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I think the public's perception of the strikes is worse than running out of patience. It's weary indifference, while the government couldn't care less. Plenty of trains will run on RMT strike days, passengers will make alternative arrangements if they need to, no new offer will be forthcoming...

Who said anything about the Government negotiating in good faith? Perhaps if the RMT executive were to have put the last offer, their own negotiators had agreed line by line, to their members, those same members may no longer be continuing to lose money hand over fist pursuing fruitless...

That's happening already. All these strikes will achieve is cost RMT members another three days' wages to add to the 28 they've lost in the past twelve months. It barely even makes the news anymore. Sooner or later the government will just impose the changes the RMT could have negotiated and...

Gone quiet? ASLEF announced an overtime ban for six days starting 3 July only today. Lots of trains will still be running if the RMT announce further strike action anyway.

The previous overtime ban didn't seem to have any impact at Avanti who ran a full service regardless so it seems pointless calling it with them.

Some lines are closed between Watford Junction and Euston, while trains between Crewe and Stafford have to divert via Stoke-on-Trent.

Industrial action short of a strike announced on LNER too, where ASLEF drivers will refuse to work overtime from 1 July. https://aslef.org.uk/publications/aslef-industrial-action-avanti-and-lner

Isn't the best strategy in the interim therefore to keep the strike mandate live (as on London Underground) to protect terms and conditions but not continually lose members' money with nothing to show for it?

At some stage perhaps the penny will drop that the offer isn't going to be improved. If the RMT and Aslef are to continue striking regardless, what have the government got to lose by eventually just imposing the changes anyway?

Is "getting closer to what you want" the same deal that Mick Lynch recently described as "a pay offer based on mass job cuts and major attacks on terms and conditions"?

And when this strike action fails to achieve anything, just like all the rest, what next? Another week of lost wages for Glastonbury?

So that's a yes, then? In which case, this week's rest day working and overtime ban is unlikely to have any impact on Avanti.

Haven't Aslef drivers at Avanti been refusing to work rest days and overtime since last summer?

Later clarification? :rolleyes: It's spelt out as clear as day in the agreement that the current dispute would cease following a successful referendum result. It's equally clear about how a new ballot could then be instigated.

And yet the RMT's negotiators, including a member of their national executive committee, had agreed to it.

It can hardly be a ringing endorsement of the RMT's rejection of the RDG offer when the ballot opened on 6 April and the RDG offer was only rejected on 27 April. Members wanting to give the union leverage in negotiations isn't mutually exclusive from hoping that the union might put an offer that...

Section 7 of the agreement explicitly states that a new ballot for action can take place if agreement isn't reached. This hasn't changed. It's categorically untrue to say no further action can take place.

Isn't that essentially what the RMT have been offered and have now rejected without a ballot?

Nothing has been changed by the Government or RDG. Terminating strike action for the first phase of the dispute was in the original agreement, it's not a last-minute addition. Either the RMT are that incompetent it has taken them weeks to read the agreement properly. Or they're being...

It doesn't mean that. The RMT are still free to ballot for industrial action if or when the second phase of negotiations collapses.