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DLR B23 Stock (CAF Inneo)

Smod

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A few points:

Apparently there's an issue with sightlines for the platform mirrors for the B23s. At certain times the operators are required to use the controls at the front to start the trains. However, when using the front controls they currently have to use the panels by the doors at all stations to close the doors - and then return to the front to start the train. On busy services (Bank to Lewisham???) I imagine this will have some impact on timekeeping. I gather that this won't be dealt with for some time.

There are currently 4 units in passenger service and earlier comments assume that they are all in daily service at the same time. I think this is often not the case and there's often one train not in service. Whether this is due to minor faults being addressed, a great deal of caution, or something completely different, I don't know.

Regarding the test running of trains, does anyone actually know how this is proceeding and how / when / how often this will deliver further trains to passenger service? 238 recently entered service, and from memory I think this was doing test running last year until the trains were hurriedly withdrawn, so it may have been fairly easy to get it into service. In the 5 weeks since the B23s resumed service, the test running between Stratford International and Beckton has I think involved (by week) 231, 231, 219, 217, 219. So no clear pattern (yet).
 
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A few points:

Apparently there's an issue with sightlines for the platform mirrors for the B23s. At certain times the operators are required to use the controls at the front to start the trains. However, when using the front controls they currently have to use the panels by the doors at all stations to close the doors - and then return to the front to start the train. On busy services (Bank to Lewisham???) I imagine this will have some impact on timekeeping. I gather that this won't be dealt with for some time.

That just seems to describe the current situation with older stock as well. It's noticeable at South Quay southbound platform on the Bank to Lewisham service.
 

Smod

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That just seems to describe the current situation with older stock as well. It's noticeable at South Quay southbound platform on the Bank to Lewisham service.
Actually it's a bit more than that. There are problems for older stock at a few stations with poor sightlines - or no mirrors (Blackwall). For the B23s the instruction as I understand it is not to use the mirrors at all stations. Hence my comment about potential timekeeping issues when the train is being operated from the front.
 

DGP

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Actually it's a bit more than that. There are problems for older stock at a few stations with poor sightlines - or no mirrors (Blackwall). For the B23s the instruction as I understand it is not to use the mirrors at all stations. Hence my comment about potential timekeeping issues when the train is being operated from the front.

Ouch! That would be a pain. From my observations travelling in the "driver's seat" in the B23s, the sightlines appeared to be OK but I guess it doesn't have to be that much different for the visibility of the doors to be affected.
 

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A Freedom of Information Request has indicated timeline for deployment of B23 stock


Long table of dates, but includes

Stratford - Woolwich (presumably all converted) 10 Jan 2027
Bank - Lewisham (first) 10 January 2027
Bank - Lewisham (partial) 31 Jan 2027
Restoration phase 2 (Stratford - Lewisham) 15 Feb 2027
Restoration phase 3a (Canning Town - Beckton peak) 15 Feb 2027
Bank - Lewisham 30 May 2027
Bank - Woolwich (full length) 31 Oct 2027
Bank - Woolwich (B23) 31 Oct 2027
Tower - Beckton (full length) 8 Jan 2028
Tower - Beckton (B23) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Beckton (peak) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Lewisham (full length) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Lewisham (partial B23) 16 Apr 2028
Stratford - Canary (full length) 16 Apr 2928
Stratford - Lewisham (2tpc) 5 Sep 2028
Stratford - Woolwich (2tpc) 31 Mar 2029
Stratford - Woolwich (15tph) 4 Feb 2030
 
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JCO1406

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A Freedom of Information Request has indicated timeline for deployment of B23 stock


Long table of dates, but includes

Stratford - Woolwich (presumably all converted) 10 Jan 2027
Bank - Lewisham (first) 10 January 2027
Bank - Lewisham (partial) 31 Jan 2027
Restoration phase 2 (Stratford - Lewisham) 15 Feb 2027
Restoration phase 3a (Canary W - Beckton peak) 15 Feb 2027
Bank - Lewisham 30 May 2027
Bank - Woolwich (full length) 31 Oct 2027
Bank - Woolwich (B23) 31 Oct 2027
Tower - Beckton (full length) 8 Jan 2028
Tower - Beckton (B23) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Beckton (peak) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Lewisham (full length) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Lewisham (partial B23) 16 Apr 2028
Stratford - Canary (full length) 16 Apr 2928
Stratford - Lewisham (2tpc) 5 Sep 2028
Stratford - Woolwich (2tpc) 31 Mar 2029
Stratford - Woolwich (15tph) 4 Feb 2030
I didn’t know there used to be a Beckton - Canary Wharf service. Either way, Beckton needs extra trains, the current 6tph is not it.
 

Taunton

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I didn’t know there used to be a Beckton - Canary Wharf service. Either way, Beckton needs extra trains, the current 6tph is not it.
It's probably the greatest bottleneck on the DLR at present, particularly eastbound at Canning Town when there is a significant show at Excel, and really the only DLR point where passengers can be unable to board. Compared to Lockdown times, when every 10 minutes there were 3-car trains to both Tower Gateway and to Stratford with genuinely often nobody in them, currently it's just a 2-car Tower Gateway service, a two-thirds capacity reduction.
 

Redistou

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A Freedom of Information Request has indicated timeline for deployment of B23 stock


Long table of dates, but includes

Stratford - Woolwich (presumably all converted) 10 Jan 2027
Bank - Lewisham (first) 10 January 2027
Bank - Lewisham (partial) 31 Jan 2027
Restoration phase 2 (Stratford - Lewisham) 15 Feb 2027
Restoration phase 3a (Canning Town - Beckton peak) 15 Feb 2027
Bank - Lewisham 30 May 2027
Bank - Woolwich (full length) 31 Oct 2027
Bank - Woolwich (B23) 31 Oct 2027
Tower - Beckton (full length) 8 Jan 2028
Tower - Beckton (B23) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Beckton (peak) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Lewisham (full length) 5 Mar 2028
Stratford - Lewisham (partial B23) 16 Apr 2028
Stratford - Canary (full length) 16 Apr 2928
Stratford - Lewisham (2tpc) 5 Sep 2028
Stratford - Woolwich (2tpc) 31 Mar 2029
Stratford - Woolwich (15tph) 4 Feb 2030
I know tpc means trains per cycle, but what does it mean?
 

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