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Isn't this essentially what the Government have been offering since April and the RMT have refused to put to their members until now?
- 5% pay rise for 2022. Check.
- No compulsory redundancies for the foreseeable future. Check.
- End of current dispute with the opportunity to re-ballot in a...
To play devil's advocate, where is the incentive for the Government to do that? Rail staff get a pay rise and continue to strike over changes to terms and conditions.
Here's a quick summary of what this strike will achieve:
- Cost drivers two days' wages.
Er, that's it. This latest action is as futile and pointless as it was laughably predictable.
The RMT pulled the plug on the offer with a week to go in the last ballot, having requested members back them in the ballot to give them a strong mandate for negotiations in the next stage. In those circumstances, the turnout in the ballot can hardly be considered a referendum on the offer...
I think that was never really serious, just something to throw into the mix and withdraw so the RDG could say they'd made concessions. It may be the same with the proposals to shut ticket offices at the busiest stations. Announce the likes of Euston ticket office will remain open so some...
Isn't this essentially what the RDG offered in April and the RMT rejected? That included a 5% pay rise for 2022/23, no compulsory redundancies, and an end to the current dispute with the chance to re-ballot after three months of negotiations on changes like ticket office closures etc.
Having...
30 days on strike. What have the RMT executive actually achieved other than cost their members a fortune, rejected deals reached by their own negotiating team, driven passengers away from the railway, and ultimately overplayed their hand to the point of irrelevance? Yet still it's like groundhog...
Several TOCs are seeing no impact to timetables from the overtime ban. If you're travelling with Avanti, for example, the normal timetable will be in operation. I wouldn't worry about it.
The opposite is more likely the case. The unions have overplayed their trump card to such an extent that people are now well used to working round the disruption.
Zero cancellations on Avanti so far today with no changes to the timetable since the overtime ban was announced. Does that sound like a nice win for ASLEF too?
I've just come to the end of the first twelve months with Club Avanti and received an email saying:
Thresholds listed for the second year are the same as the first. Nine qualifying journeys is a free standard premium return and 21 qualifying journeys is a free first class return.
Avanti typically run one train per hour from Euston to Glasgow, Birmingham and Liverpool and two per hour to Manchester on RMT strike days, though first trains depart slightly later than usual and last trains depart mid to late afternoon (early afternoon for Glasgow).
If negotiation requires flexibility on both sides, would you care to give an example of how the RMT have given a single concession in talks so far? The RMT's idea of negotiation is capitulation to their demands. The two sides are as intransigent as each other.
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