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HST’s in Preservation

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Thank You @Mag_seven

Ahead of this weekends railtour, group stalwart and joint world record holding power car 43159 has been returned to Intercity Executive by UKRL at Loughborough.

I will also update the post at the top of the thread as there has been some recent changes since I made that post!

We’ve been keeping a little secret….

 

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I managed to catch the repainted powercar at Doncaster today. The full set looks superb:

 

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That is nice. I remember when that livery first appeared we were calling it ‘APT livery’. It felt so futuristic. I think the first loco I saw in it was a class 86 at Northampton station, somewhere I have a photo.
 

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Here is 43159 as it was coming into Paddington Platform 1
 

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hello. I am a railroad fanatic living in Korea.

While studying mechanics in high school and junior college, I also watch railroad cars.

I have a question.

I have confirmed that locomotive 43044 is being preserved by 125 Group.

I would like to know if restoration work is currently underway.

Or will this vehicle be scrapped in the future?

I wrote it in Korean and translated it into English using Google Translator. Please understand.
 

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Yes it is planned to fitted with the original Valenta engine


Purchased from Porterbrook, 43044 joined the 125 Group fleet in February 2021 and is currently undergoing works for restoration to Valenta power. On 21st August 2022, 43044 was named ‘Edward Paxman’.
 

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I see. By the way, I looked at the recent photo files, but the restoration stopped. Does it take some time?

Also, I am writing this based on Korean; is the English grammar correct?

A lot of the restoration work is invisible when looking at photos. The internals can take a lot of time and money to restore. Many years may pass yet.

Looking at a picture from August, it doesn’t look as though the body is deteriorating, so I wouldn’t worry.

Roy
 

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I see. By the way, I looked at the recent photo files, but the restoration stopped. Does it take some time?
The restoration has not stopped, indeed it is very much in progress.
 

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A lot of the restoration work is invisible when looking at photos. The internals can take a lot of time and money to restore. Many years may pass yet.

Looking at a picture from August, it doesn’t look as though the body is deteriorating, so I wouldn’t worry.

Roy
Very much this. Whilst a lot of people have simply seen 044 sat outside at Ruddington and Cockshute Yard, Stoke for a number of years, the internals are where the work has been taking place, particularly in having a flywheel made up to couple the Valenta engine and alternator up. This, like much of our HST restoration work is costly, but things are happening in the background all the time across the three groups, be it 125 Group at Bury, 125 Preservation at The Nene and Eastleigh and 125 Heritage at the Colne Valley.

Of course the best way to find out further information is to join the 125 Group as a member.
 
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Very much this. Whilst a lot of people have simply seen 044 sat outside at Ruddington and Cockshute Yard, Stoke for a number of years, the internals are where the work has been taking place, particularly in having a flywheel made up to couple the Valenta engine and alternator up. This, like much of our HST restoration work is costly, but things are happening in the background all the time across the three groups, be it 125 Group at Bury, 125 Preservation at The Nene and Eastleigh and 125 Heritage at the Colne Valley.

Of course the best way to find out further information is to join the 125 Group as a member.
Understood. Also, is vehicle 43190 intended for parts recovery?
 

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Are there plans for any operational HSTs to receive the original headlamp fittings? Its a completely different look, so it'd be great to see.
 

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Are there plans for any operational HSTs to receive the original headlamp fittings? Its a completely different look, so it'd be great to see.
Not going to happen on any 125 Group power car - you can’t go backwards in compliance.
 

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What is it that makes the old units non compliant exactly? Could they not put modern LEDs in the older style fittings?
Why would you? There are sound engineering reasons (reduced water ingress, less damage from objects) for the new style clusters, even before you get to the issue of cost. Are the people who want this prepared to pay for it…
 

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What is it that makes the old units non compliant exactly? Could they not put modern LEDs in the older style fittings?
Group standards have changed for mainline running, requiring the lights to be brighter and clearer. Plus the advances in technology makes 3 head/tail lights redundant with combined head/tail LEDs now largely used everywhere.

Also, from an engineering perspective, the original headlights are rubbish. Rain water, wash water, screen wash, all runs down into the light fitting surround and pools in and around it. Humidity and condensation ruins the fibreglass covers and causes corrosion in places you don’t want it to be, and bird and object strikes often meant they had to be replaced often, which usually means more drill holes into the cab fibreglass moulding and framework - some of the cabs undergoing the 2006-2009 overhauls looked like Swiss Cheese in the end.

Even 43018 has somewhat suffered in this area and that is a static exhibit in Crewe. It’s far better to leave the sealed headlamps in, and modify those accordingly (060 for example has newer brighter lights than its MML days and even the LSL cars are modified from those).
 

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There is a status summary of all HST power cars in this month‘s Railway Magazine and 43190 is listed as a ‘spares doner’.
Very much so. It is engineless but sat on a reasonable pair of bogies with their TMs. As spares become harder to get hold of, it made sense (and was a generous donation from Romic).
 

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There is a status summary of all HST power cars in this month‘s Railway Magazine and 43190 is listed as a ‘spares doner’.
There's a status summary of the 125 Group fleet in every issue of its magazine. By far the best way to know what is going on is to join!
 

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Out of interest, where from and how was the Valenta engine obtained for 43044? Are there more remaining, were any repurposed for other uses as some locomotive power units have been in the past? Though I would have thought most would be worn out hence the replacement.
 

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Out of interest, where from and how was the Valenta engine obtained for 43044? Are there more remaining, were any repurposed for other uses as some locomotive power units have been in the past? Though I would have thought most would be worn out hence the replacement.
I am sure there used to be a page on the 125 group website which explained about the Valenta power units the group has, I recall they have more than 1 and got them when GWR did the MTU fitment program
 

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I am sure there used to be a page on the 125 group website which explained about the Valenta power units the group has, I recall they have more than 1 and got them when GWR did the MTU fitment program
That showed foresight given how far in advance of preserving they must have obtained them. I did look on the website but couldn’t find that information.
 
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Too far from an HST...
What's the deal with 081? I know they started the engine a few years back but is it always going to be static? Would be lovely to have another out on the mainline but that's an expensive ask.
Definitely need to get to Crewe to have a look soon.
 

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