So I guess it’s the same quality as the Bakerloo line renovations. But thinking about it a renovated Bakerloo line just has led lights grab poles added by does and wheelchair space added in 2nd carriage. I have seen a few videos with dot matrix added to the train but haven’t seen it in real life. More or less the same has been done to renovated central line trains add the motor and dot matrix display, but we were made to think it was a big thing.
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Snow1964
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Whilst focus today has been on regional transport improvements, DfT has sneaked out RVAR exception updates for Central line and Waterloo & City
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Basically TfL want an extra 7 years exemption extension to 2032, originally applied for in 2018 expiring 2025, enable them to complete CLIP work by 2024. However because they have failed to complete the work during exemption period, now requesting massive extension. Rather cheekily the reason given was Covid pandemic, and train deterioration (although why that justifies a 7 year extension is beyond me, as pandemic delays generally taken as 15-18 months).
Some items they are requesting indefinite exemption, because it would be difficult and cost money to modify to comply.
RVAR 2010 exemption: London Underground Limited Central line
Seeks views on the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (RVAR) exemption request by London Underground Limited in respect of the Central line.
RVAR 2010 exemption: London Underground Limited Waterloo & City line
Seeks views on the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (RVAR) exemption request by London Underground Limited in respect of the Waterloo & City line.
Basically TfL want an extra 7 years exemption extension to 2032, originally applied for in 2018 expiring 2025, enable them to complete CLIP work by 2024. However because they have failed to complete the work during exemption period, now requesting massive extension. Rather cheekily the reason given was Covid pandemic, and train deterioration (although why that justifies a 7 year extension is beyond me, as pandemic delays generally taken as 15-18 months).
Some items they are requesting indefinite exemption, because it would be difficult and cost money to modify to comply.
Mikey C
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SEVEN more years to finish the CLIP programme? By the time they finish, the 92s will be ready for the scrapyard!Whilst focus today has been on regional transport improvements, DfT has sneaked out RVAR exception updates for Central line and Waterloo & City
RVAR 2010 exemption: London Underground Limited Central line
Seeks views on the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (RVAR) exemption request by London Underground Limited in respect of the Central line.
RVAR 2010 exemption: London Underground Limited Waterloo & City line
Seeks views on the Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (RVAR) exemption request by London Underground Limited in respect of the Waterloo & City line.
Basically TfL want an extra 7 years exemption extension to 2032, originally applied for in 2018 expiring 2025, enable them to complete CLIP work by 2024. However because they have failed to complete the work during exemption period, now requesting massive extension. Rather cheekily the reason given was Covid pandemic, and train deterioration (although why that justifies a 7 year extension is beyond me, as pandemic delays generally taken as 15-18 months).
Some items they are requesting indefinite exemption, because it would be difficult and cost money to modify to comply.
boiledbeans2
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Declaring 7 years comes as a great surprise, as it's obviously too short.
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Anyway, I LOLed at one of the photos used in the article:
Accurate representation of the current fleet.
D365
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’Suit’ in what way..?
Nym
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The incredibly special and unreliable chopper sync fibre optics?
The brushes that eat themselves?
The old gearboxes that vibrate themselves to pieces?
The special bolts that are around £780 each when I last checked?
The lovely lovely flashovers?
They just suit the aesthetics much better. Nothing logical. The ac motors though practical and needed spoil the retro futuristic vibe of the 1992 stock imo. They make the train look more dated, not it a worn out way, but in a way that the motors don’t sound like they were built for the train and look added on. The same thing can be said for the added window frames.
I understand they are needed for practical reasons though.
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As I responded the way they suit the 92 stock is in a subjective way, not practical way.
It sometimes blows peoples' minds on this forum that one can like something for reasons other than 'practicalities'.
They're reacting based on a longstanding trend of a certain sort of people seriously arguing the toss, based on nothing but guesswork & wishful thinking.
Whether or not such a reaction is justified is debatable, but it's not "blowing their minds" and it's a bit sensationalist to suggest that.
What? You can't really see the motors, and they don't have a significant (or really noticeable) effect on the aesthetics of the 1992 stock. Am I missing something? I understand where you're coming from with the window frames and the auditory experience, but not the motor's aesthetics. That's one of the 'invisible' bits of the upgrade.
RacsoMoquette
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Can somebody explain what that intermittent noise that can be heard on the 1992TS when coasting and going at low speed and stationary?
It is comparable to an irregular note that can be heard starting and restarting; it is audible at the beginning of this video.
This noise can also be heard before the train accelerates after prolonged dwell times, a sort of high-pitched noise before the DC hum.
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boiledbeans2
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Can you list a few timestamps from the video? I'm not sure what sound you're referring to.
RacsoMoquette
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The Particular sound that I was referring to is the subtle though distinctive, noise that these trains emit from when starting from prolonged station stops, it is a sort of brief low to high note, and sometime scan be heard intermittently at low speed. CAN BE HEARD AT: 0:07
Sounds like it could be a motor or power electronics cooling fan starting.
Nym
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Chopper case cooling fans.
notverydeep
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CLIP train 1, that is to say the first train into the CLIP programme back in 2019 I think has now been transferred to Ruislip following the completion of all the modifications to bring it up to the same specification as the 'production' CLIP trains 3 and 4 that have already entered passenger service. CLIP train 1 was originally one of the project prototypes, used for design and testing some, but not all of the systems being modified. It spent some of the early part of the project receiving modifications at what was then Bombardier's Derby Litchurch Lane works.
It will now undergo the normal maintenance exams it will be due prior to entering passenger service. This work will be done at Ruislip Depot. I can't remember which units this set consists of (it is one of two possible sets in the list I have). I'll check the car numbers and add these to the thread next week, if no one beats me to it!
It will now undergo the normal maintenance exams it will be due prior to entering passenger service. This work will be done at Ruislip Depot. I can't remember which units this set consists of (it is one of two possible sets in the list I have). I'll check the car numbers and add these to the thread next week, if no one beats me to it!
bluegoblin7
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Yep, that’s the one.
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Thanks @bluegoblin7 saves me trying to remember to look it up on Monday!
I did the maths once and given the speed of delivery it will take seven years get through all of the trains, and that's if everything goes to plan. You need to be patient!
My earlier post:
"So if they're aiming for a 50 day turnaround time for each train, and I presume there will be 2 that can be worked on at once, presumably we'll be seeing a new train every 25 days. That sounds fairly swift but on that trajectory it will take 7 years to get through all 85 trains. That's a long time.
So some of these 92 stock have got a long way to go yet until they get refurbished."
I believe the Acton works (where the "core" of the work is planned to be done) has capacity for 4 or 5 trains.
However they still have to streamline/productionize the work process so the 50 day turn around time may be under review, together with the number of trains that can be in the upgrade process (also allowing a couple of weeks prep + 1 month post refurb/recommissioning)
However they still have to streamline/productionize the work process so the 50 day turn around time may be under review, together with the number of trains that can be in the upgrade process (also allowing a couple of weeks prep + 1 month post refurb/recommissioning)
Sad Sprinter
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Not in a hurry, I love the trains as they are. Although they were perfect before their “refresh”.
By the time the last refurbished unit rolls out of Acton, the first one will need doing again!
Yes. Expect 2 further trains to be in service by the end of this year (Leading car nos: 1: 91111-91263 & 2: 91155-91331)
Ah, right. So there are trains being worked on now? Because I thought there hadn't been any new units refurbed since the original units.