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For a minute I thought you were going to say you used the first service. ...... :lol:

Murphy's Law. All they need is a letter from the SoS saying, "Get on with it". What's the prob?

But the only benefit is in escaping. It's no faster going home.

Join sixteen of them together and run them around Merseyrail, for ever, and ever, and e v e r .... a n d .. e v e r .......

Bob, there is a point in handing over your membership card.... I regularly get member's discount vouchers and that, I suspect, is where your (& my) divi is going. :D

We can always adjust the constituency boundaries. :o

What is pre-planning? Is that the pipe-dreaming stage? How do you plan before you've planned, or. plan to plan? I'm lost.....

Could they not replace Voyagers under the wires?

Just like the WCML Watford tunnel a couple of weeks ago....

Almost certainly. :wink:

When the Pretendalino did the 13:33 FO Lancaster a few years ago, it matched the Pendolino's timings to Crewe by just cutting out the stop at Rugby IIRC.

It used to have an island platform IIRC. The trains were two or three carriages long. Rounghly similar to LUL Circle or District stock and very similar to the original Mersey Railway electric units that lasted into the fifties. Easily extended tunnel. It's all sandstone but, as sed above, the...

The 390s could do with lower gearing because they spend a lot of time at a speed a good deal less that 125 mph. If so then could the Voyagers keep up? :o

Looks to me like there is spare capacity in St.P HL for a few turnarounds.

I think that would have simply been a southern entrance to Central Station. Too close to be a separate entity. BTW, the Britania Adephi Hotel pictured on that link is actually Central Hall in Renshaw Street. Misinformation.

What? We've already got the brain drain! :D I've been commuting between the north-west and the south-east for over eight years, and quite a few collegues do similar. HS2 will make it slightly quicker that's all, what with several changes at nodes; and you'll still have to walk between Euston...

Oh deary me. what a problem. Trust the Daily Wail. Most of us changed forty years ago. Remember SI units? And, the kmph conversion on cars' speedometers is a precisely accurate conversion. It's the speedo itself that's rubbish. When we change from knots in the air and at sea, that'll be fun...

This controversy makes me wonder if the border is in the right place? Perhaps it should be Offa's Dyke! :o:)

I hope its an opportunity to rethink the whole HS2 Ph2/HS3 thing. Come up with an integrated package that serves all directions and includes as many pop centres as possible. Doubt if I'll ever see it! Added: Better if HS2 went due north from Crewe with a delta junction to an easterly approach...

For Voyagers read Pendolinos. The delta junc. to Golburne spur was an afterthough in the planning. It does absolutely nothing for the northern towns. The main emphsis was to get from Handsacre to Manchester. There's a link back somewhere. "Oh, and we need to connect to the WCML somewhere too...