It would be possible as long as they limited the networker turbos to 75 mph if there is a sprinter on the back, if it was a express sprinter they could still do 90mph
Yes, therefore it is possible for the two units to work in unison, as they both use BSI couplers, however for practicality purposes I find it unlikely as the driver shall require to be qualified on both the sprinters and the networker turbos, in addition there are train to train train gangways on the sprinters and not on the networker turbos.
Not possible. As Rob correctly said, the pins are wired differently so they cannot couple together.
Having gangways or not isn’t really a reason not to work in multiple. It’s done routinely all over the country with other DMU classes - such as 170s and 158s.
It's definitely possible as the same mods have just been done to the four 172/0s.
Wasn’t that particular “wheeze” more a class 159 thing? Not saying the turbos aren’t differently wired….
Oh yes I'd forgotten about them. They are /1s though.
They are, but whatever number they are, the point is that the re-wiring can be done.
And, of course, the ex-TPE 170/3s were rewired to be compatible with the rest of the Chiltern fleet.
Sorry if I caused I miss understanding however I meant everything I said after they had been re-wired which as other uses have said is possible
Happened for a good number of years on the Western anyway, with the 142s & 143s + 150 / 153 / 158 and later 150/1 + 150/2 / 153 & 158.
The 159s always had the standard Sprinter set-up, didn't they? Only the Turbos had the wiring difference, presumably a manager on the Thames Valley had a degree of suspicion towards their Regional Railways counterpart!
That’s not correct. 16x units worked down the Cotswold Line and would encounter 15x around Worcester. Indeed there was an agreement between RR and NSE to cross-resource some workings.
ive definitely seen the guard open the doors on 166s before on Devon metro services, and it was done so from the rear set of doors
I thought that is only at short platforms when they open the local door only and all passengers have to board and alight through the local door? Is this what you are referring to or have you seen a Guard on the 165/166 trains release all of the doors of the train?
At request stops (or at least some of them), even if the platform is long enough for more than 1 carriage, the guard only opens one door at the front for those to get on/off, which certainly applies to the Heart of Wessex line, having seen it first hand.
The time I saw it happen, they released all the doors, the times it happened were at Torre & Dawlish Warren, so it's definitely not a short platform only thing
Interesting. I wonder if it has changed then. I thought on the 165/166 the policy was always that the Driver opens and the Guard closes (except where it is local door only due to a short platform) but that must have changed.
Impossible. The local door controls on Turbos have no facility for the guard to open all doors. The release buttons in the cabs are only energised in the cab from which it is being driven hence only the driver can release all doors. What you may have seen is the guard keying in at a local door before the driver has released the doors. Once released by the driver the guard then closes all doors from the local door panel.
That is interesting to hear. I have not seen the inside of the panels since they were fitted. So the saloon panels on a 165/166 have local door controls to open and close the local doors but no door release buttons for all of the doors? Are they the only trains in the UK like this?
Ah yes, the aborted Waterloo - Exeter DMUs (171?). The 159s were (and still are) a good alternative.
Correct. Not the only train, as technically what you have is a simple 'local door' function. Class 180 comes to mind; a guard can key into a door panel and open just that door, with the only facility to release all doors being from the driving cab.
