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Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/battery-cl-802-trial-tri-mode.212331/ It ticked a box six years ago and went away. A proof of concept actually proves the concept and moves us forward.

It is about time we had a decent trial of battery tech following the timid box ticking of IPEMU. But Newbury to Penzance and back does feel like a moonshot! There must be lots of relatively low mileage urban diesel duties that regularly come under OLE while you can get buses with 350KwH...

The BoE don't count as they are supposed to issue national debt not buy it back from themselves. The fact they are doing so proves there is not some great swell of investors willing to clip coupons at 0.25% for the next 99 years. It will all end in tears.

The only people buying government debt yielding at a fraction of the rate of inflation are pension funds and because their rules say they must. There is no such thing as free money. Reported they are prioritising Northern Powerhouse and Beeching reversal. Of course they could save some real...

Swansea Cardiff is relevant because in Bi-Mode age there is little operational or timetable gain, the case revolves almost entirely around how much CO2 is saved at what cost. Bi-Moding the Voyager fleet would smash that business case out of the park. 1603044566 Sorry but those figures are made...

Unless it is a terminus station it is a common currency.

vs the cost of electrification Swansea to Cardiff which would save a fraction of the emissions, or the cost of a new fleet of Bi-Mode at £2.5m per vehicle?

Over provision must happen more in the SE. There will be plenty of similar cases, but Bat & Ball has 4tph off peak and 130k annual footfall. Emsworth on the West Coastway manages 8tph off peak for 350k footfall.

A new fleet is not required. The existing fleet wanted extending anyway and making them Bi-Mode would have met both needs.

I am not impressed myself. The majority of their large stations already have OLE, as does a very considerable proportion of their route mileage. 1603014714 Outside London most peak trains that don't serve London are undersized. Much work has been undertaken over the years across various...

The infrastructure is so far below spec it is more of a hinderance than a help. If the powers that be want it, the quoted cost will be £17m and the outturn £40m. If they don't, the quoted cost will be £200m, the scheme will die and and nobody will be able to prove any different.

1. So nobody travels from Cleeve to Gloucester, Cheltenham, Cardiff London or Bristol? In it's own right it is one of the biggest settlements in SW England without rail access. 2. Still obsessed with the ones who won't benefit.

Why would you not build a through station just because it wasn't before? You seem to have determined there are low benefits but on what basis? Similarly what evidence is there that a light rail scheme could be done far more cheaply or preserve the footpath which should not be a primary...

That is pretty much it. One potential site as mentioned already is the previous station now occupied by a supermarket and large car park. Please don't get trapped by this mindset that because it isn't on the same scale of HS2 you aren't allowed to change anything that already exists.

I have already said it is less than unlikely to actually happen. But what I won't have is a carousel of specious excuses why it cannot possibly be done. A footpath, a tin shed supermarket, a heritage railway all seem more important or insoluble obstacles to some people than getting a railway...

Again this fallacious argument that nothing must be disturbed, or only by a project as big as HS2. Buildings are changed and removed all the time for infrastructure. Would you deny a through rail connection route between Cleeve, Racecourse, Cheltenham City Centre, Spa and the centre of...

It is called strategic development. HS2 can demolish housing estates, trading estates and tower blocks. A supermarket (in this case) is a large tin shed and an even larger car park. Ample room. We would not have any strategic infrastructure in this country including power stations and airports...

Heavily subsidised bus fares. Free bus travel for over 60s. Free travel for over 65s Free buses for under 11s. Lots of free stuff. He will only loose if a rival promises even more free stuff.

The same route it took before it was closed.

I am afraid you come across as fixated on where people don't work and use that as a justification to not build something that would bring great benefit. Cheltenham is not unique in having out of town employment but certainly would be if you are suggesting it doesn't have a lot of employment in...