aircraft is about as safe an enclosed space as you can get? I understand why they want to be seen to be doing something (that old chestnut!) but it’s all theatrics.

I agree, I've traveled by air during the pandemic and it's been just the same as before, only with masks, I felt no fear whatsoever. But it's the media who have driven it. They don't want to be blamed for an outbreak being linked to a flight. If they enforce the government guidelines with rigor then they can say they did as they were told and so did everyone else on board, so it's not their fault someone caught it on a plane. That's said I don't think there has been any solid proof that an aircraft cabin has actually been responsible for any clusters.

Look how many stories came out last summer about passengers moaning about no social distancing on aircraft, no masks and no crew enforcement. They are now in overdrive mode so they don't get that negative press again. It'll fade away eventually, but I would expect it until at least this time next year.
 

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Yet had you continued into the Airport and Boarded a Plane you would have found almost 100% compliance I suspect.

What is it about Airports and Aircraft that differentiates them from other transport hubs / modes - is it a more regulated environment or armed police that encourage compliance ?

Will they be the last bastion of "maskists" to fall ?
Maybe because it is actually law on planes? And if you don't comply you'll be dragged off. (And all the reasons above). Added to the fact that some people don't think it's worth it to start a riot in an airport because they have to wear a flimsy piece of cloth over their mouth. This is because they believe that it isn't a sign of an authoritarian dictatorship that wants to kill them and track them all down- they know Google and amazon have the stalking thing covered :D (added to the taking over the world in the next 30 years)
 

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Yet had you continued into the Airport and Boarded a Plane you would have found almost 100% compliance I suspect.

What is it about Airports and Aircraft that differentiates them from other transport hubs / modes - is it a more regulated environment or armed police that encourage compliance ?

Will they be the last bastion of "maskists" to fall ?
Because enforcement on planes has actual teeth – if you don’t comply in the airport/before takeoff you’ll be offloaded, and if you break the rules in the air, the police will arrest on arrival anyone whom the aircraft crew point out and say was causing a disruption.
 

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Because enforcement on planes has actual teeth – if you don’t comply in the airport/before takeoff you’ll be offloaded, and if you break the rules in the air, the police will arrest on arrival anyone whom the aircraft crew point out and say was causing a disruption.

I have been in 2 uk airports this month and didn't wear a mask.

On my flights I've had 1 that kept seat belt sign on for the 1.5hr flight and you had to press the call button to use the toilet (its then a free for all when disembarking).

Another airline keeps you seated on arrival and you exit the aircraft row by row
 

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I have been in 2 uk airports this month and didn't wear a mask.

On my flights I've had 1 that kept seat belt sign on for the 1.5hr flight and you had to press the call button to use the toilet (its then a free for all when disembarking).

Another airline keeps you seated on arrival and you exit the aircraft row by row

Did you wear a mask onboard ?
 

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Rochester station still has a 'only travel for work or legally permitted essential reasons' sign on the main entrance door!

I think we're going to be stuck with outdated signage for years to come :-/
 

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Rochester station still has a 'only travel for work or legally permitted essential reasons' sign on the main entrance door!

I think we're going to be stuck with outdated signage for years to come :-/

There’s even “keep your distance 2 metres” signs plastered all over Brompton Road disused station on the Piccadilly Line. Goodness knows how that’s happened, can only thing it was done for the “benefit” of contractors working there. They will quite possibly be there for decades, and no doubt a talking point for anyone fortunate enough to be able to visit - “oh look there’s a reminder of the year the world went mad”.
 

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When I wasn't eating or drinking yes. Its a condition of travel with the airlines I used

It makes a nonsense of wearing a mask if it can be removed to eat or drink. Does anybody else find that ruling to be absurd? Or did I miss the agreement we signed with the virus that it stays away whilst we're eating or drinking?
 

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It makes a nonsense of wearing a mask if it can be removed to eat or drink. Does anybody else find that ruling to be absurd? Or did I miss the agreement we signed with the virus that it stays away whilst we're eating or drinking?

It is nonsense indeed. But it meant Ryanair made a bit of extra money out of me the other day as I ensured I always had a glass of wine in my hand to keep my mask off.

Considering the testing required to get on a plane to the UK, plus the vaccination certificates, plus the air filtration in place, masks on planes are utter nonsense, so I'll happily bend the rules as far as I can.
 

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It makes a nonsense of wearing a mask if it can be removed to eat or drink. Does anybody else find that ruling to be absurd? Or did I miss the agreement we signed with the virus that it stays away whilst we're eating or drinking?

The absurd thing is having to wearing the mask in the first place !!
 

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It makes a nonsense of wearing a mask if it can be removed to eat or drink. Does anybody else find that ruling to be absurd? Or did I miss the agreement we signed with the virus that it stays away whilst we're eating or drinking?
The ruling is absurd when you consider how masks are used in medical scenarios to be of any use at all. But its not about public health, its a behavioural measure. A muzzle to remind us there is a pandemic going on. I know some on here object to the use of this description for their precious things, but if you think about it muzzles are often used on dogs to train behavioural patterns, so I think it is entirely appropriate.
 

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It makes a nonsense of wearing a mask if it can be removed to eat or drink. Does anybody else find that ruling to be absurd? Or did I miss the agreement we signed with the virus that it stays away whilst we're eating or drinking?
I haven't followed the detail, but it was reported that Delta and other US airlines were enforcing a rule that made you replace your mask between bites/sips.
This was domestic US flights.

The airlines generally are in a bad way and are doing anything they can to drum up custom and avoid deferrals/cancellations.
Mask-wearing is one way of keeping the bookings of cautious/scared passengers.
 

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I haven't followed the detail, but it was reported that Delta and other US airlines were enforcing a rule that made you replace your mask between bites/sips.
This was domestic US flights.
Constantly touching and fiddling with masks. What could possibly go wrong?
 

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It's worked the opposite way for me. No travel until they remove the unnecessary restrictions!
Yep they haven't worked out that it makes millions of us not want to use them and I haven't.

Its odd as surely the most worried wouldn't be travelling so who are they pandering to? Share holder dividends might be the sway in the end
 

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It makes a nonsense of wearing a mask if it can be removed to eat or drink. Does anybody else find that ruling to be absurd? Or did I miss the agreement we signed with the virus that it stays away whilst we're eating or drinking?
Yes it is nonsense if viewed in a scientific context, but I will answer this in the mask effectiveness thread as it's more on topic there.

I was in Switzerland recently and everyone was wearing masks on trains and in shops, generally of the flimsy loose fitting ineffective kind but they are not required on station platforms and people generally took the masks off as soon as they could.

Other than masks there would be no real evidence of any Covid measures; many countries I have been to in the past year are like that. Few if any announcements, few if any signs, few if any screens. People just getting on with life, and getting close to each other.

In the UK it is rather different and I still observe some people practising social distancing and there are still various signs up at numerous places.

On the subject of masks in the UK, it was very pleasing to see the majority of passengers in my carriage on the Victoria line not wearing them, this was around 1340 on a weekday, at a time when mask wearing on the tube is usually high.

My journey on LNER got off to a bad start when the Guard made a draconian announcement, but the Guard was not seen throughout the entire trip. No-one was sat near me in 1st but I walked through the train to reach the optimal exit at York and I observed that fewer than half the passengers were wearing masks, despite the appalling announcement. This was pleasing to see. It was not uniform though; clearly many people are looking for cues from others. For example one carriage had the majority wearing masks but the next one had the vast majority not wearing them. Another one was about 50/50 but with a transition from nearly all mask wearers to nearly all non wearers about half way down the coach.

I am on LNER again today and I am pleased to report I have not heard a single announcement about masks, which is great. I am not sure how any people near me are wearing them or not as it is a busy train so I am not going to walk down it, but I will definitely do a walkthrough on my train back this evening and report back.

The airlines generally are in a bad way and are doing anything they can to drum up custom and avoid deferrals/cancellations.
Mask-wearing is one way of keeping the bookings of cautious/scared passengers.
Mask wearing puts me off; if there is a choice of carrier or mode I will be choosing the one that does not require masks.

The first airlines to drop the requirements have a good chance of getting my custom, though I do prefer to take trains over flying where at all possible. It will be interesting to see what happens with Eurostar too.
 
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