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Well, it was in the fourfoot I guess!

Still poorly I presume? They were already borrowing a GC set weren't they?

Have they got any more or is that the entire fleet killed now? *the 'fuel tank' debacle was HT and not GC, wasn't it?

Oh no, not again!

Well, sort of! Let's do the hypothetical situation thing; you're enjoying your journey home from a game, in high spirits with some decent company. Let's be indulgent and say we're on some oldschool BR-built jalopy with a buffet (we won't specify who's operating it!), rather than Northern's...

I hope that didn't come across as harsh! Some tend, quite understandably, to assume that train tickets is akin to private parking fines etc, and that there will likely be an easy way out of it, a robust appeals process, and so on. They often only realise the severity of things when it's too late...

You had wrongly claimed a Railcard discount to which you weren't entitled, the correct procedure is to purchase a new ticket and this is backed up by law. Whilst it might not be agreeable, it is what it is. The amount is owed, and refusal to pay will result in a successful prosecution. My advice...

You've (intentionally, I presume?) misread what's been said. 'Rowdy', meaning loud, objectionable, intimidating. You've defended that numerous times. You appear now to be attempting to put words into people's mouths.

What are we looking at here though, the suggestion that fans are rowdy, or the suggestion that it isn't acceptable?

Enjoy your afternoon ;)8-)

You started off by suggesting that the 'stereotypical' behaviour isn't actually a problem, passengers are wimps who should just put up with it, and staff who have issues with it are all talking rubbish because they're "all in their back cabs" and so wouldn't have the slightest idea what actually...

You're all over the shop with your flailing defence here; put the shovel down for a bit! Clearly, there are those who feel that the stereotypical football crowd rowdy behaviour is perfectly acceptable on a train and sod everybody else (football fans mostly it would appear, quelle surprise!)...

Not ridiculous. Perhaps offensive if you're a football fan, certainly not ridiculous. The 'importance' of somebody's little game of kickabout is many leagues below the right of society in general not to have to tolerate what is very obviously widespread unacceptable conduct every weekend. If...

Yes, you can...

Yes, rowdy fans definitely have a far more accurate and better enlightened view than the staff who have to deal with them. Superbly valuable and accurate input, round of applause.... :rolleyes:

Eh? People get intimidated because loud, boisterous groups of shouting, swearing, alcohol-fuelled people who very obviously have no respect for anybody else around them, is rather intimidating! There will, clearly, never be a forum agreement on this, but I really would challenge those who think...

Yes, definitely going at it all wrong, you're supposed to go with a nazi flag and a large spanner in your pocket :D On a serious note, what I'm on about is the wider issue and associated costs. Fans may well behave once they're in the ground, but the cost to society of getting them there and...

No, it isn't. But it should be. Why is football such a holy grail that everybody else just has to lump it while law and decency takes a back seat to something of zero real-world importance? Genuine question that.

The FA and their clubs should very definitely be held far more liable for the disruption they cause and the enormous cost of dealing with it, yes. Particularly sickening are those games which are known to be highly likely to result in conflict and violence due to particular club rivalries, and...

Sadly they aren't "lunatics", but normal functioning people who simply view their vile behaviour as a staple part of their day out at the footy, such is the abhorrent culture that has built up around the game and continues to linger today. Other sports have fans who get drunk and rowdy, but the...