1 car train packed full

[badger1badger]

Just on the 6.27 am new pudsey to leeds

Is there really any need to have a 1 car train on

Every seat is taken standing down the aisles and the vestibule had 6 people standing

Comments ?

 

[Nym]

Just on the 6.27 am new pudsey to leeds

Is there really any need to have a 1 car train on

Every seat is taken standing down the aisles and the vestibule had 6 people standing

Comments ?

If that's when it arrived at Leeds I think they got the size of train just right...

 

[MCR247]

Every seat is taken standing down the aisles and the vestibule had 6 people standing

Ooh that does sound bad! :roll:

 

[David Barrett]

An everyday and quite widely scattered story of single 153 operation throughout the system. It is apparently tolerable in rural districts but not urban for some reason.

 

[bb21]

Is that the case everyday or is it a one-off? If a one-off there could have been a unit failure and the 153 was all that was available. Better utilising that than running no service at all.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Well I caught the 0804 Radyr to Coryton service this morning. Every seat was taken, it was full and standing and the vestibules were packed too. And that was a 153 too.

Wish my train was similarly loaded to the description of the OP's!!

 

[sprinterguy]

Is that the case everyday or is it a one-off?

Booked for a single 153 each day, I believe.

 

[SeanG]

Obviously Badger1Badger would prefer either the royal train or to walk there himself, so that he would not have to be in contact with other people

 

[Maybe]

Perhaps look for an alternative method of transport. One thing that makes me laugh about packed trains is that everybody is so quick to moan when they don't have a seat but yet they still choose to get on. I used to have this discussion numerous times of day. If the railway was a 'plane' which so many people like to use as a comparison, you would have to specifically book a particular journey, once the seats where full they where full, and the hassle free approach of just turning up and getting on would be long gone.

 

[theblackwatch]

6 people standing is hardly a lot - imagine, if there'd been 6 less passengers, everyone would have a seat! There are a lot of services where standing capacity is much higher that the 8-9% of this train.

 

[Zoidberg]

6 people standing is hardly a lot - imagine, if there'd been 6 less passengers, everyone would have a seat! There are a lot of services where standing capacity is much higher that the 8-9% of this train.

From the OP, six was the number standing in the vestibule - the aisles were reportedly full of standing passengers, too. Maybe that should be 'aisle'.

 

[caliwag]

Haven't been there for a year, but try the Truro to Falmouth 153s around 5pm...stuffed to the gunnels with at least 30 standing. Wasn't even an event at Falmouth. This is after the introduction of two trains an hour as well!
Needless to say there was no ticket checking taking place due to pretty regular attention to the doors...luckily it's a fairly short journey.
OK I know the reasons and I don't blame FGW, suppose I could blame Daft but that gets you nowhere!

 

[TEW]

Both the Falmouth line diagrams have been 2-carriages for a while now, 1 150 and 1 2x153. One of the diagrams had been a 2-car for a while, the other was strengthened as as a result of leasing the two toiletless 150 carriages.

 

[David Barrett]

16.45 Newark North Gate (17.23 Lincoln) to Grimsby Town likewise, there have even been extreme cases reported of passengers being refused entry at Lincoln.

 

[caliwag]

Both the Falmouth line diagrams have been 2-carriages for a while now, 1 150 and 1 2x153. One of the diagrams had been a 2-car for a while, the other was strengthened as as a result of leasing the two toiletless 150 carriages.

Excellent, thanks TEW, look forward to my next visit. Success of the University I guess!

 

[Oswyntail]

If that's when it arrived at Leeds I think they got the size of train just right...

Obviously Badger1Badger would prefer either the royal train or to walk there himself, so that he would not have to be in contact with other people

Perhaps look for an alternative method of transport...

Such helpful and informative replies.There may, of course, be 1001 reasons why this train is full, but:-
a) It does sound as if it might be overloaded, and hence dangerous, so not particularly good for passengers
b) There would appear little flexibility to provide for growth in demand. Again, 1001 reasons, but not good business management. It is, IMHO, a cop out simply to blame DfT for lack of investment in stock.

 

[David Barrett]

It is, IMHO, a cop out simply to blame DfT for lack of investment in stock.

Funny that this should be mentioned, it is generally what E.M.T. said a while back, actually the H.L.O.S. was used as an excuse but they might just as well have said that a big boy did it and ran away although that might have had everybody rolling in the aisles, provided that there weren't too many standees that is.

 

[PHILIPE]

Perhaps look for an alternative method of transport. One thing that makes me laugh about packed trains is that everybody is so quick to moan when they don't have a seat but yet they still choose to get on. I used to have this discussion numerous times of day. If the railway was a 'plane' which so many people like to use as a comparison, you would have to specifically book a particular journey, once the seats where full they where full, and the hassle free approach of just turning up and getting on would be long gone.

Also limits for numbers able to stand on a bus even though there may plenty of standing room apparent.

 

[Harbon 1]

I've been on a 153 packed so much the guard let us stand in the rear cab, 6 people in each vestibule is nothing, 3 car 170s have more people stood than that

 

[30907]

Let's assume that the 153 is the booked unit (not entirely likely at the height of the leaf-fall season).

This working appears to combine with an arrival from Harrogate and run ECS to Knaresborough for its next revenue-earning service, for which the combined formation is presumably about right at the moment.

There is certainly stock available at the time (coming off Neville Hill ECS to work later Northern services). So you could use another unit.

Fair enough if there's a 2-car Pacer coming into service - but if instead the ECS off Neville Hill requires 3 or 4 cars not 2 (because it is a commuter working to Sheffield or Manchester), you've incurred a disproportionate extra cost. And probably complicated the carriage and crew workings.

Deciding when a train needs strengthening has always been a difficult balancing judgement. The question is - does the loading (or the Metro specification) require it?

 

[PHILIPE]

Every other train for the rest of the day in it's diagram may be quiet. Sometimes difficult to strike a right balance when diagramming.

 

[dk1]

During School half term greater Anglia where leaving passengers behind due to severe crowding on single 153s across the area. Been the same for years.

 

[mister-sparky]

a one coach train full and standing and you call it busy?

my commute home from London Charing Cross is a TWELVE coach train with every seat full and the aisles full as well EVERY DAY.

people don't know what busy is until they've been on a london peak commuter train...

 

[Oswyntail]

a one coach train full and standing and you call it busy?

my commute home from London Charing Cross is a TWELVE coach train with every seat full and the aisles full as well EVERY DAY.

people don't know what busy is until they've been on a london peak commuter train...

I think that simply means both trains are equally busy, but more passengers are involved in the Smoke

 

[tbtc]

Just on the 6.27 am new pudsey to leeds

There's a problem with services before the morning rush hour, before the full daytime frequency kicks in.

From New Pudsey, there's a...

• 06.27
• 06.56
• 07.11

...and then a roughly fifteen minute service.

(there's an 05.20 to Bradford Interchange, where you can walk to Forster Square and catch a 333, but I think we can safely ignore that)

So no huge surprise that the 06.27 is so busy; its the first service from Halifax, Bradford etc into Leeds.

Similarly, the one "northern" entry in the top ten list of busiest services in the UK (measured by train capacity) is an early morning service from Huddersfield into Leeds - again before the "daytime" frequency kicks in.

(sorry for trying to look at the facts and not just jump to assumptions about Northern/ 153s/ DfT etc)

 

[badger1badger]

If that's when it arrived at Leeds I think they got the size of train just right...

Really ridiculous answer !
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Obviously Badger1Badger would prefer either the royal train or to walk there himself, so that he would not have to be in contact with other people

What a stupid immature response - grow up
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6 people standing is hardly a lot - imagine, if there'd been 6 less passengers, everyone would have a seat! There are a lot of services where standing capacity is much higher that the 8-9% of this train.

Read the post

The aisle was full and the vestibule was 6
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From the OP, six was the number standing in the vestibule - the aisles were reportedly full of standing passengers, too. Maybe that should be 'aisle'.

A real comedian
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a one coach train full and standing and you call it busy?

my commute home from London Charing Cross is a TWELVE coach train with every seat full and the aisles full as well EVERY DAY.

people don't know what busy is until they've been on a london peak commuter train...

And your point

 

[dk1]

a one coach train full and standing and you call it busy?

my commute home from London Charing Cross is a TWELVE coach train with every seat full and the aisles full as well EVERY DAY.

people don't know what busy is until they've been on a london peak commuter train...

Always entertaining to watch passengers on the platform at London Bridge banging on the windows & screaming at others to move down so they can try & have a square inch in the doorway.

 

[Zoidberg]

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Originally Posted by Zoidberg
From the OP, six was the number standing in the vestibule - the aisles were reportedly full of standing passengers, too. Maybe that should be 'aisle'.

A real comedian

I don't understand your comment. 'Aisles' was referred to in respect of a single carriage train and I then wondered if it ought to have been 'aisle' on account of there being only one - 'aisle', that is.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Read the post

The aisle was full and the vestibule was 6

I misread your quote in fairness. I thought you were saying that all seats were taken and that there was just six people standing. In this case, that's not too bad.

If it was full and standing right the way through the aisles then that's quite bad.

But Philipe has a very good point here:

Every other train for the rest of the day in it's diagram may be quiet. Sometimes difficult to strike a right balance when diagramming.

This is very true down my way in Cardiff. I regularly catch the 0804 Radyr to Coryton, which gets into Cardiff Central for 0820. It is full and standing right the way through the train (also just a single 153), and the 1615/1645/1715 return is the same too, but at all other times there's about four people on board.

 

[Rapidash]

Had the same problem with the 1722 from EXC tonight. 200 people trying to get on a delayed single car is....an impressive sight. Thankfully a cleverclogs told the Depot at St Davids to warm up its twin to join when we eventually arrived.

I really would love to know in what universe it was thought sending a single 153 through Exeter at rush hour was a good idea, especially when there was apparently seemingly another one waiting around at EXD in the first place