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Both 6 and 8 mentioned specifically in real time trains as 2T workings today seemed to be a bit of toing and froing to Chester as well as up and down WRX BID

Yes it’s a genuinely big and complicated problem requiring action now. As long as we fundamentally accept that I think it gets us on our way to finding solutions. I also agree with your point about separating short term and specific issues from the bigger picture.

No, I think you just said that and then pretended that I did :D what I do say is that the current way motor traffic operates in countries across the developed world is genuinely unsustainable. Rail and other transport modes and other necessary and substantial changes in society will assist the...

If you believe the current economic/social orthodoxy is doing just fine I think that’s another problem ! The way we all do things is going to have to change.

the HGV boss position you quote here is like what Mandy Rice Davies said about the British establishment when protecting themselves “They would say that wouldn’t they” :lol: it doesn‘t make it correct and what they say isn’t evidence M’lud!

230 Seen at Neston station early afternoon today heading toward Wrexham

Would that be an HGV train then? :lol:

Don’t bring the royals into it please we can do without Von Battenberg logistics!

I agree with you and was pleased to see the thread. Planning for a change in what used to be simply called something like the movement of goods rather than 'logistics" the latter implying a pseudo science whose methods may not be challenged is overdue. Most defenders of the status quo in this...

The substanative advantage of VLR be it low floor urban, or rural “rail bus” is the track itself surely, which is less obtrusive less limiting and less expensive making the civils cheaper and the geographical possibilities more interesting. The Units are the secondary issue here as the routes...

Spot on, condescension and arrogance in abundance, it is plain that narrow Tory party political interest is driving public investment, as we already know that the Towns Fund dumped money overwhelmingly into often prosperous Tory marginal seats that came nowhere in ranking of normal deprivation...

Arrived at Birkenhead North 10 minutes ago!

It’s not is it ?? I hadn’t noticed. You know there is a genuine problem for rigidly orthodox thinkers in that their unshakeable belief in the eternal primacy of the motor car at its present level of usage is immovable. Even it goes down just a few percentage points demand for modal shift will...

Fair questions! I don’t know the answers, but of course this is all speculative! Railheading may go the way of the motor car itself, into history, we don’t know. If it does decline railways will have to innovate. The motorway isn’t that great either, has regular terrible peak jams.

Ellesmere Port to Helsby creates, and or improves access to Ellesmere Port to Warrington (WCML North & South) Ellesmere Port to Runcorn & Liverpool Ellesmere Port to Chester ! If you Wanted to you could do all sorts of things with hybrid units eg EP Helsby Chester Hooton EP Helsby or EP Helsby...

Not sure they were ever used( not recently anyway) the 150’s stayed on the route although there was a plan to use 153’s apparently they used to struggle badly up the bank from Shotton toward Wrexham.

Not BBC style orthodox equivalence I hope ! Cars really are a nuisance now especially for those who addictively use them to go round the corner. It will cost to shift to public transport but I don’t see any sensible alternative and trialing fare reduction/removal is worth a go, some PTE’s...

I see your deliberately selective reductive précis and emulate it! You evidently believe doing nothing about anything is just the job!

I suppose you end up with the same rail problem at Manchester or Llandudno as you have had for years with roads say at Cheshire Oaks near Ellesmere Port and on the A55 to Llandudno, rail used to have these “problems” years ago. A trial is just that you can switch it off if the system can not...

Well we will have to wait and see I suppose! If I think of the queues in the vestibules at Bidston for example comprising passengers all wanting the cross platform interchange on busy Saturdays like a mini Farringdon! I would have thought a spread of doors for egress is advantageous for this...